MICHIGAN (@MSG), Mon., Nov. 13, 6:30p, FS-1

Haven't read any prior posts or articles, recaps ect...so pls forgive me I've being repetitive or better yet ignore me( a skill my players and wife have masters)
1) Spoke with Phil post game and got following ..
He's glad they played them early in season.
Was surprised they didn't run more through Joek
They tried to get RJ...said he will open floor and is a great rebounder for his size
Plan was to get Dug in iso and into lane as much as possiable knowing Rick doesn't love to wing help and leave 3 open. Usually he takes away rim and gives up mid range but they thought Dug could get to rim and did. Emphasized don't take away too much from last night
Also re VJ... nothing changed ...it'll come down to previously discussed
 
mjmaherjr said:
Shouldn't have ordered the Mutton
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I always got mine well done which is probably a sin to Lamb lovers . Once a year was good enough for Mutton Chop.
You could have grabbed a couple of Keen’s Pipes to give out in 114 . It would have taken attention away from the Game .
 
mm52 said:
“We did a good job of putting this team together … but our frontcourt depth is terrible,”

Interesting, because I thought Quinn Slazinski, a PF, was one of his first recruits and then he let him go.

Michigan was so well-balanced that, even if we went small to try to use our speed, they had enough athletes (combined with their size) to stay with us.

Time to forget this and get a win against North Texas in Charleston.
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I think if he could do it over again, he may wish he kept Slazinski, who is averaging 16.5 ppg for WV so far and is exponentially more skilled than Ledlum.

Losing that one player took us from a good shooting team to a less than average shooting team IMO.
 
Marillac2 said:
This team will improve. Pitino will go to more zone as the guys pickup the principles better in January. That will let Soriano stay home in the middle more instead of being caught out at the top of the key hedging.

They will learn one way or another that the best two shots are anything from Dingle and a set shot from Alleyne.

Jenkins and Ledlum will learn that they are secondary players that need to be patient and pick their spots instead of primary scorers or facilitators.

Dingle will get more time to handle the ball and he and Soriano will do well in pick and roll.

Taylor and Luis together will give us a chance to get more offense and still be fairly big at the 3-4.

I don’t think this team has the talent to be a good pressing team even with Pitino and even with 3 months of experience.
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I'm glad you mentioned zone as that thought recently came to me. I hope Pitino switches it up between zone and man, as I know he has done such in the past.
 
sju79# said:
Haven't read any prior posts or articles, recaps ect...so pls forgive me I've being repetitive or better yet ignore me( a skill my players and wife have masters)
1) Spoke with Phil post game and got following ..
He's glad they played them early in season.
Was surprised they didn't run more through Joek
They tried to get RJ...said he will open floor and is a great rebounder for his size
Plan was to get Dug in iso and into lane as much as possiable knowing Rick doesn't love to wing help and leave 3 open. Usually he takes away rim and gives up mid range but they thought Dug could get to rim and did. Emphasized don't take away too much from last night
Also re VJ... nothing changed ...it'll come down to previously discussed
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And good job by Martelli. Many times, they cleared an entire side out and just let McDaniel go by his man. Nobody could stop him. We were picking him up very high, and if stopping the ball continues to be an issue that's an adjustment that can be made.

At the scrimmage Luis looked like the best player on the team. Of course, a scrimmage. I am not putting that on him, but he is clearly a rotation player and any minutes he takes comes from the weakest guys currently getting minutes. He will help, but stuff happens, and we will have to figure there will be other injuries along the way.

Nothing against anyone on the roster but the guy who seems impossible to replace is Soriano. I know Rick likes to motivate but I don't think Joel is a dumb kid and he must have been chuckling every night at the idea that he was fighting for a starting spot.
 
I didn't wade through all the posts, and I know I'm overreacting but here goes.

I kept getting CMA 40 minutes of hell flashbacks watching our ineffective press.

I kept getting Andre Curbello flashbacks watching the selfish me-first offensive play.

I kept getting Addae Wusu flashbacks watching Ledlum's ineffective drives to the rim.

I kept getting '22-'23 flashbacks watching us give up uncontested threes.

I kept getting '22-'23 flashbacks watching us be out of position and failing to rotate on defense.

I kept missing Posh every time Dug drove by Jenkins like he was wearing cement boots.
 
Larry Wright said:
Game kind of reminded me of that Maryland game in Norm’s 3rd or 4th year. Thought we had a decent team finally. Went to Kean’s before game, by time got to my seat Maryland was winning 47-2 or something like that.
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Larry as a Keens regular since the 19070's I can ABSOLUTELY guarantee you the best part of your night last night was Dinner and not the game. Their in-house dry-aged porterhouse and NY Strips are better than Peter Luger's in my humble opinion; plus better atmosphere.
 
Marillac2 said:
I think if he could do it over again, he may wish he kept Slazinski, who is averaging 16.5 ppg for WV so far and is exponentially more skilled than Ledlum.

Losing that one player took us from a good shooting team to a less than average shooting team IMO.
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Slazinski is also playing 34 minutes per game. I think its fair to assume he wanted to play more than 20 mpg his senior year
 
IDRAFT said:
And good job by Martelli. Many times, they cleared an entire side out and just let McDaniel go by his man. Nobody could stop him. We were picking him up very high, and if stopping the ball continues to be an issue that's an adjustment that can be made.

At the scrimmage Luis looked like the best player on the team. Of course, a scrimmage. I am not putting that on him, but he is clearly a rotation player and any minutes he takes comes from the weakest guys currently getting minutes. He will help, but stuff happens, and we will have to figure there will be other injuries along the way.

Nothing against anyone on the roster but the guy who seems impossible to replace is Soriano. I know Rick likes to motivate but I don't think Joel is a dumb kid and he must have been chuckling every night at the idea that he was fighting for a starting spot.
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We also have to be fair to Pitino. He coached a lousy game.

I wrote going in that McDaniel would be the fastest guard we face all year and he’d get by our guards at will, but he’s wild in the lane.

Pitino said in his presser he was surprised how much faster McDaniel was. How? And why was Soriano so far from the basket all game even after you realized how fast McDaniel was? Michigan was literally pulling Soriano out to hedge as their main offense and we did not adjust at all.

And that wholesale substitution at the end of the half of Davis, Traore, Alleyne, etc.? What was the point of that? There was no foul trouble, there was no need to get our starters a rest with the half approaching. Michigan took a close game and made it lopsided during that stretch.
 
Best part of last night meeting eJoyce and Mike MJR at N'Og before the game for IPAs. Meeting Weathermannyc in person finally. Meeting kranmars. Missed seeing Monte (I owe you and Eric a beer).

Being with the 114 Crew and watching a decent first 11 minutes of Basketball.

After that it went down hill fast.
 
kranmars said:
I think there has been an overreaction. I get that everyone was jumping out of their skin waiting for Pitino’s first game at the Garden as SJJ coach. I was too. And the disappointment was palpable.

But we have posters already pinning blame of players, saying this team is in dire straits, and wanting a former point guard back (who decided leave by essentially not doing what the coach asked).

Pitino made no bones about the effort and the efficiency. Both were sorely missing. And he had the starters watch roughly the last 10 minutes as the backups at least tried in an outcome already decided.

Come January, we will be all singing a different tune here. I know this because the coach and his staff will drill every single correction into their heads.

I would rather take this beating now, by a soon to be ranked Michigan, than beat the Incarnate World.
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I get the efficiency missing last night, but there was zero excuse for the effort to be missing. Both the players and the staff have to shoulder the blame for the lack of effort.

Regardless of how disappointed I am in last night, our program is in the best hands that's it's been in, maybe, forever. Let's put last night's loss in the rear view mirror and come back strong this weekend.
 
dk423 said:
Slazinski is also playing 34 minutes per game. I think its fair to assume he wanted to play more than 20 mpg his senior year
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He made a great choice. What does Ledlum do for us in this role, though?

He thinks he’s a shooting guard. Quinn is a much better shooter, ball-handler, and passer. They are about the same on defense. Ledlum is the much better rebounder, that’s it. Ledlum has to be a demon on the glass to be better than he would have been for us.
 
MJDinkins said:
I remember Mike Moses. He was a senior when I became a fan.
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1984/5. The year after I became a fan. He was in same class as Mullin, Wennington, and Ron Stewart. The next year with Walter Berry in the paint and Mark Jackson getting some burn hooked me for good.
 
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