Mets Hot Stove talk--2024-25

CBA69 said:
Vientos, Mauricio and Acuna in the starting lineup helps the Mets (Cohen) salary wise and gives them a little breathing room to go after Soto.
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I'd read this: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5845900/2024/10/28/mets-offseason-mlb-free-agency/

Mets have $185 million coming off the books. They are $74 million under the initial luxury-tax threshold, and $114 million under the third.

I just don't think we should be worried about any financial flexibility if we sign Soto. We should just be going all-in for a 4-5 year window via trades and free agency. No stupid contracts like Marte, Diaz or McNeil, but re-sign Pete, take a gamble on an ace like Snell or Burnes, and another one on a guy like Buehler. Go after a guy like Crochett, Helsely, Devin Williams, etc. Stearns didn't draft or trade for any of our prospects, so maybe he doesn't really like them to begin with.

I couldn't find the quote, but I remember Cohen saying something along the lines of it doesn't make sense to be barely above the CBT/you might as well be way over.

If we don't sign Soto, I actually think we should re-set and try to stay under the CBT. Get creative and trade for one-year deals & guys under arbitration, see what our kids can do, etc.
 
Pretty sure his hedge fund has had a good year so far. He could pay the mets and yankees payroll with his profits
 
dk423 said:
I'd read this: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5845900/2024/10/28/mets-offseason-mlb-free-agency/

Mets have $185 million coming off the books. They are $74 million under the initial luxury-tax threshold, and $114 million under the third.

I just don't think we should be worried about any financial flexibility if we sign Soto. We should just be going all-in for a 4-5 year window via trades and free agency. No stupid contracts like Marte, Diaz or McNeil, but re-sign Pete, take a gamble on an ace like Snell or Burnes, and another one on a guy like Buehler. Go after a guy like Crochett, Helsely, Devin Williams, etc. Stearns didn't draft or trade for any of our prospects, so maybe he doesn't really like them to begin with.

I couldn't find the quote, but I remember Cohen saying something along the lines of it doesn't make sense to be barely above the CBT/you might as well be way over.

If we don't sign Soto, I actually think we should re-set and try to stay under the CBT. Get creative and trade for one-year deals & guys under arbitration, see what our kids can do, etc.
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I agree with all of this.
 
I don’t know where the salary caps hit.
But if they sign Soto for 45m/ yr & Alonso & manea for 20-25m/yr, are they over already ?
As said above- vientos, Mauricio Acuna & Alvarez on rookie contracts helps give room
for big contracts. peterson & McGill on very reasonable arbs helps too
 
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BrooklynRed said:
Does everyone feel a little better today as we have now officially closed the 2024 season last night and we can say at least we won TWO games against the Bums and they did NOT get to celebrate on our home field! As a young one I was brought up to believe that it was a good day when the Bums won and a great day when the Bums won and the Giants and Yankees lost. I brought my son up with a similar mantra--It's a good day when the Mets win and a great day when the Mets win and the Yankees lost. LGM!!!
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Amen! Just the way it was when i was a kid growing up in Brooklyn in the'50s.
 
BrooklynRed said:
Does everyone feel a little better today as we have now officially closed the 2024 season last night and we can say at least we won TWO games against the Bums and they did NOT get to celebrate on our home field! As a young one I was brought up to believe that it was a good day when the Bums won and a great day when the Bums won and the Giants and Yankees lost. I brought my son up with a similar mantra--It's a good day when the Mets win and a great day when the Mets win and the Yankees lost. LGM!!!
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Yes, the day after the World Series is usually our happiest day as Mets fans. We can sign anyone and we haven’t lost any games. Then we are slowly crushed day by day by reality 😁

I’m hoping Uncle Steve will end that cycle for us.
 
Hopefully they learned lessons from 2-3 years ago.
Pitchers are subject to more injuries than position players.

There is no FA pitcher that I would pay 25-30M/yr t, other than Burnes.
Offer Manea 3/50 and Severino 2/30, see who says yes 1st
 
Marillac2 said:
Yes, the day after the World Series is usually our happiest day as Mets fans. We can sign anyone and we haven’t lost any games. Then we are slowly crushed day by day by reality 😁

I’m hoping Uncle Steve will end that cycle for us.
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You just described being a St John’s fan too 😀
 
mjmaherjr said:
Pretty sure his hedge fund has had a good year so far. He could pay the mets and yankees payroll with his profits
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If his hedge fund didn't have a good year this year, it's clear he put all his money in Webistics.... at the wrong time.
 
Stevep502 said:
Hopefully they learned lessons from 2-3 years ago.
Pitchers are subject to more injuries than position players.

There is no FA pitcher that I would pay 25-30M/yr t, other than Burnes.
Offer Manea 3/50 and Severino 2/30, see who says yes 1st
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I’m not as worried about the AAV as much as the # of years. 1-3 year deals should be the limit for pitchers. But someone like Burnes may get 5-7 years.
 
dk423 said:
I'd read this: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5845900/2024/10/28/mets-offseason-mlb-free-agency/

Mets have $185 million coming off the books. They are $74 million under the initial luxury-tax threshold, and $114 million under the third.

I just don't think we should be worried about any financial flexibility if we sign Soto. We should just be going all-in for a 4-5 year window via trades and free agency. No stupid contracts like Marte, Diaz or McNeil, but re-sign Pete, take a gamble on an ace like Snell or Burnes, and another one on a guy like Buehler. Go after a guy like Crochett, Helsely, Devin Williams, etc. Stearns didn't draft or trade for any of our prospects, so maybe he doesn't really like them to begin with.

I couldn't find the quote, but I remember Cohen saying something along the lines of it doesn't make sense to be barely above the CBT/you might as well be way over.

If we don't sign Soto, I actually think we should re-set and try to stay under the CBT. Get creative and trade for one-year deals & guys under arbitration, see what our kids can do, etc.
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Good post.

I think the Mets will be all in on Soto, but odds are against us.

I love Pete, but he wants 6-7 years around $200M. Walker from the D-Backs would be a nice consolation. Older, but a well-rounded 1st baseman who can be had on a short term deal. Gives us time to develop a 1b, or a 3b and move Vientos to 1st.

Either way, Mets will be adding pitchers. We we 7th in MLB in runs scored, but clearly need SP and RP.

One issue to consider is the Qualifying Offer. If a player has a QO (Burnes, Snell, and Fried for sure) the Mets have to give up their 2nd and 5th draft pick, and lose $1M from the international signing pool. Of course, they lose more drafts picks and signing pool $ for each player with a QO they sign.

That’s why Manaea would be a great resign.

I think they end up with Burnes, Snell or Fried, then resign Manaea, and sign an upside guy like Beuhler. A trade is also a possibility.

Still need a RF if you don’t get Soto. Wouldn’t want to count on Marte’s health all year. Make him DH/4th OF.
 
dk423 said:
I'd read this: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5845900/2024/10/28/mets-offseason-mlb-free-agency/

Mets have $185 million coming off the books. They are $74 million under the initial luxury-tax threshold, and $114 million under the third.

I just don't think we should be worried about any financial flexibility if we sign Soto. We should just be going all-in for a 4-5 year window via trades and free agency. No stupid contracts like Marte, Diaz or McNeil, but re-sign Pete, take a gamble on an ace like Snell or Burnes, and another one on a guy like Buehler. Go after a guy like Crochett, Helsely, Devin Williams, etc. Stearns didn't draft or trade for any of our prospects, so maybe he doesn't really like them to begin with.

I couldn't find the quote, but I remember Cohen saying something along the lines of it doesn't make sense to be barely above the CBT/you might as well be way over.

If we don't sign Soto, I actually think we should re-set and try to stay under the CBT. Get creative and trade for one-year deals & guys under arbitration, see what our kids can do, etc.
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Good post.

I think the Mets will be all in on Soto, but odds are against us.

I love Pete, but he wants 6-7 years around $200M. Walker from the D-Backs would be a nice consolation. Older, but a well-rounded 1st baseman who can be had on a short term deal. Gives us time to develop a 1b, or a 3b and move Vientos to 1st

Either way, Mets will be adding pitchers. We we 7th in MLB in runs scored, but clearly need SP and RP.

One issue to consider is the Qualifying Offer. If a player has a QO (Burnes, Snell, and Fried for sure) the Mets have to give up their 2nd and 5th draft pick, and lose $1M from the international signing pool. Of course, they lose more drafts picks and signing pool $ for each player with a QO they sign.

That’s why Manaea would be a great resign.

I think they end up with Burnes, Snell or Fried, then resign Manaea, and sign an upside guy like Beuhler. A trade is also a possibility.

Still need a RF if you don’t get Soto. Wouldn’t want to count on Marte’s health all year. Make him DH/4th OF.
 
KG44 said:
Good post.

I think the Mets will be all in on Soto, but odds are against us.

I love Pete, but he wants 6-7 years around $200M. Walker from the D-Backs would be a nice consolation. Older, but a well-rounded 1st baseman who can be had on a short term deal. Gives us time to develop a 1b, or a 3b and move Vientos to 1st.

Either way, Mets will be adding pitchers. We we 7th in MLB in runs scored, but clearly need SP and RP.

One issue to consider is the Qualifying Offer. If a player has a QO (Burnes, Snell, and Fried for sure) the Mets have to give up their 2nd and 5th draft pick, and lose $1M from the international signing pool. Of course, they lose more drafts picks and signing pool $ for each player with a QO they sign.

That’s why Manaea would be a great resign.

I think they end up with Burnes, Snell or Fried, then resign Manaea, and sign an upside guy like Beuhler. A trade is also a possibility.

Still need a RF if you don’t get Soto. Wouldn’t want to count on Marte’s health all year. Make him DH/4th OF.
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Don’t the qualifying offers offset each other? If we extend 3 offers and 2 are signed by other teams and we sign 2 with qualifying offers, wouldn’t there be no penalty?

If so, extend away! It will dampen the markets of those players. It might not have a huge impact on Pete, but who the hell wants to give up draft picks and international pool money for 2-3 years of Manaea?
 
I think the Mets have a very good shot at Soto. The reason? Soto ain’t leaving a dime on the table. Unless his comments are just posturing high bidder wins. Maybe I’m wrong but reading the Yankee tea leaves Hal Steinbrenner is not George Steinbrenner. But who knows? Maybe he needs to prove something. I’m not sure of Cohen either but something tells me he’s been waiting for this…Gonna be interesting to see what happens.
 
Outside of Soto and Burnes this feels like a rather mediocre free agent year. It will be interesting to see if that drives up prices. If feels like you can find some nice bats and SP pieces, but those kinds of players come at 20-30m per year which quickly gets back to a 250-300m payroll. We really need some young kids to come through and fill the roster. I think we will spend on some 2-3 year deals. I do think we are in a good spot to have a consistent playoff contender for the next few years.

I could also see us becoming a destination for cheaper SP reclamation projects after the year that our starters had and the likely pay days they are about to get.
 
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Marillac2 said:
Don’t the qualifying offers offset each other? If we extend 3 offers and 2 are signed by other teams and we sign 2 with qualifying offers, wouldn’t there be no penalty?

If so, extend away! It will dampen the markets of those players. It might not have a huge impact on Pete, but who the hell wants to give up draft picks and international pool money for 2-3 years of Manaea?
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No, the draft pick compensation is based on the the team’s salary level (i.e., revenue sharing, non- tax payor, tax payor). The Mets as a tax payor give up their 2nd and 5th pick and lose $1M for each QO the sign. The only get a 4th round pick ( actually, a compensatory pick after the 4th round) for each QO they lose.

The other tiers give up less and get more with respect to QO’s.

Also, if you extend a QO and the player accepts it, you are stuck with him. Pete and Manaea will get the QO. The question is Severino worth a QO of $21M.
 
KG44 said:
No, the draft pick compensation is based on the the team’s salary level (i.e., revenue sharing, non- tax payor, tax payor). The Mets as a tax payor give up their 2nd and 5th pick and lose $1M for each QO the sign. The only get a 4th round pick ( actually, a compensatory pick after the 4th round) for each QO they lose.

The other tiers give up less and get more with respect to QO’s.

Also, if you extend a QO and the player accepts it, you are stuck with him. Pete and Manaea will get the QO. The question is Severino worth a QO of $21M.
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All would be good deals even if Sevvy may not be worth the full 21 mill.

The team should know what young arms are rotation-worthy after this coming season and Scott is due back for 2026. Most GMs would rather pay more for a one year deal I’d imagine.
 
The Mets exercised their buyout for Maton. Easy decision as we expected and saves 7.5 mill.

Manaea opted out of his final year.

Qualifying offers are due by 2 PM today. Sevvy being the biggest uncertainty here. I'd extend the offer though he's probably worth closer to 16-17 mill.
 
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