LoVett Future
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we are sju
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They all looked like Scarlett Johanson from what I can remember.
we are sju
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Whats best for me personally is for him to stay. I admit that
Maybe search for mature on Bing with the filter off and see what comes up.
Most old men would like to be 22 again. Because of the opportunities that the future might hold, because they squandered so many of their own. In this case it might mean that given the opportunity to do for free what you could do for money, you take the money. Especially if when you're 22 again you retain the wisdom you gained squandering those opportunities, like the realization that just because a liberal arts degree from St John's costs 250K, it's maybe not worth $250K. Especially when you consider the opportunity costs of squandering your prime earning years doing what you're skilled at for no pay and that the opportunity to attain a college degree is always there if you want one. As opposed to a professional BB career, which is a limited window of opportunity.
I understand that middle class people of a certain age were taught that a college degree was the ticket to the American dream. That might have been true 50 years ago when the majority of people didn't graduate from high school. It's not true now, when even barristas have masters degrees. The idea that everyone needs a college education is frankly ridiculous. Many people would be better off learning a trade when they get out of high school than taking some dopey course of study that does little than prepare them to get a second degree and further postpone their adulthood. Lovett already has a trade and he's pretty good at it and if wants to go ply it somewhere more power to him.
boo haarvey
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Touche
boo haarvey
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If you read my post carefully, you will see that I did not presume to tell Lovett what's best for him. How could I as I don't know him? What's more, I'm not speaking to him -- I'm speaking to a bunch of SJU fans on a message board like myself. Every day I read on this board posts about what players should do, what Mullin should do, what coaches should do, etc.? I kind of thought that was the whole point.
boo haarvey
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Of course, the problem with that logic is that basketball careers are fleeting, particularly if you're a 5'11 waif. Even for those athletes that make it to the upper echelon, many run out of money before they're 40. Studies suggest that this is attributed, at least in part, to a lack of education.
Going back to school at age 40, likely with children and a family to support, is no small task, particularly when you're not making a lot of money. We can debate how much a SJU liberal arts degree is worth, but what's not debatable is that it isn't so easy to get a well-paying job with nothing more than a high school diploma.
I also have a fundamental problem with the idea that most basketball players are only "skilled" at playing basketball. It becomes a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy when kids drop out of college to play basketball.
But it doesn't have to be that way. The fact of the matter is that athletic prowess opens the door for some of these kids to pursue academic opportunities that they would never otherwise would enjoy. I think it's a shame that kids tend to run for the quick money without seeing the forest through the trees.
As I said before, I don't know Marcus' circumstances. My background is likely very different than his, so of course what I am writing should be taken with a grain of salt. But in n my humble opinion, the decision to leave school early to play in the development league or abroad is often short-sighted
Yup. Fun makes valid points but it is not the "no-brainer" it appears on the surface, even if we completely ignore the personal value (which I don't at all) being the unique opportunity in life that 4 years of college with zero responsibilities other than training and playing ball and making grades offers. The clinical cost/value statistics clearly favor getting the degree in terms of lifelong earnings - and for the non-sports star, immediate earnings. All of the studies from college board to US Gov data, shows a large disparity in earnings, employment etc for college grads vs hs grads. This one specifically comments on Fun's "barista" comment:
another:
boo haarvey
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Good point. Next thing you know these weird grown men will be trolling the kids' social media to try and decipher their every tweet while other, only slightly less weird grown men, will clamor onto this website to try to decipher the avatar of a certain prophetic poster.
Two points for LoVett to consider in his decision;
1 Will another year at SJU make getting a degree possible with a reasonable amount of future work
2 Will another year at SJU give him even a small shot at being drafted by an NBA team next year
If the answer to both is no then he has to decide if the money this year is worth leaving for
1 Will another year at SJU make getting a degree possible with a reasonable amount of future work
2 Will another year at SJU give him even a small shot at being drafted by an NBA team next year
If the answer to both is no then he has to decide if the money this year is worth leaving for
Don't think I addressed my comment to anyone in particular but if you think the shoe fits, knock yourself out. I really wasn't addressing you at all but after reading back on your posts about how much greater it is playing in the NCAA for nothing as opposed to playing in Sioux Falls or Bejing for 75k, yeah I get your reaction.
I don't think I said its a no-brainer. I think I said that if he leaves it's not irrational. Which it isn't. And it's especially not irrational in his case because it seems highly unlikely that he stays four years and actually gets a degree. Because if he did he'd be 25 years old in a profession where the older you are the worse are your prospects for success.
Those statistics about lifetime earnings are a little misleading. Sure, computer programmers make more than line workers at McDonalds and skilled workers make more than unskilled ones. But plumbers make more than fine arts majors. So for everyone starting adult life 250K in debt in exchange for "4 years of college with zero responsibilities" might actually be the immature decision. Because maturity involves recognizing and accepting responsibility. Which might be why as your own link says:
"Today’s college graduates have more regrets than their elders. Survey respondents were presented with four things they could have done differently in college: getting more work experience, studying harder, looking for work sooner and picking a different major. Among people 18 to 32 with college degrees, 31 percent said they would have done three or all four of those things differently, compared to only 22 percent of Generation Xers and 17 percent of boomers."
Depends on the level of the league. Starting is frequently quoted as $65K-$100K plus accommodation and meals, plus tax forgiveness so that amount ends up being the net discretionary income.
D League salaries are going up to $50-75K next year from $19-25K (freaking criminal if you ask me) but without the other benefits.
I didn't mean to say that you said it was a no brainer. I was saying that a lot of what you say is legitimate and I agree with it especially when kids are going into massive debt to pay for college. It is like the modern version of indentured servitude to the government since not even bankruptcy is an option. I had this extended discussion a few years ago with a nephew who was hemming and hawing about going to a state school. For me going to college was a "no-brainer" but after he laid out all of the issues especially the debt - even for this highly regarded UC school and doing about two years of coursework at a Junior College, I saw that what he was saying was legitimate even at a state school for only 2 years he would accrue a ridiculous amount of debt.
So on the surface it is almost indisputable. But flesh it out a little more and the other argument is valid too then factor in being on scholarship R&B and the other benefits and college has a much stronger argument. Factor in how you might grow as a person and develop more tools for dealing with financial success even if just a few more years of maturity and there is that too. In both cases maturity is important. The other thing about this talk of "best earning years" kind of goes out the window for professional athletes when you factor in how poorly they do financially when their careers are over. I mentioned this before. Way more than half end up bankrupt within two years of retiring or being cut. The NFL it is over 80% within the first 2 years.
Anthony Mattia
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You are leaving out the risk, as in, if he stays is there a risk he gets hurt while playing for nothing and does not get a contract offer from anyone next year. That is something he has to weigh as well.
And for anyone who thinks 75k-100k per year is nothing, by all means pm me and I will give you my address so you can mail me the check.
boo haarvey
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I guess it depends on where you live. Living in NYC on $75k-100k with a family is no easy task. Certainly doesn't leave a lot of room to save for college.
beast of the east
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Kind of like the arrogance of telling an NBA player that 60% of them will be bankrupt within 5 years of ending their playing careers.
Bad decisions are bad decisions. Just about every single D1 player can play professionally somewhere in the world when they leave college, even after year 2, 3, or 4. Just about every D1 player will not play in the NBA or get rich playing overseas. Just about every D1 player with a degree will have higher career earning potential than those with no college. Just about everyone who ever made 100,000 knows its not a ton of money that will last a long time.
But hey, that's just me. You have an awful lot to say that's negative about everything that gets posted here. You criticize what people can and can't talk about, and most of your posts are self aggrandizing - you see things better. no one else can post an opinion because no one has a right to predict how a team will do because you will wait and see. No one can criticize Mullin because they aren't coaches. No one can speak about what a player can or can't do with their lives.
But you can call our players lazy defenders, and claim they aren't playing hard. Why, because well, you know better. You are so damned tedious.
Anthony Mattia
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NYC is one of the most expensive places to live in the country. That is not where LoVett would be going, unless the Knicks sign him, and that may be a possibility because lets face it, they have made worse moves. But I do understand your point, in NYC or most of LI, that would not be enough to live on, which is why I moved out of state.