Landing Spots for SJU Transfers

[mm52]

Manhattan is a great landing spot for Josh.   It's good to see that apparently he wanted to stay in the NYC metro area.  I too will root for Manhattan. 

 

[PharmDJohnnie11]

https://twitter.com/zay_bucks11/status/1384015910487265288?s=10

Didn’t see this coming at all. I thought a few weeks ago he cut his list to Florida and Cinci and he ends up there? 

Would have to think maybe these schools caught wind of his awful comments and rants and didn’t want to take the chance? Very puzzling. 

 

[Sjugrad13]

So that is now: Southern Miss, San Diego, Manhattan college, Louisiana Lafayette & High Point. 

Yeah Mike Anderson needs a contract extension.

 

[gman]

So that is now: Southern Miss, San Diego, Manhattan college, Louisiana Lafayette & High Point. 

Yeah Mike Anderson needs a contract extension.

Yeah and completely ignore the high level of talent that replaced them...

 

[MainMan]

I hated IM's game when he first showed up. He seemed like a soft PF trying to be a SG. 

And then MA moved him to the bench and he thrived. In short: Don't create your own shot, get in the paint and be ready to catch some passes. 

And he did. I haven't seen hands as good or an explosiveness to the basket since Moe Harkless. 

If he had his head on straight, he'd be competing for an all BE team next season. 

Sigh.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

I hated IM's game when he first showed up. He seemed like a soft PF trying to be a SG. 

And then MA moved him to the bench and he thrived. In short: Don't create your own shot, get in the paint and be ready to catch some passes. 

And he did. I haven't seen hands as good or an explosiveness to the basket since Moe Harkless. 

If he had his head on straight, he'd be competing for an all BE team next season. 

Sigh.

+1 agree all the way through. And even tho some of the additions skill set give me pause, transformations like we saw from Moore being used efficiently, give me hope CMA will do the same for Wheeler snd Mathis.

 

[MCNPA]

I hated IM's game when he first showed up. He seemed like a soft PF trying to be a SG. 

And then MA moved him to the bench and he thrived. In short: Don't create your own shot, get in the paint and be ready to catch some passes. 

And he did. I haven't seen hands as good or an explosiveness to the basket since Moe Harkless. 

If he had his head on straight, he'd be competing for an all BE team next season. 

Sigh.

+1 agree all the way through. And even tho some of the additions skill set give me pause, transformations like we saw from Moore being used efficiently, give me hope CMA will do the same for Wheeler snd Mathis.

Wheeler and Mathis are both very good players that were just poor fits for their respective teams imo.  Both kids are quite talented and were big contributors despite some of the numbers.  I think people will be pleasantly surprised.  Both teams didn’t want to lose those guys despite the banter.  

Back on track though, good level for him where he can get to get those minutes he wants. 

 

[Amaseinyourface]

I hated IM's game when he first showed up. He seemed like a soft PF trying to be a SG. 

And then MA moved him to the bench and he thrived. In short: Don't create your own shot, get in the paint and be ready to catch some passes. 

And he did. I haven't seen hands as good or an explosiveness to the basket since Moe Harkless. 

If he had his head on straight, he'd be competing for an all BE team next season. 

Sigh.

+1 agree all the way through. And even tho some of the additions skill set give me pause, transformations like we saw from Moore being used efficiently, give me hope CMA will do the same for Wheeler snd Mathis.

Wheeler and Mathis are both very good players that were just poor fits for their respective teams imo.  Both kids are quite talented and were big contributors despite some of the numbers.  I think people will be pleasantly surprised.  Both teams didn’t want to lose those guys despite the banter.  

Back on track though, good level for him where he can get to get those minutes he wants. 

I don’t doubt they are good players. And I hope they are great for us. But they were not efficient in their previous roles and I would rather not have sub 30% 3 pt shooters take more 3’s than our 45% shooter did. Wheeler for example was incredibly effective inside the arc (61%!) while being sub 30 from 3. The bigger problem is he took 2x as many shots from 3 than he did inside the arc. Mathis is a career sub 30% shooter from deep and he took 16 more 3s than Greg. 15% less from deep and took 16 more than him. Those things will hopefully change and I don’t doubt that CMA will insist that they do.

 

[MCNPA]

I hated IM's game when he first showed up. He seemed like a soft PF trying to be a SG. 

And then MA moved him to the bench and he thrived. In short: Don't create your own shot, get in the paint and be ready to catch some passes. 

And he did. I haven't seen hands as good or an explosiveness to the basket since Moe Harkless. 

If he had his head on straight, he'd be competing for an all BE team next season. 

Sigh.

+1 agree all the way through. And even tho some of the additions skill set give me pause, transformations like we saw from Moore being used efficiently, give me hope CMA will do the same for Wheeler snd Mathis.

Wheeler and Mathis are both very good players that were just poor fits for their respective teams imo.  Both kids are quite talented and were big contributors despite some of the numbers.  I think people will be pleasantly surprised.  Both teams didn’t want to lose those guys despite the banter.  

Back on track though, good level for him where he can get to get those minutes he wants. 

I don’t doubt they are good players. And I hope they are great for us. But they were not efficient in their previous roles and I would rather not have sub 30% 3 pt shooters take more 3’s than our 45% shooter did. Wheeler for example was incredibly effective inside the arc (61%!) while being sub 30 from 3. The bigger problem is he took 2x as many shots from 3 than he did inside the arc. Mathis is a career sub 30% shooter from deep and he took 16 more 3s than Greg. 15% less from deep and took 16 more than him. Those things will hopefully change and I don’t doubt that CMA will insist that they do.

Both came from very deliberate, half-court offenses that didn’t really suit their running style.  Cma reigned Moore in and I think you will see similar with Wheeler who is quite talented.  Both will take their shots in the flow of the game much more I believe.  Despite percentages, Mathis is a dangerous scorer and hard to stop.  If he gets to play his game in the context of our offense I have no doubt his production will be increased because he will be getting his offense in transition a lot more. Something he’s suited for.  

 

[Amaseinyourface]

MCN, I’m right there with you hoping they are great at sju and that the system and CMA lead to that. But honestly, what about Mathis tells you that he is a “dangerous scorer who is hard to stop”? Everything about him so far says he’s an inefficient scorer from all three levels, the FT line, and through 3 years has yet to show any propensity to distribute the ball. So If you’re an off guard who doesn’t create for anyone else, doesn’t shoot well off the catch, finishes sub 40% inside the arc and struggles to make FT, you better be extremely good in the open court and a stud defensively. Or else it’s gonna be hard to get minutes in second half of close games. 

The first 9 games of the season he was averaging over 15 pts. Playing against some good teams. That’s a solid sample size and reason to be optimistic. But took a look at his numbers the last 19 games of the year. 

4.89 pts
2.16 rebs
.42 assists 
.53 steals 
.89 TO’s

.35 fg%
.19 3p%
.65 ft%

I want Mathis to be awesome at sju, hoping he is, but I’m just wondering what he has done that makes people so confident in him being an upgrade over Dunn and Williams. Both those guys were good defenders. 

-mods sorry if this is wrong spot to post this!

 

[MCNPA]

MCN, I’m right there with you hoping they are great at sju and that the system and CMA lead to that. But honestly, what about Mathis tells you that he is a “dangerous scorer who is hard to stop”? Everything about him so far says he’s an inefficient scorer from all three levels, the FT line, and through 3 years has yet to show any propensity to distribute the ball. So If you’re an off guard who doesn’t create for anyone else, doesn’t shoot well off the catch, finishes sub 40% inside the arc and struggles to make FT, you better be extremely good in the open court and a stud defensively. Or else it’s gonna be hard to get minutes in second half of close games. 

The first 9 games of the season he was averaging over 15 pts. Playing against some good teams. That’s a solid sample size and reason to be optimistic. But took a look at his numbers the last 19 games of the year. 

4.89 pts
2.16 rebs
.42 assists 
.53 steals 
.89 TO’s

.35 fg%
.19 3p%
.65 ft%

I want Mathis to be awesome at sju, hoping he is, but I’m just wondering what he has done that makes people so confident in him being an upgrade over Dunn and Williams. Both those guys were good defenders. 

-mods sorry if this is wrong spot to post this!

you can go on the Rutgers boards and they tell you why they believe numbers dropped.  His minutes dropped,  playing with the second team etc. Not for this thread.  There’s efficiency and capability/productivity.  Greg Williams was incredibly efficient, but lacked in other areas so he never gave us the guy we needed consistently.  I think Mathis’ motor and physician ability at both ends of the court can translate and he can become more efficient, but even when he was inefficient he was dropping double digits nightly on Big Ten teams.  Gotta just harness the lightning.
 

 

[Amaseinyourface]

MCN, I’m right there with you hoping they are great at sju and that the system and CMA lead to that. But honestly, what about Mathis tells you that he is a “dangerous scorer who is hard to stop”? Everything about him so far says he’s an inefficient scorer from all three levels, the FT line, and through 3 years has yet to show any propensity to distribute the ball. So If you’re an off guard who doesn’t create for anyone else, doesn’t shoot well off the catch, finishes sub 40% inside the arc and struggles to make FT, you better be extremely good in the open court and a stud defensively. Or else it’s gonna be hard to get minutes in second half of close games. 

The first 9 games of the season he was averaging over 15 pts. Playing against some good teams. That’s a solid sample size and reason to be optimistic. But took a look at his numbers the last 19 games of the year. 

4.89 pts
2.16 rebs
.42 assists 
.53 steals 
.89 TO’s

.35 fg%
.19 3p%
.65 ft%

I want Mathis to be awesome at sju, hoping he is, but I’m just wondering what he has done that makes people so confident in him being an upgrade over Dunn and Williams. Both those guys were good defenders. 

-mods sorry if this is wrong spot to post this!

you can go on the Rutgers boards and they tell you why they believe numbers dropped.  His minutes dropped,  playing with the second team etc. Not for this thread.  There’s efficiency and capability/productivity.  Greg Williams was incredibly efficient, but lacked in other areas so he never gave us the guy we needed consistently.  I think Mathis’ motor and physician ability at both ends of the court can translate and he can become more efficient, but even when he was inefficient he was dropping double digits nightly on Big Ten teams.  Gotta just harness the lightning.




 

“Dropping double digits nightly on big 10 teams” this is the problem! Completely untrue and creates an unfair narrative about the player we are getting. .

He scored 7.4 pts in conference games shooting 37%. He scored double figures in just 5 B10 games while scoring 6 points or less 12 times. And the Rutgers boards have just as much comments saying he was guy who took poor shots and didn’t pass. So have it either way there. I’m just looking at the numbers and I see nothing that tells me he is definitively an upgrade over our backcourt from last year.

 

[Money]

Good riddance!  Regardless of talent, won't miss him

 

[mm52]

I hated IM's game when he first showed up. He seemed like a soft PF trying to be a SG. 

And then MA moved him to the bench and he thrived. In short: Don't create your own shot, get in the paint and be ready to catch some passes. 

And he did. I haven't seen hands as good or an explosiveness to the basket since Moe Harkless. 

If he had his head on straight, he'd be competing for an all BE team next season. 

Sigh.
 

I agree IM could be special, and I wish it could have been here.  I guess he did not want to tinker with what he thought his game could/should be.  I remember hearing that he developed first as a PG and still has that mentality despite shooting up to 6'10."  Good luck to him at So Miss, where he could be a focal point on offense.

 

 

[mm52]

Manhattan is a great landing spot for Josh.   It's good to see that apparently he wanted to stay in the NYC metro area.  I too will root for Manhattan. 
 

And it was interesting to read that JR likes Manhattan so he can showcase his offensive talents, rather than being viewed solely as a defensive player. 

 

[NCJohnnie]

Am I right that Cole and McGriff are still waiting to land somewhere? 

 

[Mullins Revenge]

Another one of our guys commits to a no name school.  Cole and Mcgriff will follow the same path and then every single guy who left us transferred waaaaaaaaaaaay down.

I thought at least a few of these kids would go to a decent school.  

 

[BrooklynRed]

Question about "transfer portal".  Since McGriff and Cole have not moved on yet can they return, similar to those testing the NBA?  If Champ does move on, would that open more time for Cole at the 3 and McGriff might be the backup PG/ballhandler answer.

 

[Mullins Revenge]

Question about "transfer portal".  Since McGriff and Cole have not moved on yet can they return, similar to those testing the NBA?  If Champ does move on, would that open more time for Cole at the 3 and McGriff might be the backup PG/ballhandler answer.

I would think that the program has moved on and has no desire for either of these 2.  

 

[IDRAFT]

Question about "transfer portal".  Since McGriff and Cole have not moved on yet can they return, similar to those testing the NBA?  If Champ does move on, would that open more time for Cole at the 3 and McGriff might be the backup PG/ballhandler answer.

I would think that the program has moved on and has no desire for either of these 2.  

I agree that Cole and McGriff will not be back. But just to answer the other part of Brooklyns questions regarding the portal - if they wanted to return and SJU wanted them back it is allowed.