Marcellus in Portal

[room112]

I think am thankful guys like Greg and Marcellus stuck around the two years they did under CMA instead of bolting immediately. Which would have left us in alot worse of a spot than we are now. 

 

[boo haarvey]

Absolutely incredible.  I have no idea as to who is even on the team anymore.  The train is officially off the rails.  We might be better and we might be worse but I cannot continue to support this program.  A lack of stability indicates issues are running deeper than we all imagined.  I really like CMA but not sure what the heck is going on.  I get these were not his recruited players but the lack of any stability bothers me.  Pittsburgh situation looks way better than ours presently.

I can help you there:

Posh
Dylan
Stef
Maybe Julian
Plus the 3 guys coming in as freshman. Not sure what is going on with the mid-year transfer.

Thanks.  Maybe SJ can drop out of the BE and just form an intramural league.





 

Fortunately, the new season doesn't start for about another 7 1/2 months, so there's a ton of time to adequately shape the roster.

We haven't been able to field a team capable of winning 1 NCAA tournament game in 20 years and now we are okay with only 7.5 months.  You understand why I might be a little pessimistic?


 

Who said anything about being "okay?"  I said there is a ton of time to field a roster.  That's a fact!  

I understand you being pessimistic, but also you should be logical in your pessimistic rant (The winning of only one NCAA Tournament game in 20 years is a red herring).  That's all I'm saying.

It’s absolutely not a red herring.  We face significant barriers in our ability to recruit in large part bc we have no recent history of success.  CMA was gaining some momentum building the program with under the radar kids.  Many of those kids have left and now he essentially has to rebuild the team on the fly in several months.  Not a recipe for success.

 

[Moose]

Open the doc
2nd tab is by school.  Not sure when it was updated last 

https://twitter.com/ThatTonk/status/1375505981703036929

 

[MarkRedman]

I could see Earlington maybe ending up at Rutgers.


He played high school ball with Ron Harper Jr and they are good friends
This is certainly a possibility
 

 

[MCNPA]

Earlington think Pikiell gonna let him play shooting guard??? Hahahahaha

 

[Money]

“Posh -  On team
Stef  - Goes to Vermont.  Not officially on team
Pinzon - In HS.  Can still decommit
Champs - Testing Pro waters.  Are you sure he will be here Next Year
Wusu - On Team 
Stanley In HS can still decommit.
Traore - in HS.  Can still decommit.
Nywie - On Team

With all that has gone on I can not be certain those HS recruits will stay with SJ so I am not counting them.   You can count Champs.”

Absurd to speculate further.  Gotta count the true numbers of which I gave.  

Absolutely, no speculating on my part.  I will believe it when I see them on the official SJ Roster.  Until then they are maybe's based on what is occurring in our program right now.  These recruits agreed to come to SJ based on roster and bill of goods sold to them at the time they agreed to attend SJ.  That bill of goods has changed 100%.  What if we find a transfer that will fill the Pinzon role.  He might walk and could you blame him.  Nothing is the same at SJ when they signed on.

It absolutely is total speculation on your part!  What you just said above applies to every single school.  Specially this year.  What school is the same when said recruit signed on?  Considering there is an average of something like 5 players transferring from almost every school?  

The dramatics are insane!!
 

 

[gman]

https://twitter.com/nypost_brazille/status/1377356375211261964?s=21

 

[SJU61982]

Absolutely incredible.  I have no idea as to who is even on the team anymore.  The train is officially off the rails.  We might be better and we might be worse but I cannot continue to support this program.  A lack of stability indicates issues are running deeper than we all imagined.  I really like CMA but not sure what the heck is going on.  I get these were not his recruited players but the lack of any stability bothers me.  Pittsburgh situation looks way better than ours presently.

I can help you there:

Posh
Dylan
Stef
Maybe Julian
Plus the 3 guys coming in as freshman. Not sure what is going on with the mid-year transfer.

Thanks.  Maybe SJ can drop out of the BE and just form an intramural league.






 

Fortunately, the new season doesn't start for about another 7 1/2 months, so there's a ton of time to adequately shape the roster.

We haven't been able to field a team capable of winning 1 NCAA tournament game in 20 years and now we are okay with only 7.5 months.  You understand why I might be a little pessimistic?



 

Who said anything about being "okay?"  I said there is a ton of time to field a roster.  That's a fact!  

I understand you being pessimistic, but also you should be logical in your pessimistic rant (The winning of only one NCAA Tournament game in 20 years is a red herring).  That's all I'm saying.

It’s absolutely not a red herring.  We face significant barriers in our ability to recruit in large part bc we have no recent history of success.  CMA was gaining some momentum building the program with under the radar kids.  Many of those kids have left and now he essentially has to rebuild the team on the fly in several months.  Not a recipe for success.

To be fair, the only players he recruited that have left are Moore (who he clearly had his fill of), Cole (who was probably joined at the hip with Moore) and McGriff (a deep reserve).  The rest were all Mullin's players, who Anderson probably never would have recruited in the first place (although I do think he was pleasantly surprised by Williams and at times, Earlington).

Julian may well come back, so I'm not counting him yet, and if he goes pro, that's different, IMO.

 

[gman]

https://twitter.com/nypost_brazille/status/1377355569858629632?s=21

 

[Money]

Williams and Earlington are seniors next year and probably weren't going to be starters here. So they left for a place to showcase their skills. Doesn't seem far fetched to me. 

Stop making sense.
It's Anderson's fault the kids walked into the room and said they want to explore options.
It's Anderson's fault that he didn't beg a kid to stay so we can have someone sulking on the bench next year.
The nerve of him.

You forgot..
It's Andersons fault for not promising Earlington 30 minutes a game!

 

 

[Moose]

What I just don't get is kids transfer and posters come out of the woodwork blaming the coach.  Is the coach supposed to keep an unhappy kid around?  Is coach supposed to start them as Seniors because they are Seniors? I wished Greg and Marcellus well.  They gave us 3 years and want to try something else.  

Funny how nobody blames kids for leaving, because they are 'kids', right?  Can't have it both ways.

 

[Red Drum]

How many transfer from Villanova?

 

[Sherman Sheridan & Grant]

Personally I refuse to stress out about this for several reasons including
1.the fact that it’s a brave new world in college basketball and just about every school is going to have transfers
2.number two probably already said I think all of Coach Anderson’s recruits are staying except the 2 JCs
#3number three there’s so much time to let it play out.
#4 some of us have health, family and similar concerns which far outweigh SJU BBall 

we all want a winning team and good players, transfers can be unsettling and 
this “ wrinkle” will have pessimistic fans showing up, for sure
blessing to all of us 
 

 

[MainMan]

Earlington is not a surprise at all to me. 

He wants to be a starter. He wants to be the man, or at least a 2nd option. He doesn't want to be a sixth man.

And there was no way any of that was happening next year when the BE's leading scorer plays the same position as you. 

 

[WillyDilly]

https://twitter.com/nypost_brazille/status/1377356375211261964?s=21


I am confused as to what he thinks his best possible position is? Best possible position for what? To play professionally?  He isn't good enough to make the G-League, let alone the NBA. He was a decent player for us, but he's too slow to be a guard, and not big enough to play underneath. His best case scenario to play professionally is to hopefully catch on with some lower level league overseas. 
 

 

[Moose]

How many transfer from Villanova?

Let's compare a perennial NCAA team that has won National Championships.
Talk about apples and oranges.

Have you seen Syracuse the last few days.  And they played the 2nd week of the tournament.  How would you feel then?  Fire Boeheim?

 

[JackofVirginia]

“Posh -  On team
Stef  - Goes to Vermont.  Not officially on team
Pinzon - In HS.  Can still decommit
Champs - Testing Pro waters.  Are you sure he will be here Next Year
Wusu - On Team 
Stanley In HS can still decommit.
Traore - in HS.  Can still decommit.
Nywie - On Team

With all that has gone on I can not be certain those HS recruits will stay with SJ so I am not counting them.   You can count Champs.”

Absurd to speculate further.  Gotta count the true numbers of which I gave.  

Absolutely, no speculating on my part.  I will believe it when I see them on the official SJ Roster.  Until then they are maybe's based on what is occurring in our program right now.  These recruits agreed to come to SJ based on roster and bill of goods sold to them at the time they agreed to attend SJ.  That bill of goods has changed 100%.  What if we find a transfer that will fill the Pinzon role.  He might walk and could you blame him.  Nothing is the same at SJ when they signed on.


Pinson signed a NLI. He would have to be released by coach, but I get it that doesn't fit the narrative

You think that CMA would not let him out of his letter if he requested?  All I am saying are these recruits signed on assuming something totally different then what it looks like today.  It is not out of the realm of possibilities for them to ask out and would you blame them.  I hope they all stay.  I wished Earlington & Williams stayed.  



Why would Pinzon and the rest of the newbies  look to leave now, especially since they have a better chance of more playing time.

 

 

[MJDinkins]

It’s absolutely not a red herring.  We face significant barriers in our ability to recruit in large part bc we have no recent history of success.  CMA was gaining some momentum building the program with under the radar kids.  Many of those kids have left and now he essentially has to rebuild the team on the fly in several months.  Not a recipe for success.

A shocker that you're supporting a fallacy.  Not!  I'm not surprised you can't distinguish.   

Diverting attention and speaking of something irrelevant to the debate or argument is a red herring.  Speaking about what we've done or haven't done in regards to the NCAA Tournament in the last two decades when the general topic is about the current transfers is a red herring.    

Hell!  Redmen88 has been creating narratives about the team and its roster in his posts as well.  

Besides, I don't think anyone has said going forward that things will be a recipe for success.  But I'm also wise enough to see how things look once the dust settles.  Especially with the transfers being an epidemic of sorts in college basketball.

 

[billthetruth]

How many transfer from Villanova?

Let's compare a perennial NCAA team that has won National Championships.
Talk about apples and oranges.

Have you seen Syracuse the last few days.  And they played the 2nd week of the tournament.  How would you feel then?  Fire Boeheim?

The 5-star Alabama point guard on their Elite 8 team I think played on the Main Line?
When we lose some body of that caliber let me know Mr. Smith


 

 

[monte]

What I just don't get is kids transfer and posters come out of the woodwork blaming the coach.  Is the coach supposed to keep an unhappy kid around?  Is coach supposed to start them as Seniors because they are Seniors? I wished Greg and Marcellus well.  They gave us 3 years and want to try something else.  

Funny how nobody blames kids for leaving, because they are 'kids', right?  Can't have it both ways.

I don't hide in the woodwork. I have praised CMA plenty over the past 2  years, but how you and others can absolve him of blame for this mass exodus  is beyond me. The buck stops with the coach, and while it's way to soon to pass judgement on next year's team, what's going on right now is extremely worrisome. And rest assured, if he does not replace the defectors with better players, we will once again be on the outside looking in on selection Sunday. And I'm sure if that happens, a lot of our fan base will blame the system and the kids who left as the reason.