Jermaine Lawrence

Handler is the wild card. Hopefully she sees the benefits of SJU outweighing those other local programs. I believe we get him, but any process with her involved may defy logic. I was told yesterday that Lavin is working hard on preparing for potential appeal. Tea leaves look positive in my opinion for getting him. An appeal is always a crap shoot, but the rationale seems reasonable. Fingers crossed.
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She is the only reason he did not sign with SJ so she screwed him once already. If he lets it happen again we would be better off than having that kind of baggage around the program. Kid needs time to develop and it would be like getting Jakarr back without the hops or offense.
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If we get him, staff will have their hands full with handler. Apparently she was no day at the beach with Cronin & staff. That said, maybe she fades in this relationship as JL matures. If not, staff will have to deal with her. All in all, I believe he is worth the headache. Staff gets paid well to deal with such crap. Easy for me to say. :)
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Yes, the staff will have their hands full. During the season, Lawrence's twitter account sent out a tweet critical of Cronin, which appears to have come from the handler. (Or so these Cincy fans speculate).

 
This has "red flag" written all over it, but the potential is so high and the alternative could spell a very mediocre season, so the staff is going for it. I like the starting lineup on paper with Lawrence there but wonder about the outside stuff.
 
I do not understand the hype surrounding this player right now on this board. Sure we need depth and all that, whatever. The same people who complain tons about how all we have is athletes blah blah blah, want Lawrence. He is another athlete. Thomas was a step in the right direction, but then I wanted us to land a guy who can play the 3 and shoot it consistently. Not this guy. I am sorry, but I just do not want him. When news first came out that he wanted out of UC, I was excited. But after looking at stats, multiple past injuries, off court issues, inability to shoot FTs, his longing to be Kevin Durant, and game film I am just not at all thrilled to get him.

I'm all for landing a 6'9 transfer. If he plays like he is 6'9 and gets under the hoop for boards and post moves.

But this nonsense with him wanting to be a 3 and wanting to be KD is just not needed on this team right now.

Listen, none of you guys will probably agree cause we are doing our usual thing here: over hyping recruits/transfers

This guy sounds like another Sanchez who is going to hang around the three point line and not understand his role. If we do get him, great, I hope he proves me wrong, I will gladly eat crow on this if he turns into a great player, but I just am skeptical about this player, and will not be upset in the least if he picks another school.

Just my two cents on this topic, again I hope I am proved wrong.
 
I do not understand the hype surrounding this player right now on this board. Sure we need depth and all that, whatever. The same people who complain tons about how all we have is athletes blah blah blah, want Lawrence. He is another athlete. Thomas was a step in the right direction, but then I wanted us to land a guy who can play the 3 and shoot it consistently. Not this guy. I am sorry, but I just do not want him. When news first came out that he wanted out of UC, I was excited. But after looking at stats, multiple past injuries, off court issues, inability to shoot FTs, his longing to be Kevin Durant, and game film I am just not at all thrilled to get him.

I'm all for landing a 6'9 transfer. If he plays like he is 6'9 and gets under the hoop for boards and post moves.

But this nonsense with him wanting to be a 3 and wanting to be KD is just not needed on this team right now.

Listen, none of you guys will probably agree cause we are doing our usual thing here: over hyping recruits/transfers

This guy sounds like another Sanchez who is going to hang around the three point line and not understand his role. If we do get him, great, I hope he proves me wrong, I will gladly eat crow on this if he turns into a great player, but I just am skeptical about this player, and will not be upset in the least if he picks another school.

Just my two cents on this topic, again I hope I am proved wrong.
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I don't anyone would argue with that logic but personally it feels like with Thomas, De La Bros and Obekpa we can afford to have him be a sf. We didn't have that luxury this year which really hurt is when Sampson/Sanchez wanted to play small ball.
 
I do not understand the hype surrounding this player right now on this board. Sure we need depth and all that, whatever. The same people who complain tons about how all we have is athletes blah blah blah, want Lawrence. He is another athlete. Thomas was a step in the right direction, but then I wanted us to land a guy who can play the 3 and shoot it consistently. Not this guy. I am sorry, but I just do not want him. When news first came out that he wanted out of UC, I was excited. But after looking at stats, multiple past injuries, off court issues, inability to shoot FTs, his longing to be Kevin Durant, and game film I am just not at all thrilled to get him.

I'm all for landing a 6'9 transfer. If he plays like he is 6'9 and gets under the hoop for boards and post moves.

But this nonsense with him wanting to be a 3 and wanting to be KD is just not needed on this team right now.

Listen, none of you guys will probably agree cause we are doing our usual thing here: over hyping recruits/transfers

This guy sounds like another Sanchez who is going to hang around the three point line and not understand his role. If we do get him, great, I hope he proves me wrong, I will gladly eat crow on this if he turns into a great player, but I just am skeptical about this player, and will not be upset in the least if he picks another school.

Just my two cents on this topic, again I hope I am proved wrong.
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I don't anyone would argue with that logic but personally it feels like with Thomas, De La Bros and Obekpa we can afford to have him be a sf. We didn't have that luxury this year which really hurt is when Sampson/Sanchez wanted to play small ball.
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Gman is right. What are our options at SF anyway? SirDom and ? There are no top 100's left on the board. Lawrence is still a good player, regardless of the fact that he had a lackluster first season and some injuries. He's a PF/SF type, but he's also a kid who I think has his best basketball in front of him. People like to malign Sanchez! But his stats were solid and he was still a matchup problem for players trying to guard him. Lawrence is a very athletic 6'9" forward who is far from unskilled.

I'm tired of always saying. "Next year" when it comes to putting a competitive team out there. We don't have the luxury of turning down a soph who was a top 25 player. In addition, we have several scholarships and nothing at all to lose here. He would give us tremendous length up front. We'd have two 7 footers with the delarosa's, Obekpa and Lawrence at 6'9", Thomas etc... Add that to a very good backcourt and we can become trouble for teams again.

Lawrence has a ways to go to and still has to prove himself, which is fine. He's skilled and athletic. Would be a big pickup for us st this point. The onus is on the kid to pick up his game, not us to miraculously make him Durant. He deserves a chance to do so and prove he can get it done, whether as a PF or SF.
 
I do not understand the hype surrounding this player right now on this board. Sure we need depth and all that, whatever. The same people who complain tons about how all we have is athletes blah blah blah, want Lawrence. He is another athlete. Thomas was a step in the right direction, but then I wanted us to land a guy who can play the 3 and shoot it consistently. Not this guy. I am sorry, but I just do not want him. When news first came out that he wanted out of UC, I was excited. But after looking at stats, multiple past injuries, off court issues, inability to shoot FTs, his longing to be Kevin Durant, and game film I am just not at all thrilled to get him.

I'm all for landing a 6'9 transfer. If he plays like he is 6'9 and gets under the hoop for boards and post moves.

But this nonsense with him wanting to be a 3 and wanting to be KD is just not needed on this team right now.

Listen, none of you guys will probably agree cause we are doing our usual thing here: over hyping recruits/transfers

This guy sounds like another Sanchez who is going to hang around the three point line and not understand his role. If we do get him, great, I hope he proves me wrong, I will gladly eat crow on this if he turns into a great player, but I just am skeptical about this player, and will not be upset in the least if he picks another school.

Just my two cents on this topic, again I hope I am proved wrong.
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I don't anyone would argue with that logic but personally it feels like with Thomas, De La Bros and Obekpa we can afford to have him be a sf. We didn't have that luxury this year which really hurt is when Sampson/Sanchez wanted to play small ball.
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I know, but what evidence suggests that he can excel at the 3? This is just some desire of his, is there any proof he actually can play as a perimeter player? Until there is some proof that suggests he can I will remain skeptical on him.
 
He's a high major recruit who has way more skill than Sanchez. He was a big prospect coming out of high school and if he thinks team first he could be great. He fits right into the line up at small forward. Can he handle that spot and deal with the distractions and focus on the right things? That's the question that the coaching staff has to work with him on.
 
He's a high major recruit who has way more skill than Sanchez. He was a big prospect coming out of high school and if he thinks team first he could be great. He fits right into the line up at small forward. Can he handle that spot and deal with the distractions and focus on the right things? That's the question that the coaching staff has to work with him on.
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+1. Kid with a ceiling as high as Lawerence is a no brainer for almost any coaching staff in the country. He's not Anthony Davis or Carmelo Anthony, but he still has the tools to be stud college player.
 
It seems pretty simple...if we land him everyone will be happy. If he goes to Iona or elsewhere in the tri-state region, best of luck to him, and we're far from devastated.
 
I do not understand the hype surrounding this player right now on this board. Sure we need depth and all that, whatever. The same people who complain tons about how all we have is athletes blah blah blah, want Lawrence. He is another athlete. Thomas was a step in the right direction, but then I wanted us to land a guy who can play the 3 and shoot it consistently. Not this guy. I am sorry, but I just do not want him. When news first came out that he wanted out of UC, I was excited. But after looking at stats, multiple past injuries, off court issues, inability to shoot FTs, his longing to be Kevin Durant, and game film I am just not at all thrilled to get him.

I'm all for landing a 6'9 transfer. If he plays like he is 6'9 and gets under the hoop for boards and post moves.

But this nonsense with him wanting to be a 3 and wanting to be KD is just not needed on this team right now.

Listen, none of you guys will probably agree cause we are doing our usual thing here: over hyping recruits/transfers

This guy sounds like another Sanchez who is going to hang around the three point line and not understand his role. If we do get him, great, I hope he proves me wrong, I will gladly eat crow on this if he turns into a great player, but I just am skeptical about this player, and will not be upset in the least if he picks another school.

Just my two cents on this topic, again I hope I am proved wrong.
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I don't anyone would argue with that logic but personally it feels like with Thomas, De La Bros and Obekpa we can afford to have him be a sf. We didn't have that luxury this year which really hurt is when Sampson/Sanchez wanted to play small ball.
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I know, but what evidence suggests that he can excel at the 3? This is just some desire of his, is there any proof he actually can play as a perimeter player? Until there is some proof that suggests he can I will remain skeptical on him.
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Again, Cincy's offense was Kilpatrick chuck & pray.

The few Cincy games I watched last year, he did nothing on offense. Hence the 2 PPG.

If he comes in and like Moe takes the ball to the hole, we're good.
If he comes in and like Jakarr launches it without fail, we're screwed.

Neither Moe nor Jakarr shot it well from the perimeter. But Moe didn't just rely on that. Jakarr did.

JL is well worth the "risk" because SJU seems to be where his heart always was since high school.

Curious to know who you'd like to just plug in at the 3 that would somehow be better.
 
Obviously, I hope we land Jermaine
If we do, I hope he is a far more productive player than the last guy we had with the same surname
 
Obviously, I hope we land Jermaine
If we do, I hope he is a far more productive player than the last guy we had with the same surname
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Ouch. Unnecessary did at Eugene. It's not his fault he was a mid-major caliber player playing in the Big East. Who would turn that down?

If I remember, didn't Lawrence get recruited as a 3/4 hybrid. I remember him being able to shoot from mid range.
 
Obviously, I hope we land Jermaine
If we do, I hope he is a far more productive player than the last guy we had with the same surname
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Ouch. Unnecessary did at Eugene. It's not his fault he was a mid-major caliber player playing in the Big East. Who would turn that down?

If I remember, didn't Lawrence get recruited as a 3/4 hybrid. I remember him being able to shoot from mid range.
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When he was healthy junior year and that summer = Beast

 
Obviously, I hope we land Jermaine
If we do, I hope he is a far more productive player than the last guy we had with the same surname
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Ouch. Unnecessary did at Eugene. It's not his fault he was a mid-major caliber player playing in the Big East. Who would turn that down?

If I remember, didn't Lawrence get recruited as a 3/4 hybrid. I remember him being able to shoot from mid range.
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Thought he was talking about Omari, not Eugene.
 
I thought he was talking about the player who injured his knee in the Midnight Madness dunk contest under Norm, and eventually played his senior year at K State.
 
I do not understand the hype surrounding this player right now on this board. Sure we need depth and all that, whatever. The same people who complain tons about how all we have is athletes blah blah blah, want Lawrence. He is another athlete. Thomas was a step in the right direction, but then I wanted us to land a guy who can play the 3 and shoot it consistently. Not this guy. I am sorry, but I just do not want him. When news first came out that he wanted out of UC, I was excited. But after looking at stats, multiple past injuries, off court issues, inability to shoot FTs, his longing to be Kevin Durant, and game film I am just not at all thrilled to get him.

I'm all for landing a 6'9 transfer. If he plays like he is 6'9 and gets under the hoop for boards and post moves.

But this nonsense with him wanting to be a 3 and wanting to be KD is just not needed on this team right now.

Listen, none of you guys will probably agree cause we are doing our usual thing here: over hyping recruits/transfers

This guy sounds like another Sanchez who is going to hang around the three point line and not understand his role. If we do get him, great, I hope he proves me wrong, I will gladly eat crow on this if he turns into a great player, but I just am skeptical about this player, and will not be upset in the least if he picks another school.

Just my two cents on this topic, again I hope I am proved wrong.
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Jack, I can understand where you're coming from, your young ;) However most of these points your basing your hypothesis on are coming from disgruntled Cincy fans so they are about as valid as most of the posts here, IOW not very. Some key points that you don't seem to be considering are, first, a lot of guys who post here actually watched Jermaine play as he earned the #25 recruit in the country ranking and know that even if Cincy didn't work out he has tremendous potential. Second, I encourage you to read the ESPN write up on him from the end of his senior year. Hope the mods don't mind me posting some ESPN Insider content:

Strengths:
Lawrence is a high level athlete who gets his head on the rim with ease and covers the court with fluid mobility and agility. He's a major weapon when getting out to run lanes in transition but has also developed a lethal half-court skill package as well. He's equally dangerous as a catch and shoot player from the high post or three-point line and is even capable of elevating for turn-around jumpers with his back to the basket. He's capable of rebounding above the pack in traffic and is also a threat to block shots from the weak-side of the floor.

Weaknesses:
The biggest knock on Lawrence has traditionally been a sometimes suspect motor. That's been less of an issue recently but it's still a reputation that he'll have to continue to be conscious of. Physically, he needs to continue to fill out his frame and get stronger. From a skill standpoint, he's developed into a very good catch and shoot player but still has some work to do off the dribble. While he has the mobility to go by opposing big men, he doesn't pick his spots well yet and has a tendency to over-dribble and make poor decisions when in attack mode.

Bottom Line:
Lawrence has had a breakout spring (2012) on the grassroots circuit and is quickly on his way up the national board in the class of 2013. He's highly athletic, very skilled, and still just scratching the surface of his potential.

I'd also point out that plenty of top players take more than a few minutes to grow into the college game. Here I will agree to hope that he has a similar developmental curve as D'Andre Daniels who averaged 3 and 2 as a frosh and, if you were coaching him, would have bee cut from the team. Similar games. And JL was playing injured much of last year. The only valid reason to worry about this recruitment is the baggage and I'll leave the assessment of that risk to the staff.
 
This has "red flag" written all over it, but the potential is so high and the alternative could spell a very mediocre season, so the staff is going for it. I like the starting lineup on paper with Lawrence there but wonder about the outside stuff.
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The goal would be to sign him, get him into shape, improve his shooting which now sucks and then tell the lady to take a hike if she interfers. Worth the risk.
 
This has "red flag" written all over it, but the potential is so high and the alternative could spell a very mediocre season, so the staff is going for it. I like the starting lineup on paper with Lawrence there but wonder about the outside stuff.
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The goal would be to sign him, get him into shape, improve his shooting which now sucks and then tell the lady to take a hike if she interfers. Worth the risk.
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Well worth it.
 
Sampson was much more athletic and definitely quicker, but JL seems to have more skill and control. I can't imagine this kid ever covering a quick three. He looks like he has a good frame to add weight.

His best bet for the next level is to dominate around the rim and lock down PFs while expanding his offensive game. He'll never be a pure SF, but he just has to realize that he doesn't have to be. Big, long kid. I think he has better pro potential that Sampson.

I will say that Jackson on Cincy was an animal this past season and they wre loaded with experienced combo forwards. I'm not too concerned about his lack of PT...the shooting #s, thouh, are a little frightening.
 
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