Lavin Contract Extension

[Jack Williams]

Lavin is the most perfect fit for an nba coach.

Have you seen when during the game they go inside huddles during timeouts?

Zero game planning is involved, it's all just talking to the players. Lavin would be a perfect fit because you don't have to be a good game coach to make it in the nba, you really just need to get the players to play hard. Lavin is an excellent cheerleader. Woodson was able to do it when he first arrived at New York, but now the players aren't playing hard for him anymore.

With that being said, he's not going anywhere.

 

[Moose]

Lavin is the most perfect fit for an nba coach.

Have you seen when during the game they go inside huddles during timeouts?

Zero game planning is involved, it's all just talking to the players. Lavin would be a perfect fit because you don't have to be a good game coach to make it in the nba, you really just need to get the players to play hard. Lavin is an excellent cheerleader. Woodson was able to do it when he first arrived at New York, but now the players aren't playing hard for him anymore.

With that being said, he's not going anywhere.

I agree to an extent. But who are the best coaches in the NBA. Popovich, Thibideau, Vogel, etc.. They have plenty of X and O's in them. I agree motivation is a factor I just don't think Lavin and his philosophical quotes will motivate NBA players.

 

[paultzman]

Craig Carton is saying that the Knicks have 3 college coaches on their list: Calipari, Jay Wright, and Steve Lavin.

Maybe that's why the Johnnies are trying to lock him up

Hahaha
You think NBA players will listen to what Lavin says?

They also would not understand half of his "cliches".

 

[kranmars]

Craig Carton is saying that the Knicks have 3 college coaches on their list: Calipari, Jay Wright, and Steve Lavin.

Maybe that's why the Johnnies are trying to lock him up

Hahaha
You think NBA players will listen to what Lavin says?

They also would not understand half of his "cliches".

And don't forget, in the NBA Lavin would have to wear a tie. That is a non starter.

Yeah, that's right, I went there.

 

[Moose]

Craig Carton is saying that the Knicks have 3 college coaches on their list: Calipari, Jay Wright, and Steve Lavin.

Maybe that's why the Johnnies are trying to lock him up

Hahaha
You think NBA players will listen to what Lavin says?

They also would not understand half of his "cliches".

And don't forget, in the NBA Lavin would have to wear a tie. That is a non starter.

Yeah, that's right, I went there.

Jason Kidd doesn't wear a tie. Ironically when he stopped the Nets started playing well.

 

[kranmars]

Craig Carton is saying that the Knicks have 3 college coaches on their list: Calipari, Jay Wright, and Steve Lavin.

Maybe that's why the Johnnies are trying to lock him up

Hahaha
You think NBA players will listen to what Lavin says?

They also would not understand half of his "cliches".

And don't forget, in the NBA Lavin would have to wear a tie. That is a non starter.

Yeah, that's right, I went there.

Jason Kidd doesn't wear a tie. Ironically when he stopped the Nets started playing well.

Forgot about Kidd. Although, as a Knicks coach, he would have to wear a tie. It would probably be in his contract to wear a particular designer's suit and tie. I am sorry for bringing the tie thing back up. I will stop now, before this thread gets turned into a metrosexual discussion on fashion and what type of murse Lavin should carry.

 

[stjohnschris]

When I started at St John's, we were #4 in all time wins
Now we are #7 and falling
Looking at our storied past, we should be a top 25/borderline top 25 team every year
We should finish in the top half of our league every year
We should make a post season tournament (NCAA/NIT) every year, with the NIT being less the frequent of the two
An occasional Sweet 16 or better would be nice as well
I was alive for both Final Fours but only really remember one of them
I would love to see a least a third in my lifetime

It was the ineptitude of the administration after Looie left. Simply terrible at the time, almost inexcusable. St. John's discounted their asset and
it hurt them terribly. Syracuse has always prized their asset and acted accordingly.

Agreed 100%. It seemed that after Looie, the administration felt that we could put anyone on the sidelines and in the AD chair, and everything would be the same. I guess they had it too easy for too long, and after a few years of a failing program and ugly incidents, basketball was not a priority. At least with Lav here, it's a statement to the fans that SJU is once again serious about basketball. I was elated when he was announced as our new coach. No, I didn't realize his shortcomings as an in game coach, or that he was not a tactician, but we are back in the mix and the program is finally relevant again. An extension is the smart move, sooner the better. Massive upside for recruiting and a secure feeling for the players who are here now, even if they'll be gone in a year or two, it's a strong statement and vote of confidence. If I could dream, I would replace at least one assistant coach with someone who can fill the areas where coach is weak. Someone like...(I promise not to say a name)

 

[beast of the east]

Craig Carton is saying that the Knicks have 3 college coaches on their list: Calipari, Jay Wright, and Steve Lavin.

Maybe that's why the Johnnies are trying to lock him up

Just remember, a college contract really just binds the college to the coach - not the other way around. As soon as the coach publicly wants out, it makes no sense for the college to force him to stay. If the Knicks came calling with $4 million per year, Lavin could be gone.

I think Wright at Nova would take the long view. The situation is great for him, he's loved on campus, and has long term security unless the program crashes. In the pros he could fizzle and spend the rest of his career trying to re-establish himself.

 

[Chris7]

Craig Carton is saying that the Knicks have 3 college coaches on their list: Calipari, Jay Wright, and Steve Lavin.

Maybe that's why the Johnnies are trying to lock him up

Just remember, a college contract really just binds the college to the coach - not the other way around. As soon as the coach publicly wants out, it makes no sense for the college to force him to stay. If the Knicks came calling with $4 million per year, Lavin could be gone.

I think Wright at Nova would take the long view. The situation is great for him, he's loved on campus, and has long term security unless the program crashes. In the pros he could fizzle and spend the rest of his career trying to re-establish himself.

On the other side of that, Jay Wright is also beloved and very close with many of the top NCAA coaches, and if he were to fizzle out in the NBA, I am sure he could easily land on his feet at any premiere program and work his way up again. Getting Calipari out of college basketball would be a great thing ethically and morally!

 

[redstorm80]

Lavin is the most perfect fit for an nba coach.

Have you seen when during the game they go inside huddles during timeouts?

Zero game planning is involved, it's all just talking to the players. Lavin would be a perfect fit because you don't have to be a good game coach to make it in the nba, you really just need to get the players to play hard. Lavin is an excellent cheerleader. Woodson was able to do it when he first arrived at New York, but now the players aren't playing hard for him anymore.

With that being said, he's not going anywhere.

What they show on TV during those timeouts isn't what really goes on in those huddles. And dont know why you dont think you have to be a good game coach to make it in the NBA but that just isn't true. But like yo said, there is 0 chance Lavin gets an NBA head coaching job so all this speculation is pointless

 

[beast of the east]

Lavin is the most perfect fit for an nba coach.

Have you seen when during the game they go inside huddles during timeouts?

Zero game planning is involved, it's all just talking to the players. Lavin would be a perfect fit because you don't have to be a good game coach to make it in the nba, you really just need to get the players to play hard. Lavin is an excellent cheerleader. Woodson was able to do it when he first arrived at New York, but now the players aren't playing hard for him anymore.

With that being said, he's not going anywhere.

What they show on TV during those timeouts isn't what really goes on in those huddles. And dont know why you dont think you have to be a good game coach to make it in the NBA but that just isn't true. But like yo said, there is 0 chance Lavin gets an NBA head coaching job so all this speculation is pointless

Can you really vouch for Dolan thinking logically?

 

[frank]

THE RUMOR IS PHIL JACKSON FOR THE KNICK JOB

 

[redstorm80]

Lavin is the most perfect fit for an nba coach.

Have you seen when during the game they go inside huddles during timeouts?

Zero game planning is involved, it's all just talking to the players. Lavin would be a perfect fit because you don't have to be a good game coach to make it in the nba, you really just need to get the players to play hard. Lavin is an excellent cheerleader. Woodson was able to do it when he first arrived at New York, but now the players aren't playing hard for him anymore.

With that being said, he's not going anywhere.

What they show on TV during those timeouts isn't what really goes on in those huddles. And dont know why you dont think you have to be a good game coach to make it in the NBA but that just isn't true. But like yo said, there is 0 chance Lavin gets an NBA head coaching job so all this speculation is pointless

Can you really vouch for Dolan thinking logically?

Hahaha no not at all, but I highly, highly doubt Lavin would even be considered for the job

 

[beast of the east]

THE RUMOR IS PHIL JACKSON FOR THE KNICK JOB

I think the latest was that he turned down the HC job, and now the Knicks are after him for the front office. I would say grab him for the front office, and if he even smells that this could be a great team, he would jump in at some point and grab the HC reigns

 

[fan5577]

THE RUMOR IS PHIL JACKSON FOR THE KNICK JOB

That is a front office job not the coaching job. I don't know if Lavin sees himself as a Pro coach. It would be hard to turn down the money but it may not be his desire to coach at that level. This is also getting way out ahead of any real news.

 

[monte]

I think Lavin's worst enemy is Steve Lavin. He is always making statements that build up his players and while there is certainly nothing wrong with that I think many followers take him too seriously.
There are not four future pros on this roster (Sampson,Obepka,Sanchez,Jordan). Maybe one or two. Max and Mario are not two of the greatest shooters he has ever coached.
I expect if De la Rosa signs he will be equal to any center Lavin has ever coached.I just reread three pre season college mags and not one has SJU higher than fifth.

You do realize that "future pro" doesn't necessarily mean NBA, right?

On the other hand on the Redstorm Report show on SNY Lavin did say that Sanchez will be playing in the NBA, that's right a reserve averaging 7 pts a game will make the NBA. I happen to like Sanchez a lot but he gets killed by many posters on both boards. So for those that support Lavin in denying he makes some fairly outlandish statements and think CO is terrible even in college reconcile Lavin stating he will make the NBA. Side note to simplyred-i have commented on 3 of your latest posts. Let me assure you this is strictly coincidental. Actually I guess it is a bit of a compliment that your points warrant discussion.

Still not really sure what I think the future holds for Sanchez. Could def see him playing in Europe or D league. Although at 25 years old he's probably even a little old for D league. Possibly he gets a cup of coffee with an NBA team at some point. FWIW Kevin Williams was a reserve here and never averaged more than 10 PPG, yet he played in the league for 5 years. Yes Sanchez has not exactly impressed during his time here, but I wouldn't put to much importance on his stats. He's got a pro body and athleticism.

 

[fan5577]

I think Lavin's worst enemy is Steve Lavin. He is always making statements that build up his players and while there is certainly nothing wrong with that I think many followers take him too seriously.
There are not four future pros on this roster (Sampson,Obepka,Sanchez,Jordan). Maybe one or two. Max and Mario are not two of the greatest shooters he has ever coached.
I expect if De la Rosa signs he will be equal to any center Lavin has ever coached.I just reread three pre season college mags and not one has SJU higher than fifth.

You do realize that "future pro" doesn't necessarily mean NBA, right?

On the other hand on the Redstorm Report show on SNY Lavin did say that Sanchez will be playing in the NBA, that's right a reserve averaging 7 pts a game will make the NBA. I happen to like Sanchez a lot but he gets killed by many posters on both boards. So for those that support Lavin in denying he makes some fairly outlandish statements and think CO is terrible even in college reconcile Lavin stating he will make the NBA. Side note to simplyred-i have commented on 3 of your latest posts. Let me assure you this is strictly coincidental. Actually I guess it is a bit of a compliment that your points warrant discussion.

Still not really sure what I think the future holds for Sanchez. Could def see him playing in Europe or D league. Although at 25 years old he's probably even a little old for D league. Possibly he gets a cup of coffee with an NBA team at some point. FWIW Kevin Williams was a reserve here and never averaged more than 10 PPG, yet he played in the league for 5 years. Yes Sanchez has not exactly impressed during his time here, but I wouldn't put to much importance on his stats. He's got a pro body and athleticism.

Sanchez needed that 2nd year. If I recall even Brownlee was much improved in his second year.

 

[Moose]

I think Lavin's worst enemy is Steve Lavin. He is always making statements that build up his players and while there is certainly nothing wrong with that I think many followers take him too seriously.
There are not four future pros on this roster (Sampson,Obepka,Sanchez,Jordan). Maybe one or two. Max and Mario are not two of the greatest shooters he has ever coached.
I expect if De la Rosa signs he will be equal to any center Lavin has ever coached.I just reread three pre season college mags and not one has SJU higher than fifth.

You do realize that "future pro" doesn't necessarily mean NBA, right?

On the other hand on the Redstorm Report show on SNY Lavin did say that Sanchez will be playing in the NBA, that's right a reserve averaging 7 pts a game will make the NBA. I happen to like Sanchez a lot but he gets killed by many posters on both boards. So for those that support Lavin in denying he makes some fairly outlandish statements and think CO is terrible even in college reconcile Lavin stating he will make the NBA. Side note to simplyred-i have commented on 3 of your latest posts. Let me assure you this is strictly coincidental. Actually I guess it is a bit of a compliment that your points warrant discussion.

Still not really sure what I think the future holds for Sanchez. Could def see him playing in Europe or D league. Although at 25 years old he's probably even a little old for D league. Possibly he gets a cup of coffee with an NBA team at some point. FWIW Kevin Williams was a reserve here and never averaged more than 10 PPG, yet he played in the league for 5 years. Yes Sanchez has not exactly impressed during his time here, but I wouldn't put to much importance on his stats. He's got a pro body and athleticism.

Sanchez needed that 2nd year. If I recall even Brownlee was much improved in his second year.

And lets remember he played something like 3 games for his National Team and that cost him the 2nd year.

 

[monte]

For me, the question is (I think), with Lavin is it more likely we will be in the top half of the big east each year, or the bottom half? Do you expect that in a reasonable number of years, we will contend for the Big east conf title? Can Lavin deliver 5 or 6 NCAA bids over a ten year period. I think the answer to all of those questions is yes, and I don't know who we would hire that could offer the hope of more.

To me anything less than a NCAA tourney appearance and the season is not a success. So I for one would not be satisfied with a NCAA bid 5 or 6 years out of 10. 8 or 9 out of 10 I would accept. But to each his own.

you may know better than I. How many NCAA tourney appearances did we have under Carnesecca?

18 out of 24 seasons, I think. Probably would have been all 24 under the current tournament size.

I think 18 is correct. Thanks. With the growth in media, mid majors have been able to recruit much better, and there is more recruiting competition because of all of the conferences. After the drought we've had making 5 or 6 tourneys out of 10, compared to 7 or 8 under Carnesecca seems a reasonable expectation, at least to me.

But we all know that Lavin can recruit with the best of them. So the recruiting competition, especially from mid-majors, is not what I'm worried about. Yes some years he'll have more success than others. But if his first few years here are any indication, and if he gets his butt out to the local gyms more often, he'll continue to bring in the talent just as he did at UCLA.

With that in mind, actually I'd like to re-adjust my expectations: My expectation is that moving forward Lavin + Co. will figure out how to get the most out of the talent that he assembles. If that happens, then we will make the tourney far more seasons than not.

 

[beast of the east]

I think Lavin's worst enemy is Steve Lavin. He is always making statements that build up his players and while there is certainly nothing wrong with that I think many followers take him too seriously.
There are not four future pros on this roster (Sampson,Obepka,Sanchez,Jordan). Maybe one or two. Max and Mario are not two of the greatest shooters he has ever coached.
I expect if De la Rosa signs he will be equal to any center Lavin has ever coached.I just reread three pre season college mags and not one has SJU higher than fifth.

You do realize that "future pro" doesn't necessarily mean NBA, right?

On the other hand on the Redstorm Report show on SNY Lavin did say that Sanchez will be playing in the NBA, that's right a reserve averaging 7 pts a game will make the NBA. I happen to like Sanchez a lot but he gets killed by many posters on both boards. So for those that support Lavin in denying he makes some fairly outlandish statements and think CO is terrible even in college reconcile Lavin stating he will make the NBA. Side note to simplyred-i have commented on 3 of your latest posts. Let me assure you this is strictly coincidental. Actually I guess it is a bit of a compliment that your points warrant discussion.

Still not really sure what I think the future holds for Sanchez. Could def see him playing in Europe or D league. Although at 25 years old he's probably even a little old for D league. Possibly he gets a cup of coffee with an NBA team at some point. FWIW Kevin Williams was a reserve here and never averaged more than 10 PPG, yet he played in the league for 5 years. Yes Sanchez has not exactly impressed during his time here, but I wouldn't put to much importance on his stats. He's got a pro body and athleticism.

Too bad they eliminated the Legends game. At his age, he could have entered the NBA and went right to that game.