I Wonder Why?
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Give it a rest. It was a stupid reactive play, but calling this a thug play is a off base. The Zags players did not even flinch over it.
If you watched the game you would have seen that one call went SJU's way down the stretch and before the game was decided. And that call was the TV reversal.
We posted 9,000 times about a kid who did not want to be here and then don't show up to support the kids that came here. These kids pulled off a nice win over a team few us had them winning. They then played a top ten team down to the wire.
Why can't the board admit it was a good showing by the players and piss poor showing by the fans?
5,500 (probably 3,000 SJU) is a disgrace.
Class of 72
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You pretty much have confirmed what I have always suspected about guys like you that resent being a redmen fan. You never got into Fordham, had to become a travelling salesman selling condoms in little towns outside of metropolises like Lexington, you bitch about the school and it failure to not be your imaginary Fordham and even debase the "glory" days with final fours and sweet 16's as mediocre. Self loathing old bastards like yourself are part of that decrepit crowd that pretty much have no insight into the state of the program, let alone the school you were lucky to have attended. I am harsh on the staff for doing a poor job but I don't spit on the heads of my fellow fans sitting in a lower section. You owe the fans here and the students an apology.
It must be nice to just label and generalize at will. You seem like a very miserable person. Every herb in the county takes their female cousin that they are dating to the Cats game, huh?
You are painfully out of touch. Is that really what you think goes on in Kentucky or is that just your fantasy? That program has more money around it than St. John's--smack in the middle of NYC--could ever wish to have in its wildest dreams. I guess George Clooney, Johnny Depp, Jennifer Lawrence, Diane Sawyer, and Ashley Judd just eff their cousins.
How about the technical that the GU lummox got for pulling his hand away from Pointer, who was grabbing him? GU was up 8, dead ball following a Pointer foul, then the technical, which resulted in two SJ FTs and a possession that turned into a Greene three pointer. Instead of having the ball with a chance to go up 11, GU ended up up 4. That's a seven point swing. No doubt that was a good call.
Yea, and I feel like we go over this every year. It really isn't a new concept, you win people will show. And it was the day after thanksgiving. Our team deserves support, and word will get around if you beat a team like Syracuse.
Fan support isn't the reason we lost to Gonzaga either. We lost fair and square.
The same people who were arguing that we'd lose to Minnesota, are the same people who are mad that we lost to Gonzaga by 7 after getting by Minnesota.
In terms of the expectations that were given by the majority of posters on redmen, we overachieved big time at MSG this week, so I'm surprised how many posters are whining. Move on. Niagara on Tuesday, huge game on Saturday. Support the team.
jumbo_peanuts
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But at the same time....winning is alot easier when you have fans that support you, rather than tear you apart every time you make a mistake...
beast of the east
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Funny
SJU is 12 miles from NYC, and access via public transportation takes a bus and a subway - an hour at least. I do think that if the school offered housing in Manhattan for athletes and some courses available there, then NYC would be a big attraction for recruits. I don't think there is any question that our fan base is mostly comprised of people who were around when this program routinely had a post season, and now conveniently forget how in Lou Carnesecca's 24 seasons, only 5 times did we advance past the second round of the NCAA tourney. One of Doc Butler's laments was that we drew only 5500 to MSG for a top ten team. My point was to contrast that UK was able to pack the house for Providence, and as such why would Briscoe want to play games at a mostly vacant MSG compared to a packed Rupp. On my choice, of schools, you are right about one thing - Fordham wasn't an option, as presumptuous as you are. I think most of us around from the glory days should be more than willing to open our check books to thank St. John's for a dirt cheap tuition that have served many of us well. However, being a graduate of a Catholic University, I sold the rhythm method instead of condoms.
I wonder why people on this board still insist that they know more about the game of basketball than our coaching staff.....
I wonder why people here consider themselves the next coming of John Wooden......[/quote]
I sure hope that attempting to put me down makes you feel better about yourself, Peanut Boy. I wonder why there are people like you, who have no other way to express their jealousy and insecurities. Why don't you start by stating an idea of your own...or do you have to be a professional coach to know something about this game.?
I wonder why people here consider themselves the next coming of John Wooden......[/quote]
I sure hope that attempting to put me down makes you feel better about yourself, Peanut Boy. I wonder why there are people like you, who have no other way to express their jealousy and insecurities. Why don't you start by stating an idea of your own...or do you have to be a professional coach to know something about this game.?
Doc has raised some good points, some of which I wonder myself.
As one poster basically stated, Queens is not the heart of the City. Regardless of whether is is only an hour away by public transportation it is still travel time. We can complain about other towns not being NY and you would be right but it is not the town or city necessarily, part of it is the campus life and the fact that the location is a "College" town. You don't have to travel to find something to do and hang out with your peers every night without traveling to far or paying to travel if you do. St. John's does not have that same atmosphere on campus nor offer free regular shuttle service besides the one that runs to the Jamaica LIRR station during classes on weekdays, Sold out arenas with a fervent fan base even if in a smaller venue looks better than 1/3 filled MSG. MSG is still MSG but you don't have to go to St. John's to play there.
Yes there are more things for the fan base in NY to do, but that is only part of it. Winning and exciting basketball would go a long way of filling more seats. That also would help persuad some elite athletes who do see advantages of playing here to make the decision to so.
As one poster basically stated, Queens is not the heart of the City. Regardless of whether is is only an hour away by public transportation it is still travel time. We can complain about other towns not being NY and you would be right but it is not the town or city necessarily, part of it is the campus life and the fact that the location is a "College" town. You don't have to travel to find something to do and hang out with your peers every night without traveling to far or paying to travel if you do. St. John's does not have that same atmosphere on campus nor offer free regular shuttle service besides the one that runs to the Jamaica LIRR station during classes on weekdays, Sold out arenas with a fervent fan base even if in a smaller venue looks better than 1/3 filled MSG. MSG is still MSG but you don't have to go to St. John's to play there.
Yes there are more things for the fan base in NY to do, but that is only part of it. Winning and exciting basketball would go a long way of filling more seats. That also would help persuad some elite athletes who do see advantages of playing here to make the decision to so.
jumbo_peanuts
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I sure hope that attempting to put me down makes you feel better about yourself, Peanut Boy. I wonder why there are people like you, who have no other way to express their jealousy and insecurities. Why don't you start by stating an idea of your own...or do you have to be a professional coach to know something about this game.?[/quote]
You want me to start by stating an idea of my own? I won't, and there is a reason for it. There isn't an idea that I could come up with that our coaching staff hasn't already thought of.
While your ideas and suggestions may make sense, they are not new ideas. You made it sound like you were the first person ever to come up with these ideas. I'm really sorry, but you weren't.
With all of the years and experience that our coaching staff has, I promise you that whatever thought you may have, they have already thought of. Or whatever criticism you have about one of the players, they have already noticed it.
You can sit there and wonder why we do this or why we don't do that......but at the end of the day, the coaching staff has their reasons for why we do this or don't do that, and their reasoning is a lot more justified than any poster's opinion on this site.
Hey Peanut Boy. I agree with you to the extent that you find Doc Butler gaseous and tiresome. But we'll have to part company when you say that the coaching staff is infallible and that no poster on this website can have any insight into life or basketball that has not occurred to Steve Lavin and his brain trust. The pope is infallible: you can tell by the hat. Steve Lavin is fallible: you can tell by looking at his record. Do you mean to say that Steve Lavin was for example wise to start a walk-on on national television and that his "reasoning" for doing so - a voodoo premonition - was justified? That is impossible to question his decision to start Felix Balamou last year for one game to teach a lesson to Rysheed Jordan? That no one can wonder why he had Max Hooper handle the ball under the basket in overtime last year versus Providence? That if Steve Lavin says it takes him two months to figure out who his best 5 players are everyone should shrug and accept that nonsense as if it were inscribed on a stone tablet and carried down the mountain by Moses? No. Lavin does not speak ex cathedra: in fact he's barely coherent most of the time. And he certainly should not be immune from criticism, and especially not by dint of his alleged authority.
Boy, the refs, the refs, the refs....We beat Minnesota in good part (certainly not entirely) on what I thought was a horrible call followed by a technical all of which turned into a 5 point play turning ther game around. Obepka consistently reaches in with the discipline of a 4th grade player and we are shocked when he gets called for fouls. We get our share of foul shots - but miss them. Refs miss calls, the game is fast, the refs are much slower. But the truth of the matter is we have a low basketball IQ, on the court and on the bench and that is why we lose; the refs have nothing to do with it. We put up a great fight against Gonzaga and I thoroughly enjoyed being at the Garden for the game but at the end of the day we play dumb, we coach dumb, and unless we make great individual plays at the end of games (see Harrison's 4 pointer), we lose dumb. Let's face it, the next set play we run will be our first.
Class of 72
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I love it when you and Beast think they can get away with moronic statements but seemingly get all misty eyed when discussing the most corrupt college organization in the history of college basketball.
While you and Beast have orgasms over "State of Kentucky" tax payer dollars to the tune of hundreds of millions to build dorms for jocks while they flounder as a national "research" university I am not as prone as some of you envious cretins to be overly impressed with an entire states fixation with a college basketball team. Your supposed Alma Mater smack on the fringe of NYC is a private school, one of two dozen division 1 programs in the NYC metro area. While Kentucky's only competition within 50 miles is Louisville, another corrupt institution of lower learning, St. John's competition for students and newsworthy sports print space include a broad range of schools within 15 miles of each other such as Columbia, Fordham, Manhattan, LIU, St. Francis, Wagner, etc.
WTF do those movie mongrels you mention have to do with anything regarding the small town Kentucky folks that have only UK basketball as a social outlet. The only fantasy taking place here is your evaluation of players and the delusion that you are a knowledgeable fan.
Hey Peanut Boy. I agree with you to the extent that you find Doc Butler gaseous and tiresome. But we'll have to part company when you say that the coaching staff is infallible and that no poster on this website can have any insight into life or basketball that has not occurred to Steve Lavin and his brain trust. The pope is infallible: you can tell by the hat. Steve Lavin is fallible: you can tell by looking at his record. Do you mean to say that Steve Lavin was for example wise to start a walk-on on national television and that his "reasoning" for doing so - a voodoo premonition - was justified? That is impossible to question his decision to start Felix Balamou last year for one game to teach a lesson to Rysheed Jordan? That no one can wonder why he had Max Hooper handle the ball under the basket in overtime last year versus Providence? That if Steve Lavin says it takes him two months to figure out who his best 5 players are everyone should shrug and accept that nonsense as if it were inscribed on a stone tablet and carried down the mountain by Moses? No. Lavin does not speak ex cathedra: in fact he's barely coherent most of the time. And he certainly should not be immune from criticism, and especially not by dint of his alleged authority.
Ndiaye is on scholarship, although I still have no idea why
Hey Peanut Boy. I agree with you to the extent that you find Doc Butler gaseous and tiresome. But we'll have to part company when you say that the coaching staff is infallible and that no poster on this website can have any insight into life or basketball that has not occurred to Steve Lavin and his brain trust. The pope is infallible: you can tell by the hat. Steve Lavin is fallible: you can tell by looking at his record. Do you mean to say that Steve Lavin was for example wise to start a walk-on on national television and that his "reasoning" for doing so - a voodoo premonition - was justified? That is impossible to question his decision to start Felix Balamou last year for one game to teach a lesson to Rysheed Jordan? That no one can wonder why he had Max Hooper handle the ball under the basket in overtime last year versus Providence? That if Steve Lavin says it takes him two months to figure out who his best 5 players are everyone should shrug and accept that nonsense as if it were inscribed on a stone tablet and carried down the mountain by Moses? No. Lavin does not speak ex cathedra: in fact he's barely coherent most of the time. And he certainly should not be immune from criticism, and especially not by dint of his alleged authority.
Ndiaye is on scholarship, although I still have no idea why
Because he's a senior (and multi-year player), and we had a scholarship to burn. Not unusual for at all to see teams do that for senior walk-ons who have put in the time, and dedication.