Michael Chandler (OREGON VERBAL)

Chandler may well be a good kid mixed up with the wrong people through no fault of his own.

But he was mixed up with an ex-con street agent who steered him towards a school that rarely attracts Top 200 talent let alone Top 50 talent.

How can you not question this type of recruit with everything that is already on the public record?

As the esteemed Moose wrote on JJ back in September:

"We shouldnt be touching him with a 10 foot pole."
 

Public record? You make it sound like he was tried and convicted of something...
 
Public record? You make it sound like he was tried and convicted of something...
 

You mean like Moe Hicks was when you wanted him fired six months ago?

You're right,. Chandler hasn't been convicted of anything. I just don't want any trial to come while he's suiting up for us.

Bottom line is: It's not unreasonable to question this recruitment given what's already out there. Just like you weren't being unreasonable when you questioned Moe Hicks future with STJ in light of the Miami stories.
 
 He is a stud! Would be a better get than jakaar IMHO
 

A ridiculous comment, they play different positions.
 

Not ridiculous at all. Sign Jordan and Alcindor - Alcindor the better get. Even tho they play different positions. STill...in a fantasy world that's a NICE core for your team! :p
 
Public record? You make it sound like he was tried and convicted of something...
 

You mean like Moe Hicks was when you wanted him fired six months ago?

You're right,. Chandler hasn't been convicted of anything. I just don't want any trial to come while he's suiting up for us.

Bottom line is: It's not unreasonable to question this recruitment given what's already out there. Just like you weren't being unreasonable when you questioned Moe Hicks future with STJ in light of the Miami stories.
 

Agree I shouldn't have jumped on that. Diffence is that this is a kid and this stuff is pretty unsubstantiated. Moe is an adult and a staff member.. There were quite a few reasons I thought moe had hurt us at the time. Even Harkless almost ineligible because of their connection.
 
Anyway, you have to assume that Coach Lavin has done his homework if he decides to go for this kid.

Coach knows what's at stake and would never take that much of a gamble IMO if there is a potential scandal in there somewhere by getting this kid..
 

After JaRon Rush at UCLA, you better believe Coach has done his due dilligence. (Google JaRon Rush + Myron Piggie for an explanation).
 
Anyway, you have to assume that Coach Lavin has done his homework if he decides to go for this kid.

Coach knows what's at stake and would never take that much of a gamble IMO if there is a potential scandal in there somewhere by getting this kid..
 

After JaRon Rush at UCLA, you better believe Coach has done his due dilligence. (Google JaRon Rush + Myron Piggie for an explanation).
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If the NCAA approves him.to play we should take him if he doesnt work out show him the door
 
 Can anyone confirm the interest level on either side?
Can you imagine
Branch
Harrison
Harkless
Jakaar
Chandler

Bench pointer Greene gift Garret Felix Sanchez Morris and maybe hall
Wow
 
 Can anyone confirm the interest level on either side?
Can you imagine
Branch
Harrison
Harkless
Jakaar
Chandler

Bench pointer Greene gift Garret Felix Sanchez Morris and maybe hall
Wow
 

Wow is right. We'll have to hold our excitement until Coach is able to lock down the remaining guys, but looking forward to that moment. Funny how the tone of this site has turned completely positive vs. just 2 weeks ago.
 
 Can anyone confirm the interest level on either side?
Can you imagine
Branch
Harrison
Harkless
Jakaar
Chandler

Bench pointer Greene gift Garret Felix Sanchez Morris and maybe hall
Wow
 

we can dream right? That team would run through a red light! 
 
Chandler may well be a good kid mixed up with the wrong people through no fault of his own.

But he was mixed up with an ex-con street agent who steered him towards a school that rarely attracts Top 200 talent let alone Top 50 talent.

If that doesn't raise questions, then what does?

As the Moose wrote on JJ back in September:

"We shouldnt be touching him with a 10 foot pole." 
 

I'm esteemed haha

Still leery but I think the due diligence is being done.
 
Gotta love how Zags comes out with an article on him after Chandlers name was finally mentioned on the 2 sites as being the mystery center 
 
Gotta love how Zags comes out with an article on him after Chandlers name was finally mentioned on the 2 sites as being the mystery center 
 

The Jimmy Olsen of sports reporting!
 
I think of the NCAA the way I think of Avery Brundage, malignant, biased, and so filled with self-interest that very little else gets through. Given our history (Erick Barkley and last through the clearing house going all the way back to Joe Lapchick taking his team to the NIT instead of the NCAA in the early '60s) if there is anything about Mr. Chandler that presents an opportunity to hurt STJ they will take it. On the other hand if he gets the NCAA stamp of approval and Lavs wants him, I hope he is at STJ. Getting played by a street agent is much more a sign of youth and neediness than it is of bad character.

I have been involved for the past 20 years with a program that trains recovering drug abusers in specialized counseleing skills for working with mentally ill drug abusers. Among the students have been enough All-NYC and All-Metro high school stars (including several NBA draft choices) to beat all of Norm's team and the Jarvis teams minus Fran's recruits. The main problem with recovery, rehabilitation, and redemption is that a fall is a necessary precursor. If Mr. Chandler has learned from getting played and done the academic and self-examination work to progress on and off the court, then welcome aboard.
 
When I heard this yesterday I was excited but torn. If Chandler was the only big that gets signed I think that's a bit of a gamble. Obekpa's not coming so any top big we didn't know about yesterday is out. But I'm sure, if delusionally, of a couple things. The staff is not putting all their big eggs in the Chandler basket and are still out there looking for more while pressing for Sanchez and they've done their due diligence on Chandler's situation with Caldwell and his attitude. Liker I said a few weeks ago to someone whining about no commits yet, the staff knows a lot more than everyone on this board and they were positive and that's alright by me. Last year they took a few gambles, this year this might be the only one. That's progress and if this gamble works to its fullest, wow. 
 
I think of the NCAA the way I think of Avery Brundage, malignant, biased, and so filled with self-interest that very little else gets through. Given our history (Erick Barkley and last through the clearing house going all the way back to Joe Lapchick taking his team to the NIT instead of the NCAA in the early '60s) if there is anything about Mr. Chandler that presents an opportunity to hurt STJ they will take it. On the other hand if he gets the NCAA stamp of approval and Lavs wants him, I hope he is at STJ. Getting played by a street agent is much more a sign of youth and neediness than it is of bad character.

I have been involved for the past 20 years with a program that trains recovering drug abusers in specialized counseleing skills for working with mentally ill drug abusers. Among the students have been enough All-NYC and All-Metro high school stars (including several NBA draft choices) to beat all of Norm's team and the Jarvis teams minus Fran's recruits. The main problem with recovery, rehabilitation, and redemption is that a fall is a necessary precursor. If Mr. Chandler has learned from getting played and done the academic and self-examination work to progress on and off the court, then welcome aboard.
 

Well put.
 
 Is obekpa defiately out? Or are people just saying so based on wispers and his spirit.?
 
I think of the NCAA the way I think of Avery Brundage, malignant, biased, and so filled with self-interest that very little else gets through. Given our history (Erick Barkley and last through the clearing house going all the way back to Joe Lapchick taking his team to the NIT instead of the NCAA in the early '60s) if there is anything about Mr. Chandler that presents an opportunity to hurt STJ they will take it. On the other hand if he gets the NCAA stamp of approval and Lavs wants him, I hope he is at STJ. Getting played by a street agent is much more a sign of youth and neediness than it is of bad character.

I have been involved for the past 20 years with a program that trains recovering drug abusers in specialized counseleing skills for working with mentally ill drug abusers. Among the students have been enough All-NYC and All-Metro high school stars (including several NBA draft choices) to beat all of Norm's team and the Jarvis teams minus Fran's recruits. The main problem with recovery, rehabilitation, and redemption is that a fall is a necessary precursor. If Mr. Chandler has learned from getting played and done the academic and self-examination work to progress on and off the court, then welcome aboard.
 


Fuschia - well written and by the way Bobby Knight took a superb defensive-minded Army team to the NITs in the late 1960s and spurned an NCAA offer - the NIT was once the premiere tournament. Anyway.

I'm only into "good character" kids. If Coach Lavin and staff are willing to take a chance, I trust them. We do not need risky recruits; top talent is now interested in us; I'd rather forego the center we need if all that's available is too risky to take.

It'll all shake out.

all the best
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that he won't be the 1st kid that we've had here who associated with someone of questionable character during High School/the recruiting process. Who gives a damn? I trust that coach Lavin, like all of the other coaches interested in Chandler, is doing his due diligence. If Lavin is convinced that the risk factor is low enough(we already assume that the reward factor is high enough) then that's good enough for me. And if it doesn't pan out for whatever reason, so be it.
 
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