Cabrera isn't a saber player either but he signed a contract that Sandy likes... short. I know he will stand on the 3 years and we are going to lose Cespedes. I pray there's a good player available at the deadline cause that's where we are headed.Sandy Sandy SandyKen Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal · 13m13 minutes ago
Sources: #Nationals’ offer to Cespedes is for five years. #Mets unwilling to go beyond three. Dollars not known.
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Mets actually have not officially offered him anything. Sad thing is Wilpon's probably happy he got offered 5 years so that they don't have to defend why they didn't sign him if some team got him for 3 years.
I'm holding on to the crazy notion that they publicly show disinterest, then swoop in and get him for the lowest possible price. Might be extremely unlikely, but the notion is comforting and I'm sticking with it.
Cespedes is not a saber metric player, Alderson doesn't like him because of his OBP.
I think Cespedes in the National clubhouse could be very entertaining.
If the Mets sweep in and grab him, I will see the positives about it and be satisfied.
If he goes to DC, I will see the positives about it and be satisfied.
DISCLAIMER: I reserve the right to change my perspective, depending on how he plays this year.
And if he doesn't resign with the mets, do not despair. You never know who's going to become available as the season progresses, and Alderson did a bang up job last year.
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Last chance for the Coupons. Guy WANTS to be here. 5 years 100 mill make it happen. Even if he dogs it he still would be our best offensive player. If they don't sign him now they can never say they have the $ or are willing to spend again and commissioner should look into their finances!!
I'm not crazy about signing Cespedes long-term. We don't truly know his age and his game won't translate well in his mid-to-late 30's IMO. With that said, the Coupons had an opportunity to not put themselves in this position by signing a 2nd or 3rd tier free agent like Span or Parra and instead chose the bottom of the barrel with de Aza. So your cheapness has us all wondering why we can't just throw money at this guy and atleast in the short-term have a formidable lineup to go along with the rotation.
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Even if he has a bad Cespedes year he would still be your best offensive player unless Conforto makes the jump early.
Supposedly discussing 3 year $65 mill deal with a one year player opt out
Supposedly discussing 3 year $65 mill deal with a one year player opt out
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN ·
Expectation among some parties in the talks is that Cespedes will make his choice in the next 24 to 48 hours.
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN ·
For Cespedes, 3-year deal/opt-out in '16 would give him chance to cash in next fall. For Mets, would limit financial obligation.
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN ·
Sources: Mets, Cespedes discussing an opt-out clause after the 1st year of a three-year deal. Would allow him to test market again Fall '16.
Expectation among some parties in the talks is that Cespedes will make his choice in the next 24 to 48 hours.
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN ·
For Cespedes, 3-year deal/opt-out in '16 would give him chance to cash in next fall. For Mets, would limit financial obligation.
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN ·
Sources: Mets, Cespedes discussing an opt-out clause after the 1st year of a three-year deal. Would allow him to test market again Fall '16.
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Given the choice of an opt out after year 1, several pundits on Twitter are suggesting that there is a very good chance that he will end up with the Mets
I would still like to know how old he really is
If he's 30, then I'm the Pope
I would still like to know how old he really is
If he's 30, then I'm the Pope
Spocky Ramone
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Jorge?
You're probably one of those doubters who did not believe that Luke Perry was a teenager on 90210.
MarkRedman
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Allegedly, he would prefer the Mets over the Nats if things can be worked out for him
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And supposedly Roc Nation realizes that Cano went for the money and is now miserable, so it is not like a Boras situation where you take the best deal regardless of anything else.
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Front load the deal a little with the opt out so next year costs them 24 million, 3 yrs 65 million. BE creative and give the team the option after 1 year opt out to lock him in to a 4th or 5th season after that. If he earns his 23 million next year, he can opt out and cash in on the big year then.
Give him an incentive laden deal, such as if team makes playoffs, if he hits 90, 95, 100, 110, 120 rbi's, if he hits 25, 30,35,40 home runs, .300, ALL Star team selection, placing top ten in MVP voting, etc etc.
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Calling it now. He signs this opt out deal he is the National league MVP next season
Problem with saber metrics as i understand it is it is a totally individual measurement while having a big bopper in the middle of your line up enhances the entire line ups production. You need a feared hitter in line up cause even when he is slumping he is feared and other hitters will still get better pitches to hit.
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I have a problem with leaks of what the Mets are offering Cespedes. To me it seems like opium for the masses, a flimsy attempt to say they stayed in the hunt when they had no interest in competing.
Ya know...considering the deals the Mets have given players like Bonilla, Vaughn, Cuddyer, Bell, etc. I don't see why they can't make this happen. D Wright wants it, fans want it...and you can probably put him in right or left after Grandy's contract expires (maybe Conforto to right in the future--his D was solid in left). Plus, with the talk of the NL going to a DH sooner than later (Manfred suggested it could be on the table as early as for the 17 season--it will completely end my baseball fandom, but from a business standpoint)...I get that the guy may not be for the dataheads...but the eyes saw some magic last summer. Others are loading up and as many have pointed out, no studs on the horizon. In general, gettin' quality outfielders is an issue for many teams nowadays.
And while I appreciate much of what Alderson has done here...he's also been pretty dag lucky. He didn't even really want to trade for Cespy, and got lucky in my opinion with the Wheeler and Dickey deals...make this team legit for the next few years, please?
Lastly, like what Bama said about the impact of his bat on the rest of the lineup. Murphy in particular truly benefited from the lineup addition.
And while I appreciate much of what Alderson has done here...he's also been pretty dag lucky. He didn't even really want to trade for Cespy, and got lucky in my opinion with the Wheeler and Dickey deals...make this team legit for the next few years, please?
Lastly, like what Bama said about the impact of his bat on the rest of the lineup. Murphy in particular truly benefited from the lineup addition.
Spocky Ramone
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I think saber metrics is a long term approach. It works well over the course of 162 games because of the law of averages. However, I do not think it translates well in the post season, especially since you usually wind up facing better pitching.
I agree about the major stick in the middle of the lineup. And Cespedes certainly fits that bill. Plus he's demonstrated he can do it in NY, so he's a proven commodity in that regard. Even when he's going bad, you know that if he makes contact it can go a long way. The Citi Field dimensions are irrelevant to him, and as a Met fan you know how important that is.
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I don't think that they're leaks to soothe Mets fans. They do not want to sign him to a long term deal, but they know the fan base differs in opinion. They're trying to do something creative in order to keep him. Regardless, if Cespedes winds up in DC, the fan base will be pi$$ed, and nobody is going to believe that Mets' management tried to make it work.
The killer is that he's the best FA bat available this year and next year, so if he's not in Flushing, then Alderson will need to work some more magic before the trading deadline.