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I think some posters are being a little too hard on Ledlum. The kid is strong as a bull, gives 110%, and can shoot the three. He had a rough game last night trying to battle a beefy Big10 front line with very little help.

Cut the kid some slack, he's a real big piece of this year's team. In fact, if he goes down for any serious length of time, we are in trouble.
He has to learn his game at this level imo. What I like about him is my concern with him was defensively and he’s been fine on D, he’s hard nosed. His offensive rebounding is really good but he can’t finish inside so far; him kicking it out has been the better option than going back up. Shoots the 3 and can drive too. Again he can’t finish off the drive so far; it would be better if he sets up a shot off the dribble, haven’t seen much of that. If he gets a step he’s taking it to the rack every time and it’s been rough getting blocked and stripped. He going to be a key piece but his minutes will be dictated by his mistakes clearly because Pitino pulled him for his bad play.
 
The last thing I’ll say about this loss is we better make sure to get Wilcher 20 minutes against Holy Cross, Sacred Heart, Hofstra, and Fordham. Maybe throw him a start against Sacred Heart. Get him 10+ minutes against everyone else.
I agree quickest guard on the roster that was painfully clear. He’s pretty rough on offense outside of driving to the basket.
 
He’s a 6’6 Dingle. Doesn’t offer much anywhere else but offense. Easier to hide that kind of player at the 3 though.
Problem is you should not have to hide him. He’s got all the physical tools and size that most wings wish they had. Theres guys with less size and athleticism who are monsters on the glass.
 
My guess is Ledlum and Dingle both figure it out and are just fine soon enough. Not only is Dingle gonna have to get used to a different role, the penn system is so unique it’s another adjustment for him. Not having the two exhibitions didn’t help.
 
One more thing about Alleyne…Jordan Hawkins had 27 points tonight and his off to a great start in the NBA as a 3 and D guy. Starting and averaging 13 a game.

Andre Jackson playing 8 mpg for Bucks.
 
I’m not saying they are meaningless because they are far from that, but if you didn’t have the 3 years at vtech (a large sample) and only had the uconn season + the eye test, there would be nothing pointing me in the direction of a good shooter. I love lefties and still, that stroke is uggly. Shoots it almost from under his chin. Where is Larry when you need him. His tape from vtech looks like he had a little more bounce in his game and elevation, I wonder if he ever had an injury.
 
I’m not saying they are meaningless because they are far from that, but if you didn’t have the 3 years at vtech (a large sample) and only had the uconn season + the eye test, there would be nothing pointing me in the direction of a good shooter. I love lefties and still, that stroke is uggly. Shoots it almost from under his chin. Where is Larry when you need him. His tape from vtech looks like he had a little more bounce in his game and elevation, I wonder if he ever had an injury.
That’s what I’m saying looking like the Lonzo shot before the transformation. Alleyne and Zuby are the two guys that have looked worse than expected. Zuby did look better against Michigan and I think he just needs to throw his body around some more and focus on being strong forget about skill stuff for now. Alleyne was on the court for garbage time as a grad transfer.
 
Back to more important matters. While I haven't been to many games in recent years, did the fireworks and pyro take away NIL money for Johnny Thunderbird. The mascot made Malik Boothe look big. What happened to Johnny?!?!?!
 
I’m not saying they are meaningless because they are far from that, but if you didn’t have the 3 years at vtech (a large sample) and only had the uconn season + the eye test, there would be nothing pointing me in the direction of a good shooter. I love lefties and still, that stroke is uggly. Shoots it almost from under his chin. Where is Larry when you need him. His tape from vtech looks like he had a little more bounce in his game and elevation, I wonder if he ever had an injury.
His shot looks nuts…even for a lefty. You can’t take away three years of a guy’s career though😂 We post about Barkley weekly and he only played two years.

Just think he started as a true freshman for an ACC team. Simeon Wilcher was a top 35 recruit and he’s nowhere close to even being a rotation player.

Alleyne be can still get up but he doesn’t get opportunities to show it because of how bad his handle is. He’d need a pass on a break.

The poor kid played behind two NBA players at UConn and they didn’t have a traditional PG to say him up.
 
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He looks fine to me. My problem is his usage and lack of touches. We need to get Daniss off the ball more. I envisioned a split more similar to Jenkins and Clayton last year. That is still my hope for the remainder of the season.
Dingle has played 42 minutes in 2 games, has taken 21 shots, a shot every 2 minutes. He is shooting 9-21, not great, certainly not horrible; 3-9 from 3, again, not great, not horrible.
But in those 42 minutes, he has zero, as in 0, nada, assists. He has 1 rebound. So far he doesn’t appear to move with purpose off the ball and plays very little defense. He looks to me like a player whose muscle memory is to play with the ball or wait until he gets it to do his thing. Not necessarily his fault, maybe that’s the way he has always been utilized, I don’t know.
BTW, between Dingle and Alleyne, they played 40 minutes total against Michigan, were 7-23 from the floor, 4-12 from 3, with not an assist and 1 rebound between them. Not winning stats to say the least.
Ledlum and Jenkins, who according to you played “hero ball” played 49 minutes and took 19 shots between them. Neither played well, no question, but my point is, the only person on this team IMO, who is not getting enough shots is Soriano, who took only 8 and I believe at least 3 of those were off offensive rebounds.
The bottom line is, SJU, played and coached a terrible game but they lost the game on the defensive end, while not playing very cohesively on offense either. They let Burnett and McDaniel each dominate a half with bad, no help, no rotation defense and that was that. You move on and hopefully improve.
 
His shot looks nuts…even for a lefty. You can’t take away three years of a guy’s career though😂 We post about Barkley weekly and he only played two years.

Just think he started as a true freshman for an ACC team. Simeon Wilcher was a top 35 recruit and he’s nowhere close to even being a rotation player.

Alleyne be can still get up but he doesn’t get opportunities to show it because of how bad his handle is. He’d need a pass on a break.

The poor kid played behind two NBA players at UConn and they didn’t have a traditional PG to say him up.
Alleyne can’t create his own shot at all, for the reasons you cite. If open and setup he can shoot though and he also can defend. He will get plenty of minutes and deserve them. The more cohesive the overall offense becomes the more valuable he will become.
 
Well Monday sucked, on Episode 70 we go over why it all went wrong, preaching patience and what needs to be seen in Charleston. The good news is St. John's has a chance to flush this and move on quickly. The bad news is, they basically have 48 hours to watch film, get humbled, and get back to what worked vs Stony Brook. Frank and I are joined by Zach Braziller of the NY post as it was a missed opportunity in front of a packed crowd in Rick Pitino's return to MSG.

If you're traveling to Charleston - this is a nice companion for the trip. Hope to see a lot of you guys down there.



 
His shot looks nuts…even for a lefty. You can’t take away three years of a guy’s career though😂 We post about Barkley weekly and he only played two years.

Just think he started as a true freshman for an ACC team. Simeon Wilcher was a top 35 recruit and he’s nowhere close to even being a rotation player.

Alleyne be can still get up but he doesn’t get opportunities to show it because of how bad his handle is. He’d need a pass on a break.

The poor kid played behind two NBA players at UConn and they didn’t have a traditional PG to say him up.
That poor kid won a National championship lol.

He is a very valuable player to have, I just don’t think he’s the same player he was at Vtech.
 
or Albie Schwartz, Jerry Houston or Carmine Calzonetti. I could go on but what's the point
Jack's got me by a few (not that many, years).

jack fro, do you still go to Birrichino's Italian on 29th/Eight before our night games at MSG? (Gott meet up if you do; great little spot)
 
It’s a 40 minute game not a 17 minute game. Last night was a complete and utter disaster. But, as I said in a previous post, I think this team will improve dramatically and gel as the season goes on. Let’s just hope it doesn’t happen too late where we find ourselves hoping for a BET championship in order to get an NCAA bid.
somewhat agree with Gene, after about the 12 minute mark, I turned to WeathermanNYC and said this game is going the wrong way, and we let lead get to 6-8 points, then made a mini-run to close the gap, but MI was pulling away at that point and got the 10 point lead and it could have been even more.

The second half started even worse and never got better, no runs from us.

The final score was not as lopsided as the game actually was.
 
somewhat agree with Gene, after about the 12 minute mark, I turned to WeathermanNYC and said this game is going the wrong way, and we let lead get to 6-8 points, then made a mini-run to close the gap, but MI was pulling away at that point and got the 10 point lead and it could have been even more.

The second half started even worse and never got better, no runs from us.

The final score was not as lopsided as the game actually was.
There is lopsided and there is lopsided and I agree that was not as close as even the final score; to make a run you need to get stops and I never got the sense we had even a ghost of a chance of stringing together stops. Michigan started the game with a great wide open look and that never changed.
 
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