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My inane thoughts:
1. The Reed, Clippard, Familia 7-8-9 is better than average. Robles has good. He is young and crazy, but has talent. Gilmartin, Verrett, Torres, Goedell are nice long man options. Parnell, O'(h no) Flaherty, et al will not see a sliver of the postseason. Besides, the Dodger pen is shaky at best.

2. I would start Thor. His numbers in the first inning are not good, so I don't want to chance it. Also, if he is on, he can be nearly untouchable.

3. I like DeGrom, Syndergaard, Harvey, Matz if the Mets have home field. If the Dodgers have it, swap Harvey and Syndergaard. They will each pitch once (except DeGrom if needed), which saves their innings.

4. The team won 11 straight road games, and they had a couple of clunkers. This was bound to happen. Get it out of the system now.

5. After the Cespedes scare, I didn't care one about the game. We can agree, the bigger picture was the health of Cespedes. That was a fine trade off.
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It's a good discussion, but better than average doesn't win a championship because most average adn below average bullpens will be watching the playoffs from home. The Mets have a pretty good history in this regard (moving a starter to the bullpen). Both Nolan Ryan and El Sid were moved to the bullpen in our only WS championships.
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Ryan and El Sid were 5th starters. So in keeping with tradition, the Mets are auditioning Colon and Niese for the bullpen.

If I were to say the Mets bullpen, especially 7-8-9 is as good as anyone, would that be better? We are most familiar with the clunkers on the Mets staff. But all playoff teams are concerned about it. The best of the bunch may be Pittsburgh, but they have an extra game to play.

Besides, I am worried about LA first. And that bullpen is average.
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I respect your opinion, something that isn't said around here enough.

I don't recollect if Cardwell was viewed as the 5th starter in 69, but both of the pitchers I mentioned were sent to the pen because they had nasty stuff and could dominate hitters, not because they were 5th starters. El Sid always had the lowest or near the lowest .BAA in the NL. Ryan we know about. Recalling the 88 playoff where Herschiser said, "I won't throw on the days to throw - just stick me in the bullpen." and as a reliever was lights out also. The Dodgers having a crappy bullpen won't help our pitchers in the 6th or 7th inning when our erratic relievers are on the mound.
 
No reason for Parnell or Niese to pitch in this game. We needed this game.
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Well if Matz doesn't fall apart we probably wouldn't need those two tonight. This guy is so damn injury prone. First it's his shoulder, then his lat now his back. We now have to worry if he will be available for the playoffs. Give me a break saying he slept wrong. Yeh right,
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Stop it! He's a Long Island kid, a Mets fan all his life. His ceiling is higher than perhaps any other pitcher the Mets have. If he is injury prone, we will just have to deal with it. Remember, the Mets cast off a guy who couldn't stop rubbing up blisters on his fingers for Jim Fregosi.

Damn, Jack, you are crankier than Keith Hernandez. :)
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I like Matz as much as anyone but his ceiling is not higher than Syndergaards. Noah has the best pure stuff on the staff. He might not turn out to be the best pitcher on the team but he has the nastiest stuff.
 
No reason for Parnell or Niese to pitch in this game. We needed this game.
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Well if Matz doesn't fall apart we probably wouldn't need those two tonight. This guy is so damn injury prone. First it's his shoulder, then his lat now his back. We now have to worry if he will be available for the playoffs. Give me a break saying he slept wrong. Yeh right,
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Stop it! He's a Long Island kid, a Mets fan all his life. His ceiling is higher than perhaps any other pitcher the Mets have. If he is injury prone, we will just have to deal with it. Remember, the Mets cast off a guy who couldn't stop rubbing up blisters on his fingers for Jim Fregosi.

Damn, Jack, you are crankier than Keith Hernandez. :)
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I like Matz as much as anyone but his ceiling is not higher than Syndergaards. Noah has the best pure stuff on the staff. He might not turn out to be the best pitcher on the team but he has the nastiest stuff.
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"His ceiling is higher than perhaps any other pitcher the Mets have." Perhaps is an important word, as opposed to unequivocally :)
 
I flat out believe that Noah has the most upside. I think this will be evident next season. My only concern is that he blows out his arm which seems to happen to almost everyone who throws that hard.
 
Mets lose another; don't understand the brave new media driven world where everything is overanalyzed and scrutunized and it is a viable strategy to give games away before obtaining all possible advantages; in this case home field. Very happy with the results of the year but I just don't get it, outside of the Red series we have stumbled through September and appear to be hoping the Dodgers do us the same favor the Nationals did. We won the division fair and square but certainly the Nats ineptitude helped.
 
I flat out believe that Noah has the most upside. I think this will be evident next season. My only concern is that he blows out his arm which seems to happen to almost everyone who throws that hard.
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As far as I'm concerned with the Mets front four, any one of them couple win a few of Cy Young awards before it's all over. Some on here wanted to trade Harvey now (with 3 full seasons to go before he is a free agent. Right now Harvey is pissed at people for dumping on him and is zoned in to dominate in the post season. Syndergaard has amazing stuff and already knows how to pitch. deGrom will get Cy Young votes this year. Matz is another fierce competitor who can throw 99 also. Take your pic, really.

Each of them have sky's the limit talent,
 
I flat out believe that Noah has the most upside. I think this will be evident next season. My only concern is that he blows out his arm which seems to happen to almost everyone who throws that hard.
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As far as I'm concerned with the Mets front four, any one of them couple win a few of Cy Young awards before it's all over. Some on here wanted to trade Harvey now (with 3 full seasons to go before he is a free agent. Right now Harvey is pissed at people for dumping on him and is zoned in to dominate in the post season. Syndergaard has amazing stuff and already knows how to pitch. deGrom will get Cy Young votes this year. Matz is another fierce competitor who can throw 99 also. Take your pic, really.

Each of them have sky's the limit talent,
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Not a big believer in the motivation factor you say is going to drive Harvey. He has been a good to very good pitcher this year but far from dominant and I don't expect that to change in the playoffs. Frankly I consider none of the Mets pitchers dominant because they just don't go deep enough in games consistently enough to be considered that. However, I do agree they all have dominant stuff and dominant potential.
 
The damn dodgers beat San Fran today so now we are tied with them but have the tiebreaker. Damn now I'm even more pissed than 4 hours ago about last night.

Bottom line is we need to finish this season out with wins

Dodgers play 3 at home against San Diego
 
Mets "strategy" in September has been strange for sure. They have 4 days off before the Dodger series so I don't get the need to rest players. I believe taking the foot off the pedal with the 4 days off can only hurt them. We shall see.
 
No reason for Parnell or Niese to pitch in this game. We needed this game.
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Well if Matz doesn't fall apart we probably wouldn't need those two tonight. This guy is so damn injury prone. First it's his shoulder, then his lat now his back. We now have to worry if he will be available for the playoffs. Give me a break saying he slept wrong. Yeh right,
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Stop it! He's a Long Island kid, a Mets fan all his life. His ceiling is higher than perhaps any other pitcher the Mets have. If he is injury prone, we will just have to deal with it. Remember, the Mets cast off a guy who couldn't stop rubbing up blisters on his fingers for Jim Fregosi.

Damn, Jack, you are crankier than Keith Hernandez. :)
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I could be wrong but I believe Matz would have pitched were it a playoff game or there was still a race going on. Playoff series many times come down to bullpens and in terms of depth, the Mets have an erratic one at best and a lousy one at worst. Just a fact and it could come back and bite them, we shall see.
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I'd move Thor to the bullpen and use him in the following way (presuming Matz is a go): If one of the 4 starters is pitching well but with a high pitch count after 5 or 6 inning, bring in Thor to go the distance, at least through the 8th. Even if a starter was having a rough start after 2-3 innings, Syndergaard could come in and throw 100mph smoke, and we wouldn't have to toss the game to our shake middle relief.
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Cranky Jack believes it would be better if we used Matz in the bullpen. Let's face it we have no lefty relievers.
 
The damn dodgers beat San Fran today so now we are tied with them but have the tiebreaker. Damn now I'm even more pissed than 4 hours ago about last night.

Bottom line is we need to finish this season out with wins

Dodgers play 3 at home against San Diego
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Since the day of the Cespedes trade (at which point, we all agree, the Mets became a different team), the Mets are 24-8 on the road (that includes getting swept in Philly this week), and a meager 13-12 at home (having won the first 7). Plus, Cespedes hits about 200 points better on the road, then he does at Cirifield.

So, it may not be the end of the world for the Mets not to have homefield, though playing better teams than you have been, it wouldn't be bad, either.
 
This is baseball, not football or hockey, I don't really see the big need to get the homefield advantage, to be honest. One, this team has played much better on the road lately. Two, Dodger Stadium is just as much of a pitchers park as CitiField is. They are just as flawed a team as us.

I get wanting to end the regular season on a high note, but let's face it....these guys don't play for 5 days after tomorrow. Is anyone on Friday night really gonna be thinking about these last few games?

Fellas, just sit back and relax and enjoy the fact we don't have to sweat any last day pennant race or a one-day playoff. We're in.
 
If we won this afternoon I would have gone to the game tonight because tix were dirt cheap on stub hub. But we are hitting for crap right now and this weather sucks so I'll sit on the ouch instead and save my money for the playoffs

I wanted home field to pitch Thor game 2 at home. He pitched nine on the road the last 2 games but I'd rather have Harvey on the road still come playoff time

Oh well. Looks like stub hub for the monday playoff game

Damn I'm still pissed at Collins over the blown game in Philly
 
We just got Murph'd
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What else is new? He really is a cold interview, in fact on October 8, 2008 at the Arizona Fall League I asked for an autograph before the game. Tried to have a conversation about his move from the outfield to second base. Was short and curt, things haven't changed in after game interviews.
 
He isn't fan friendly at all. When you sit behind the dugout he never gives anyone the ball. Duda always does. Both teams looked like they were playing out the season. The catch by den Dekker that robbed Murphy stopped any momentum we had and the botched double play didn't help. One thing is apparent. Niese is not a reliever right now.
 
So much for home field, never good to take your foot off the gas but we shall see. I was wrong about the Mets a couple of weeks ago hopefully I am again.
 
Thank F'ing God I didn't go to the game tonight. A NoNo would have flipped me the F out
 
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