Lavin Commentary Rutgers Game

[fun]

Awful human being?
That is way beyond harsh. He did and does a lot for kids with cancer.

John Wayne Gacy used to get dressed up like a clown and visit children's hospitals, probably he was a good guy too.

 

[redfanUp9]

In other commenting related news, I was stuck in traffic for much of the first half last night.
Why does Brandon Tierney insist on referring to Chris as "Mully"? Where the hell did that come from?

This must be somewhat of a regionalism because it seems everyone associated with SJ dislikes this nickname, but it seems to be very common in the Warriors circles I frequent. Perhaps it started on the west coast?

 

[lawmanfan]

Move on, nothing to see here.

 

[beast of the east]

I am pretty neutral when it comes to Lavin. Did not think he was a good coach and found him irritating and in a word a poser.With that being said he was the third most successful coach of the program since I have been a fan and though I am all in on Mullin, don't understand the hatred?

Norm hatred I can understand. Jarvis though personally I don't feel it, I can understand. Lavin I kind of just shrug off.

It's pretty simple. Norm was a good guy who was a bad coach. Lavin is an awful human being and a mediocre coach. At least Norm tried. Lavin never did. And the whole time he wasn't trying he sat around whining because everyone wasn't as pleased with him as he is with himself.

Never understood the "nice guy" thing. In old BEB days when people would use that excuse for him I would want to smash the computer into my face. I am a nice guy but I don't think I should be coaching SJU basketball.

But again niceness not high on my lists of qualities in a basketball coach. Heck I liked Elite 8 team so much Jarvis gets a hatred pass from me.

I don't think see it as making an excuse. Norm, nice guy, bad coach, should not have been retained for being the former and should have been fired for being the latter. But that he was a bad coach doesn't mean he didn't have any redeeming qualities. Just like being a winning coach doesn't make Bob Knight a good guy. Lavin though is a simply fraud, both as a coach and as a person. He makes my skin crawl.

Norm was so far over his head as a head coach that people essentially gave him the "but he's a good guy" tag. A college coach said this of him "Norm couldn't coach for sh*t when he was the freshman coach at Molloy HS, couldn't coach at Queens College, and can't coach at SJU." Nice guy? He couldn't look himself in the mirror and admit he sucked because he would have to walk away from the biggest payday of his life. We were in such bad shape in his last season that there were whispers that SJU should drop out of the Big East because the program was dead. At the very least, Lavin got us pointed in the right direction - I give Norm no credit for that.

If Harrington wasn't such an inept cheapskate except when lavishing wealth on his chosen few, we'd never have had to endure 6 years of Norm.

 

[we are sju]

I am pretty neutral when it comes to Lavin. Did not think he was a good coach and found him irritating and in a word a poser.With that being said he was the third most successful coach of the program since I have been a fan and though I am all in on Mullin, don't understand the hatred?

Norm hatred I can understand. Jarvis though personally I don't feel it, I can understand. Lavin I kind of just shrug off.

It's pretty simple. Norm was a good guy who was a bad coach. Lavin is an awful human being and a mediocre coach. At least Norm tried. Lavin never did. And the whole time he wasn't trying he sat around whining because everyone wasn't as pleased with him as he is with himself.

Never understood the "nice guy" thing. In old BEB days when people would use that excuse for him I would want to smash the computer into my face. I am a nice guy but I don't think I should be coaching SJU basketball.

But again niceness not high on my lists of qualities in a basketball coach. Heck I liked Elite 8 team so much Jarvis gets a hatred pass from me.

I don't think see it as making an excuse. Norm, nice guy, bad coach, should not have been retained for being the former and should have been fired for being the latter. But that he was a bad coach doesn't mean he didn't have any redeeming qualities. Just like being a winning coach doesn't make Bob Knight a good guy. Lavin though is a simply fraud, both as a coach and as a person. He makes my skin crawl.

Low standards for me with SJU I guess. Lavin era gets a MEH from me at worst.

 

[redken]

Moose I see what you mean. (Not quoting your post cause the quotes were getting long). People think he had a much better coaching career here than he actually did.

If we are talking about him as a coach, I'm not gonna support him.

On the other hand people who didn't like him as a coach can get pretty personal and deep when critiquing the job he did. That's where I come to his defenses because I dont think its nessecary

Nice to see that someone so young can see things with such maturity.

 

[beast of the east]

I am pretty neutral when it comes to Lavin. Did not think he was a good coach and found him irritating and in a word a poser.With that being said he was the third most successful coach of the program since I have been a fan and though I am all in on Mullin, don't understand the hatred?

Norm hatred I can understand. Jarvis though personally I don't feel it, I can understand. Lavin I kind of just shrug off.

It's pretty simple. Norm was a good guy who was a bad coach. Lavin is an awful human being and a mediocre coach. At least Norm tried. Lavin never did. And the whole time he wasn't trying he sat around whining because everyone wasn't as pleased with him as he is with himself.

Never understood the "nice guy" thing. In old BEB days when people would use that excuse for him I would want to smash the computer into my face. I am a nice guy but I don't think I should be coaching SJU basketball.

But again niceness not high on my lists of qualities in a basketball coach. Heck I liked Elite 8 team so much Jarvis gets a hatred pass from me.

I don't think see it as making an excuse. Norm, nice guy, bad coach, should not have been retained for being the former and should have been fired for being the latter. But that he was a bad coach doesn't mean he didn't have any redeeming qualities. Just like being a winning coach doesn't make Bob Knight a good guy. Lavin though is a simply fraud, both as a coach and as a person. He makes my skin crawl.

Low standards for me with SJU I guess. Lavin era gets a MEH from me at worst.

The biggest unifying statement regarding Norm and Lavin is that we are better off both are gone.

 

[1and1sju]

I am pretty neutral when it comes to Lavin. Did not think he was a good coach and found him irritating and in a word a poser.With that being said he was the third most successful coach of the program since I have been a fan and though I am all in on Mullin, don't understand the hatred?

Norm hatred I can understand. Jarvis though personally I don't feel it, I can understand. Lavin I kind of just shrug off.

It's pretty simple. Norm was a good guy who was a bad coach. Lavin is an awful human being and a mediocre coach. At least Norm tried. Lavin never did. And the whole time he wasn't trying he sat around whining because everyone wasn't as pleased with him as he is with himself.

Never understood the "nice guy" thing. In old BEB days when people would use that excuse for him I would want to smash the computer into my face. I am a nice guy but I don't think I should be coaching SJU basketball.

But again niceness not high on my lists of qualities in a basketball coach. Heck I liked Elite 8 team so much Jarvis gets a hatred pass from me.

I don't think see it as making an excuse. Norm, nice guy, bad coach, should not have been retained for being the former and should have been fired for being the latter. But that he was a bad coach doesn't mean he didn't have any redeeming qualities. Just like being a winning coach doesn't make Bob Knight a good guy. Lavin though is a simply fraud, both as a coach and as a person. He makes my skin crawl.

Low standards for me with SJU I guess. Lavin era gets a MEH from me at worst.

The Lavin-era is not the same thing as Steve Lavin the coach and person.
Steve Lavin is a shyster. I think some posters confuse the absence of him saying aggressively derogatory things, with him being a good person. Blowing smoke up people's butts doesn't make you a nice guy. Quite the opposite in my estimation.

 

[fun]

Norm

Rats. I would have bet a testicle when I hit the send button that you were going to interrupt my fascinating conversation with good old SJU with another of your fresh takes on Norm's Queen's College record. Had I, I'd now have an extra testicle. And you never know when one of those is going to come in handy.

 

[Knight]

Norm was necessary medicine to detox from the Jarvis error. Norm was a poor coach. Lavin seemed disinterested and a poor coach. Staff, except Dunlap, was lazy.

Can we finally get past Lavin and what he did or did not do?

Let's enjoy the Mullin rebuild era.

Let's Go Redmen!
:woohoo:

 

[1and1sju]

In other commenting related news, I was stuck in traffic for much of the first half last night.
Why does Brandon Tierney insist on referring to Chris as "Mully"? Where the hell did that come from?

This must be somewhat of a regionalism because it seems everyone associated with SJ dislikes this nickname, but it seems to be very common in the Warriors circles I frequent. Perhaps it started on the west coast?

Interesting. I had not thought of that.
You may be right, maybe it's a west coast thing from his NBA days.

 

[we are sju]

I am pretty neutral when it comes to Lavin. Did not think he was a good coach and found him irritating and in a word a poser.With that being said he was the third most successful coach of the program since I have been a fan and though I am all in on Mullin, don't understand the hatred?

Norm hatred I can understand. Jarvis though personally I don't feel it, I can understand. Lavin I kind of just shrug off.

It's pretty simple. Norm was a good guy who was a bad coach. Lavin is an awful human being and a mediocre coach. At least Norm tried. Lavin never did. And the whole time he wasn't trying he sat around whining because everyone wasn't as pleased with him as he is with himself.

Never understood the "nice guy" thing. In old BEB days when people would use that excuse for him I would want to smash the computer into my face. I am a nice guy but I don't think I should be coaching SJU basketball.

But again niceness not high on my lists of qualities in a basketball coach. Heck I liked Elite 8 team so much Jarvis gets a hatred pass from me.

I don't think see it as making an excuse. Norm, nice guy, bad coach, should not have been retained for being the former and should have been fired for being the latter. But that he was a bad coach doesn't mean he didn't have any redeeming qualities. Just like being a winning coach doesn't make Bob Knight a good guy. Lavin though is a simply fraud, both as a coach and as a person. He makes my skin crawl.

Low standards for me with SJU I guess. Lavin era gets a MEH from me at worst.

The Lavin-era is not the same thing as Steve Lavin the coach and person.
Steve Lavin is a shyster. I think some posters confuse the absence of him saying aggressively derogatory things, with him being a good person. Blowing smoke up people's butts doesn't make you a nice guy. Quite the opposite in my estimation.

See this is just silly. He was not Jarvis or Fran. He was a self promoter and at worst annoying. He did not do anything off the court to embarrass the school and honestly w/o a clear upgrade at coach or at the very least the face of the program to take over he probably did just enough on the court to warrant an extension.

I do think if he had been extended it would have ended poorly.

 

[beast of the east]

Norm was necessary medicine to detox from the Jarvis error. Norm was a poor coach. Lavin seemed disinterested and a poor coach. Staff, except Dunlap, was lazy.

Can we finally get past Lavin and what he did or did not do?

Let's enjoy the Mullin rebuild era.

Let's Go Redmen!
:woohoo:

Father Daly could have detoxified the Jarvis dump, but alas, he couldn't coach either. At least he was definitely a good guy though.

 

[MJDinkins]

Awful human being?
That is way beyond harsh. He did and does a lot for kids with cancer. Ton of people came up to him last night he signed autographs took pictures. Sounds like a real terrible guy.

And Rabinowitz - grow up, you go to games and act like a 2 year old behind the bench. More in life than college basketball suggest you get out more.

Some of these dudes are miserable people, Buck. They tell me more about themselves than it does about Lavin. A handful of 'em need to get out more, and get a freakin' life.

 

[Red.Fans]

I give more defense to Norm for the simple reason that at that point in time in the wake of the Jarvis disaster, we needed a good guy. It was a transition. Big names were not exactly lining up and they took a chance on a guy with a good coaching pedigree who was and still is considered one of the better recruiters. Lavin there is zero excuse for the last 3 years of his recruiting and leaving the 15-16 season completely in the lurch. Objectively speaking, No way to explain it and no way to excuse it and in some real ways, St John's did him a favor by firing him.

Sure he is a good schmoozer and is exceptional about getting people to like him, but doesn't seem like he put in an honest effort for the job he accepted and using one of his words, it seems to me that the local coaches gave him open arms to start which is rare and in return he snubbed them. That is no way to be an "Ambassador"

 

[we are sju]

I give more defense to Norm for the simple reason that at that point in time in the wake of the Jarvis disaster, we needed a good guy. It was a transition. Big names were not exactly lining up and they took a chance on a guy with a good coaching pedigree who was and still is considered one of the better recruiters. Lavin there is zero excuse for the last 3 years of his recruiting and leaving the 15-16 season completely in the lurch. Objectively speaking, No way to explain it and no way to excuse it and in some real ways, St John's did him a favor by firing him.

Sure he is a good schmoozer and is exceptional about getting people to like him, but doesn't seem like he put in an honest effort for the job he accepted and using one of his words, it seems to me that the local coaches gave him open arms to start which is rare and in return he snubbed them. That is no way to be an "Ambassador"

Firing him and bringing in a clearly better coach or Chris Mullin(who I do think will be better, but even if it turns out he sucks, he is Chris Mullin)makes sense. Judging Lavin after fact he gets a what C, C plus maybe. My only point with him is I think the disdain after the fact is not warranted. Norm and Jarvis maybe even Mahoney I get. With Lavin seems unnecessary

 

[Sleek718]

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keep hatin' boys.

 

[sirvoo]

I think all of our eyes will open RE: how much impact a coach has in college bball. In the NBA they have none. In college they are everything. If this staff had Lav's roster the previous four years, I'm convinced we would've been in the tournament 3 times and made a run. So expect the same in the next 4 years when this roster really starts coming together next season. With Lav in a jumpsuit last night, we lose that game by 19.

 

[we are sju]

I think all of our eyes will open RE: how much impact a coach has in college bball. In the NBA they have none. In college they are everything. If this staff had Lav's roster the previous four years, I'm convinced we would've been in the tournament 3 times and made a run. So expect the same in the next 4 years when this roster really starts coming together next season. With Lav in a jumpsuit last night, we lose that game by 19.

Yeah Popovich really has no impact?? Might be the best coach in any sport

 

[beast of the east]

Norm

Rats. I would have bet a testicle when I hit the send button that you were going to interrupt my fascinating conversation with good old SJU with another of your fresh takes on Norm's Queen's College record. Had I, I'd now have an extra testicle. And you never know when one of those is going to come in handy.

Yup. Bottom line, Lavin, if we wants will get hired again as a head coach. Roberts will not.