Hire Mike Rice

I'm guessing if he was hired you are going to get over a 90% very positive reaction from the board
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It'll be closer to100% if Rice can bring a couple of his top studs to St John's with him
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Or one in particular. Not counting on "package deal" despite recent buzz re Lewis & Antoine going that route. More often than not, these arrangements don't happen.
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Not counting on anything so I won't be disappointed. ;)
For the hire to work Rice would have to be hired as an assistant coach and Mitch Richmond likely returning to the special advisor role. There is always the possibility of St. Jean returning to the NBA but the players love him.
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Mitch more likely to make that exit at this point than St.Jean perhaps.
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I would have figured it would be Richmond. St.Jean seems like he has a future in college basketball. I never expected Richmond to be a long term fixture at the college level. He had a great NBA career and always seemed like a stopgap for SJU . That's not a knock, just that what I assumed.
 
Third vote for Mitch as well. I think he's probably trying to break into the NBA, and took this job to pad the resume and get paid a few hundred thousand to hang out with a buddy. He certainly doesn't give off the "college lifer" vibe.

In hindsight, Mitch should have been the hire right from the beginning.
 
I think hiring Rice is actually low risk. He would understand the need to be on his best behavior if he wants to revive his career. Seems like the move would be mutually beneficial.
 
I think hiring Rice is actually low risk. He would understand the need to be on his best behavior if he wants to revive his career. Seems like the move would be mutually beneficial.
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Agree here. Btw, Rice was never a loose cannon otherwise at RU. He was just caught being overly heated in practice and from all accounts those episodes weren't his norm, even per the players. I honestly think it's a very good hire for us.
 
Does someone think this is actually happening? I'm totally not following, but I can't see Chris, after finally getting acclimated to being in charge and running the show, bringing in a coach who is used to running the show.
 
Does someone think this is actually happening? I'm totally not following, but I can't see Chris, after finally getting acclimated to being in charge and running the show, bringing in a coach who is used to running the show.
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He wasn't even the head man at the Patrick School to start, was he? I thought he was Chavannes' assistant until he stepped down from head coaching to focus on running the school.

I would say Rice is a man with a definite plan to resume his career, and he knows being a college assistant who doesn't make waves is the next -- and possibly final -- step.
 
Does someone think this is actually happening? I'm totally not following, but I can't see Chris, after finally getting acclimated to being in charge and running the show, bringing in a coach who is used to running the show.
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Could
 
Does someone think this is actually happening? I'm totally not following, but I can't see Chris, after finally getting acclimated to being in charge and running the show, bringing in a coach who is used to running the show.
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Maybe you're looking at it wrong way. CM may not have been comfortable at first having guys (slice) who are used to running show or have run the show underneath him. Now with his feet under him he may be in a position where he feels comfortable enough delegating responsibilities to said coaches.
 
Or perhaps he was comfortable but had issues with Slice (or others on staff had issues with Slice) that could not be resolved, whether in the context of recruiting, game management/delegation, or the program generally.
 
Or perhaps he was comfortable but had issues with Slice (or others on staff had issues with Slice) that could not be resolved, whether in the context of recruiting, game management/delegation, or the program generally.
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YES I know he had a written contract but perhaps he was promised or made to believe at the beginning his role would be diff just an opinion after all they were long time friends A shame it was so deep that it coulf not have been work out It did hurt the team
 
Rice was never a loose cannon otherwise at RU. He was just caught
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I have no opinion about the Rice Redemption Scheme ® but there's no way that was an isolated incident. Sociopaths aren't occasionally sociopathic. Bobby Knight wasn't happy go lucky except that time he threw a chair. Bobby Gonzalez and Richard Speck weren't crazy every once in a while. Wayne Brady wasn't devil may care and then all of a sudden this one time he choked a bitch. Crazies are crazy 24-7. Mike Rice was nuts, that's why he went to therapy. If he got better, great - and not great because basketball, great because humanity - but let's not white wash what happened: he was a teacher teaching a student by assault. If your kid's math teacher back handed him when he added wrong you wouldn't defend him, you'd kick his ass.
 
Rice was never a loose cannon otherwise at RU. He was just caught
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I have no opinion about the Rice Redemption Scheme ® but there's no way that was an isolated incident. Sociopaths aren't occasionally sociopathic. Bobby Knight wasn't happy go lucky except that time he threw a chair. Bobby Gonzalez and Richard Speck weren't crazy every once in a while. Wayne Brady wasn't devil may care and then all of a sudden this one time he choked a bitch. Crazies are crazy 24-7. Mike Rice was nuts, that's why he went to therapy. If he got better, great - and not great because basketball, great because humanity - but let's not white wash what happened: he was a teacher teaching a student by assault. If your kid's math teacher back handed him when he added wrong you wouldn't defend him, you'd kick his ass.
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I don't know the status of lhis mental health. But, what is verifiable is ; Has he had any outbursts since he has returned to coaching? I don't think a sociopath would be able to coach a few years without outbursts.
 
Rice was never a loose cannon otherwise at RU. He was just caught
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I have no opinion about the Rice Redemption Scheme ® but there's no way that was an isolated incident. Sociopaths aren't occasionally sociopathic. Bobby Knight wasn't happy go lucky except that time he threw a chair. Bobby Gonzalez and Richard Speck weren't crazy every once in a while. Wayne Brady wasn't devil may care and then all of a sudden this one time he choked a bitch. Crazies are crazy 24-7. Mike Rice was nuts, that's why he went to therapy. If he got better, great - and not great because basketball, great because humanity - but let's not white wash what happened: he was a teacher teaching a student by assault. If your kid's math teacher back handed him when he added wrong you wouldn't defend him, you'd kick his ass.
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Yes, certainly understand your point. I guess I was indoctrinated by psycho coaches at an earlier age. You're right, if my kids math teacher did that I would. These kids are college age and handled themselves better than that, which is by setting the coach up on video. I'm pretty sure most if they wanted to could have squashed Rice as well. It appears at face value, he had gone to therapy and improved himself. No doubt somewhere inside, there is a fiery lunatic that wants to come out a bit.

I do know that it seems he has rehabbed and could offer us some help as an assistant. I'm not averse to hiring him. i doubt he will try any shenanigans again, and I'm pretty sure he can help us on the court. One of these days I'd like to see us win some basketball games..
 
I'm not at all convinced that Rice is a good coach or could help the team more than what we already have.


But we are recruiting basically his whole aau squad. So if he can help us land some talent ...then his hiring will be worth it.
 
I'm not at all convinced that Rice is a good coach or could help the team more than what we already have.


But we are recruiting basically his whole aau squad. So if he can help us land some talent ...then his hiring will be worth it.
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Then you must be the person to ask, what besides skill development (that he could do as a special assistantand a HOF jacket does Mitch bring to the bench. Seems like a likable guy but there's only 3 assistant roles and they should be directly involved and considerable assets in the things only they are allowed to do which is full team X's and O's on the bench and in practice and recruiting.
 
I'm not at all convinced that Rice is a good coach or could help the team more than what we already have.


But we are recruiting basically his whole aau squad. So if he can help us land some talent ...then his hiring will be worth it.
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Look what hiring an assistant coach to get a recruit has done for Seton Hall. They have changed their program for a few years by doing it.
 
Willard was thrilled when Lavin refused to hire Lincoln's coach as an ass't in order to get Whitehead and is now hoping that SJU make the same mistake so he can pounce right in.
 
Rice was never a loose cannon otherwise at RU. He was just caught
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I have no opinion about the Rice Redemption Scheme ® but there's no way that was an isolated incident. Sociopaths aren't occasionally sociopathic. Bobby Knight wasn't happy go lucky except that time he threw a chair. Bobby Gonzalez and Richard Speck weren't crazy every once in a while. Wayne Brady wasn't devil may care and then all of a sudden this one time he choked a bitch. Crazies are crazy 24-7. Mike Rice was nuts, that's why he went to therapy. If he got better, great - and not great because basketball, great because humanity - but let's not white wash what happened: he was a teacher teaching a student by assault. If your kid's math teacher back handed him when he added wrong you wouldn't defend him, you'd kick his ass.
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I don't know the status of lhis mental health. But, what is verifiable is ; Has he had any outbursts since he has returned to coaching? I don't think a sociopath would be able to coach a few years without outbursts.
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I was diagnosing him as a sociopath, that was hyperbole and also I'm not a real doctor. But there was obviously something wrong with him. He's been treated and presumably rehabilitated. Hence the lack of symptoms and hopefully there's no remission.
 
Rice was never a loose cannon otherwise at RU. He was just caught
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I have no opinion about the Rice Redemption Scheme ® but there's no way that was an isolated incident. Sociopaths aren't occasionally sociopathic. Bobby Knight wasn't happy go lucky except that time he threw a chair. Bobby Gonzalez and Richard Speck weren't crazy every once in a while. Wayne Brady wasn't devil may care and then all of a sudden this one time he choked a bitch. Crazies are crazy 24-7. Mike Rice was nuts, that's why he went to therapy. If he got better, great - and not great because basketball, great because humanity - but let's not white wash what happened: he was a teacher teaching a student by assault. If your kid's math teacher back handed him when he added wrong you wouldn't defend him, you'd kick his ass.
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I don't know the status of lhis mental health. But, what is verifiable is ; Has he had any outbursts since he has returned to coaching? I don't think a sociopath would be able to coach a few years without outbursts.
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I was diagnosing him as a sociopath, that was hyperbole and also I'm not a real doctor. But there was obviously something wrong with him. He's been treated and presumably rehabilitated. Hence the lack of symptoms and hopefully there's no remission.
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He's gone thru therapy if professionals say he is ok that good enough for me
 
Rice was never a loose cannon otherwise at RU. He was just caught
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I have no opinion about the Rice Redemption Scheme ® but there's no way that was an isolated incident. Sociopaths aren't occasionally sociopathic. Bobby Knight wasn't happy go lucky except that time he threw a chair. Bobby Gonzalez and Richard Speck weren't crazy every once in a while. Wayne Brady wasn't devil may care and then all of a sudden this one time he choked a bitch. Crazies are crazy 24-7. Mike Rice was nuts, that's why he went to therapy. If he got better, great - and not great because basketball, great because humanity - but let's not white wash what happened: he was a teacher teaching a student by assault. If your kid's math teacher back handed him when he added wrong you wouldn't defend him, you'd kick his ass.
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Yes, certainly understand your point. I guess I was indoctrinated by psycho coaches at an earlier age. You're right, if my kids math teacher did that I would. These kids are college age and handled themselves better than that, which is by setting the coach up on video. I'm pretty sure most if they wanted to could have squashed Rice as well. It appears at face value, he had gone to therapy and improved himself. No doubt somewhere inside, there is a fiery lunatic that wants to come out a bit.

I do know that it seems he has rehabbed and could offer us some help as an assistant. I'm not averse to hiring him. i doubt he will try any shenanigans again, and I'm pretty sure he can help us on the court. One of these days I'd like to see us win some basketball games..
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Leaving Rice aside, the abusive behavior of various alleged "teachers"in athletics is beyond the pale. Mike Schrewschrenski swears like a sailor, as did Louie. Bobby Knight choked one of his players. Rick Pitino ran a brothel. Eddie Sutton tripped spilled a bag of cash and broke his leg tripping over it. If an anthropology teacher recruited students using prostitutes he'd be fired. If an economics teacher assaulted a recalcitrant student with Wealth of Nations he be in prison. I'm not naive but the latitude awarded college athletes, coaches and athletics is repulsive. I don't know that there's anything to be done about it, but winking at it seems the worst response.
 
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