Harrison

[Moose]

Deangelo is Italian. He talks with his hands

 

[Red Storm Rising]

Deangelo is Italian. He talks with his hands

I was thinking the same thing. Harrison is excited, not going at it with Lavin.

Look at Lavins reaction. That is not a reaction you would have if someone is getting in your face.

 

[Class of 72]

Can I delete this thread...Jesus. I didn't mean to start this nonsense. Harrison is a fiery kid and I get that. From the looks of it, he went a little too far this time. That's all I was getting at. If we saw it, then scouts saw it or spoke to someone that did...that will hurt D'Angelo. We don't know what was said or the relationship between coach and Harrison. Time to lock this thing up and move on.

Agreed! Enough already...there is no smoking gun, he is a talented kid who plays with a lot of emotion and expression, sometimes he makes bad decisions, just like my 22 head old...and we really need him to win!

lesson learned ...... Do not start a thread about a player with the word "antics" in the title. LOL!
We understand the intent of the posting.....I think we all agree he is playing below his 2011 level and he needs to calm down and get into the flow of the offense. It is pretty much a free-for-all right now and Jamal will settle them down. Lavin is in serious need of a point guard who can score and the top priority is the kid from Philly. Lose him to Temple and we become razor thin at the pg. It is clear neither D'Lo or Phil are pgs nor are they strong defenders. Phil was never projected to be a starter since the job went to Nurideen by default but he will be great off the bench next year.

I'd say we areU in need of a PG that can distribute the ball, not score.

The top point guards can do both so I am wishful thinking we can get a player half as goof as Mo Mo Jones at Iona.

Harrison vs. Momo is not much difference

MPG- 34.2 vs. 35.9
FGM- 6.7 vs. 7.1
FGA- 15.8 vs. 17.0
FG%- .424 vs. .420
3PM- 2.1 vs. 1.4
3PA- 6.4 vs. 4.9
3P%- .328 vs. .294
FTM- 4.7 vs. 6.0
FTA- 5.6 vs. 6.9
FT%- 83.9 vs. 87.5
RPG- 4.2 vs 1.9
APG- 1.8 vs. 3.7
BPG- .2 vs. .1
SPG- 2.1 vs. 1.3
TPG- 2.3 vs. 3.9
FPG- 2.2 vs. 2.9
PPG- 20.2 vs. 21.7

Moose, You just gave Marco Baldi a stroke! LOL!!
why would you compare MoMo to D'Lo? MoMo can play play both positions blindfolded while D'Lo, to date, has not shown much PG skill. look at the APG and PPG and my point is made. I also want the ball in MoMos hands in a close game (FT%).

You brought up Momo. I showed their numbers are near identical. Momo has advantage on assists, Dee on rebounds. He averages 1.5 more ppg on 1 more shot a game. So no significant gap there.

Follow the thread........I brought MoMo up in response to Alum98s comment.
"I'd say we are in need of a PG that can distribute the ball, not score"
I said:
"The top point guards can do both so I am wishful thinking we can get a player half as good as Mo Mo Jones at Iona".

it was not in the context of the blown up discussion about Harrison.

A statistics professor once required his class to read "How to lie with statistics". Harrison's stats won't mean a thing if he starts scoring 25 ppg and we lose every game against quality opponents. It's not his "numbers" that are the problem.

Finally, in response to Joey3, MoMo transferred for family reasons, which the NCAA saw fit to award him with immediate eligibility. The ONLY reason he is at IONA is because coach Hicks contact with MoMo "prior" to college would have required him to sit at St. John's......the school he first contacted. If it were not for that little hiccup Jones would be our starting point guard and the course of SJ's rebuilding would have changed dramatically.

 

[cavalier86]

There is just so much negitivity here. Whatever happened big or small is between Lavin and Harrison. And to me it doesn't seem like much. Why cant we just enjoy the team and hope that they continue winning. you can watch any game between any 2 teams and find hundreds of things that look odd. Watch the games, enjoy the games and leave what happens to players to the coaching staff. GEEZ.

 

[Moose]

There is just so much negitivity here. Whatever happened big or small is between Lavin and Harrison. And to me it doesn't seem like much. Why cant we just enjoy the team and hope that they continue winning. you can watch any game between any 2 teams and find hundreds of things that look odd. Watch the games, enjoy the games and leave what happens to players to the coaching staff. GEEZ.

Because these are STJ fans. They will complain when we lose in the Elite 8.

 

[Moose]

Can I delete this thread...Jesus. I didn't mean to start this nonsense. Harrison is a fiery kid and I get that. From the looks of it, he went a little too far this time. That's all I was getting at. If we saw it, then scouts saw it or spoke to someone that did...that will hurt D'Angelo. We don't know what was said or the relationship between coach and Harrison. Time to lock this thing up and move on.

Agreed! Enough already...there is no smoking gun, he is a talented kid who plays with a lot of emotion and expression, sometimes he makes bad decisions, just like my 22 head old...and we really need him to win!

lesson learned ...... Do not start a thread about a player with the word "antics" in the title. LOL!
We understand the intent of the posting.....I think we all agree he is playing below his 2011 level and he needs to calm down and get into the flow of the offense. It is pretty much a free-for-all right now and Jamal will settle them down. Lavin is in serious need of a point guard who can score and the top priority is the kid from Philly. Lose him to Temple and we become razor thin at the pg. It is clear neither D'Lo or Phil are pgs nor are they strong defenders. Phil was never projected to be a starter since the job went to Nurideen by default but he will be great off the bench next year.

I'd say we areU in need of a PG that can distribute the ball, not score.

The top point guards can do both so I am wishful thinking we can get a player half as goof as Mo Mo Jones at Iona.

Harrison vs. Momo is not much difference

MPG- 34.2 vs. 35.9
FGM- 6.7 vs. 7.1
FGA- 15.8 vs. 17.0
FG%- .424 vs. .420
3PM- 2.1 vs. 1.4
3PA- 6.4 vs. 4.9
3P%- .328 vs. .294
FTM- 4.7 vs. 6.0
FTA- 5.6 vs. 6.9
FT%- 83.9 vs. 87.5
RPG- 4.2 vs 1.9
APG- 1.8 vs. 3.7
BPG- .2 vs. .1
SPG- 2.1 vs. 1.3
TPG- 2.3 vs. 3.9
FPG- 2.2 vs. 2.9
PPG- 20.2 vs. 21.7

Moose, You just gave Marco Baldi a stroke! LOL!!
why would you compare MoMo to D'Lo? MoMo can play play both positions blindfolded while D'Lo, to date, has not shown much PG skill. look at the APG and PPG and my point is made. I also want the ball in MoMos hands in a close game (FT%).

You brought up Momo. I showed their numbers are near identical. Momo has advantage on assists, Dee on rebounds. He averages 1.5 more ppg on 1 more shot a game. So no significant gap there.

Follow the thread........I brought MoMo up in response to Alum98s comment.
"I'd say we are in need of a PG that can distribute the ball, not score"
I said:
"The top point guards can do both so I am wishful thinking we can get a player half as good as Mo Mo Jones at Iona".

it was not in the context of the blown up discussion about Harrison.

A statistics professor once required his class to read "How to lie with statistics". Harrison's stats won't mean a thing if he starts scoring 25 ppg and we lose every game against quality opponents. It's not his "numbers" that are the problem.

Finally, in response to Joey3, MoMo transferred for family reasons, which the NCAA saw fit to award him with immediate eligibility. The ONLY reason he is at IONA is because coach Hicks contact with MoMo "prior" to college would have required him to sit at St. John's......the school he first contacted. If it were not for that little hiccup Jones would be our starting point guard and the course of SJ's rebuilding would have changed dramatically.

Momo and Harrison would never be able to co-exist in the same backcourt.

 

[SI1996]

There is just so much negitivity here. Whatever happened big or small is between Lavin and Harrison. And to me it doesn't seem like much. Why cant we just enjoy the team and hope that they continue winning. you can watch any game between any 2 teams and find hundreds of things that look odd. Watch the games, enjoy the games and leave what happens to players to the coaching staff. GEEZ.

Because these are STJ fans. They will complain when we lose in the Elite 8.

Was it bad under Norm as well?

 

[Moose]

There is just so much negitivity here. Whatever happened big or small is between Lavin and Harrison. And to me it doesn't seem like much. Why cant we just enjoy the team and hope that they continue winning. you can watch any game between any 2 teams and find hundreds of things that look odd. Watch the games, enjoy the games and leave what happens to players to the coaching staff. GEEZ.

Because these are STJ fans. They will complain when we lose in the Elite 8.

Was it bad under Norm as well?

Not following you.

My point is that we can win 20 a year for 10 straight years and our fans will complain. Our fans have this complex where they act like a team that has won 4 National Championships in the modern era or something. We make a hard schedule they complain. We make an easier one they complain. Yadda yadda.

 

[Class of 72]

Can I delete this thread...Jesus. I didn't mean to start this nonsense. Harrison is a fiery kid and I get that. From the looks of it, he went a little too far this time. That's all I was getting at. If we saw it, then scouts saw it or spoke to someone that did...that will hurt D'Angelo. We don't know what was said or the relationship between coach and Harrison. Time to lock this thing up and move on.

Agreed! Enough already...there is no smoking gun, he is a talented kid who plays with a lot of emotion and expression, sometimes he makes bad decisions, just like my 22 head old...and we really need him to win!

lesson learned ...... Do not start a thread about a player with the word "antics" in the title. LOL!
We understand the intent of the posting.....I think we all agree he is playing below his 2011 level and he needs to calm down and get into the flow of the offense. It is pretty much a free-for-all right now and Jamal will settle them down. Lavin is in serious need of a point guard who can score and the top priority is the kid from Philly. Lose him to Temple and we become razor thin at the pg. It is clear neither D'Lo or Phil are pgs nor are they strong defenders. Phil was never projected to be a starter since the job went to Nurideen by default but he will be great off the bench next year.

I'd say we areU in need of a PG that can distribute the ball, not score.

The top point guards can do both so I am wishful thinking we can get a player half as goof as Mo Mo Jones at Iona.

Harrison vs. Momo is not much difference

MPG- 34.2 vs. 35.9
FGM- 6.7 vs. 7.1
FGA- 15.8 vs. 17.0
FG%- .424 vs. .420
3PM- 2.1 vs. 1.4
3PA- 6.4 vs. 4.9
3P%- .328 vs. .294
FTM- 4.7 vs. 6.0
FTA- 5.6 vs. 6.9
FT%- 83.9 vs. 87.5
RPG- 4.2 vs 1.9
APG- 1.8 vs. 3.7
BPG- .2 vs. .1
SPG- 2.1 vs. 1.3
TPG- 2.3 vs. 3.9
FPG- 2.2 vs. 2.9
PPG- 20.2 vs. 21.7

Moose, You just gave Marco Baldi a stroke! LOL!!
why would you compare MoMo to D'Lo? MoMo can play play both positions blindfolded while D'Lo, to date, has not shown much PG skill. look at the APG and PPG and my point is made. I also want the ball in MoMos hands in a close game (FT%).

You brought up Momo. I showed their numbers are near identical. Momo has advantage on assists, Dee on rebounds. He averages 1.5 more ppg on 1 more shot a game. So no significant gap there.

Follow the thread........I brought MoMo up in response to Alum98s comment.
"I'd say we are in need of a PG that can distribute the ball, not score"
I said:
"The top point guards can do both so I am wishful thinking we can get a player half as good as Mo Mo Jones at Iona".

it was not in the context of the blown up discussion about Harrison.

A statistics professor once required his class to read "How to lie with statistics". Harrison's stats won't mean a thing if he starts scoring 25 ppg and we lose every game against quality opponents. It's not his "numbers" that are the problem.

Finally, in response to Joey3, MoMo transferred for family reasons, which the NCAA saw fit to award him with immediate eligibility. The ONLY reason he is at IONA is because coach Hicks contact with MoMo "prior" to college would have required him to sit at St. John's......the school he first contacted. If it were not for that little hiccup Jones would be our starting point guard and the course of SJ's rebuilding would have changed dramatically.

Momo and Harrison would never be able to co-exist in the same backcourt.

Alas, we will never know. The same comments were made by some Gael fans vis-a-vis Machado and Jones and they went on to form the best backcourt in Iona's history and certainly better than ours after the Nurideen fiasco, the Stith transfer, etc. MoMo has issues for sure but he seemingly adapted to coach Cluess. He does everything D'Lo does and a little more, especially as an on-ball defender and ball control. At the end of the day, I am happy to have Branch, Greene and Harrison in our backcourt.

 

[jrhoops1949]

There is just so much negitivity here. Whatever happened big or small is between Lavin and Harrison. And to me it doesn't seem like much. Why cant we just enjoy the team and hope that they continue winning. you can watch any game between any 2 teams and find hundreds of things that look odd. Watch the games, enjoy the games and leave what happens to players to the coaching staff. GEEZ.

Because these are STJ fans. They will complain when we lose in the Elite 8.

Of course you know Eric should have gotten the ball to Ronnie before getting stripped, right? We also could have guarded Rudd better.

 

[monte]

You do realize your nitpicking over a guy who is like 2nd in BE in scoring

You ever notice that even when he was putting up numbers, the Yankees always seemed to win more games when A-Rod was out?

Yes I know that.

But do you seriously think STJ would be a better team without Harrison?

Not a chance. And he is our best player, that's not debatable either.
But, Marillac's original point is a legitimate one - D'angelo can't be getting in coach's face. The entire first half of the season has been an on-going lesson in maturity for him, when does it end?

Just as important though, there's something to be said for his style of play this year. Everyone here can point to a dozen instances where he didn't pass out of a double team, or took a contested 3 from 28 ft early in the shot clock.
It's hard to put a finger on it, but there is definitely a sense that Harrison is concerned about getting his 20 every night. And in the long run, that won't be good for the team.
We needed him to try to develop some point guard skills, and even after all the talk over the summer - it's clear he hasn't.

I agree re: Harrison and our chances sans him.

As for the finger pointing I still haven't seen the video but if the picture was the only evidence in a court case it would get thrown out. He could have been pointing at anything behind him etc... If he was pointing at Lavin, he showed he would bench him and I think he would have sat him right then and there. Dee was hot at the officials and a few FU players. I'm sure he was just reacting to them while talking to Lavin.

As for Harrison being a PG, its tough when Phil has the ball in his hands all the time and Harrison is trying to get open from the Box and 1 shadow on him. I wish he would handle the ball more as well, just because I think he has a good way of getting contact and on the line. But Phil has the ball for the majority of the possession.

I agree that he's great at drawing contact especially when going around a pick. And he doesn't seem to be getting nearly as many touches as he did last year. But IMO asking him to play the point may be trying to fit a square peg in to a round hole. He's got a scorer's mentality. Shoot first and pass a distant second. Not many Alan Iverson types are there out there. Sure he sometimes forces the issue and takes ill advised shots early in the shot clock. Sure he wants to get his points. What big time scorer isn't guilty of the same things. I expect things will change once he's got a true point guard(Branch) on the court with him. D'Lo is a work in progress both on the court and off. As I said before, lets cut the kid some slack. We're really lucky to have him.

 

[monte]

There is just so much negitivity here. Whatever happened big or small is between Lavin and Harrison. And to me it doesn't seem like much. Why cant we just enjoy the team and hope that they continue winning. you can watch any game between any 2 teams and find hundreds of things that look odd. Watch the games, enjoy the games and leave what happens to players to the coaching staff. GEEZ.

Because these are STJ fans. They will complain when we lose in the Elite 8.

I'm still really pissed about the 84-85 season

 

[bobre45]

DLo also went over to the bench and sat down before warmups were done and only got up when Lavin showed. Never saw that before. I thought he might have been under the weather but he started and got his usual minutes. His shot was off though. At one point later Garrett went up to him to calm him down and he pretty much totally ignored him. I now see he must be a handful to coach and play with.

 

[bamafan]

As for the finger pointing I still haven't seen the video but if the picture was the only evidence in a court case it would get thrown out. He could have been pointing at anything behind him etc... If he was pointing at Lavin, he showed he would bench him and I think he would have sat him right then and there. Dee was hot at the officials and a few FU players. I'm sure he was just reacting to them while talking to Lavin.

I agree it's a dilemma. As for the finger pointing, he may well have been hot about something unrelated to Lavin, but there is no question that he was in coach's face pointing his finger repeatedly at Lavin's chest. Not good. Fortunately for Harrison, Lavin is his coach and can handle that behavior. Huggins or Frank Martin would've decked him. Don't even want to think about what Coach Knight would've done...

So you saw it on TV live. Your certain he was pointing at Lavin's chest and not at something that was maybe behind him.

I ask because all I saw was a tiny pic Marillac posted and not the video. Or the sequence for the matter.

Maybe he was pointing out a spot on Lavin's tie and was angry at coach for eating before the game as they had plans for a cosy little dinner after the game for just the two of them.

 

[usguard]

Then again, look at Sprewell can be a headcase but still get the job done as long as you keep scoring. Appropriate behavior or not, take D'Lo off this team and we are possibly the worst Big East team and have zero offense.

BASED ON WHAT I saw last night THINK JAKARR WILL NOT BE A ONE AND NONE.At THE BEGINNING I THOUGHT we would go 500 in confr now It maybe we will be lucky to get 3 wins Think if we had Sanchez we may be undefeated at this pt Hope things turn around but without Sanchez it will be very very tough

 

[usguard]

Then again, look at Sprewell can be a headcase but still get the job done as long as you keep scoring. Appropriate behavior or not, take D'Lo off this team and we are possibly the worst Big East team and have zero offense.

BASED ON WHAT I saw last night THINK JAKARR WILL NOT BE A ONE AND NONE.At THE BEGINNING I THOUGHT we would go 500 in confr now It maybe we will be lucky to get 3 wins Think if we had Sanchez we may be undefeated at this pt Hope things turn around but without Sanchez it will be very very tough

NOT GIVING UP ON LAVIN OR THE TEAM

 

[Moose]

Then again, look at Sprewell can be a headcase but still get the job done as long as you keep scoring. Appropriate behavior or not, take D'Lo off this team and we are possibly the worst Big East team and have zero offense.

BASED ON WHAT I saw last night THINK JAKARR WILL NOT BE A ONE AND NONE.At THE BEGINNING I THOUGHT we would go 500 in confr now It maybe we will be lucky to get 3 wins Think if we had Sanchez we may be undefeated at this pt Hope things turn around but without Sanchez it will be very very tough

You need to stop basing everything you see on 1 night.

 

[Section3]

Then again, look at Sprewell can be a headcase but still get the job done as long as you keep scoring. Appropriate behavior or not, take D'Lo off this team and we are possibly the worst Big East team and have zero offense.

BASED ON WHAT I saw last night THINK JAKARR WILL NOT BE A ONE AND NONE.At THE BEGINNING I THOUGHT we would go 500 in confr now It maybe we will be lucky to get 3 wins Think if we had Sanchez we may be undefeated at this pt Hope things turn around but without Sanchez it will be very very tough

One game is no reason to jump off his bandwagon...he'll adjust...Moe had his share of disappearing acts last year and it turned out fine for him...He may not be a one and done (hopefully) and that doesnt detract one iota from the fact that he is one of the top freshmen...

I saw Nerlens Noel at the Barclay's earlier this year...didnt look like a one and done to me...guess we'll see...

 

[ras]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

 

[boo haarvey]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime