Harrison

[Class of 72]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

This is Lav's 3 rd recruiting year. The Spring 2013 signing period is around the corner. We have ZERO commits to date. Guys commit to Syracuse, UNC, Louisville, etc. in their JUNIOR year. I am a fan of early signees but we are not closing the deal early. Last year we re-signed, after having to re-recruit, Sampson. Obekpa held out until the very end.
The rest of the class is an enigma to say the least. There is no shooter like Darrick Wood, no power forward like Sanchez, and no Ricardo Gathers. Per our recruiting tradition, or mal'occhio, we lose more recruits than we get, even with Lavin. We fill vacant slots of lost recruits with a Christian Jones, but he is not even a Sean Evans...to date.
Year 2 was an eligibilty fiasco of epic proportions. Year 3 with Marco, Wood, and Sanchez began the same way.
Year 3 recruiting is a razor thin step away from an abysmal failure. There are 2 top 100 players considering St. John's and neither will fill the gaping hole at center or the day-one impact guard like pimple boy at Nova.
I want to be optimistic......I really do! We almost beat a shitty Nova team on the road except for a couple of knucklehead plays and knucklehead coaching moves.
We need an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator for Lavin and leave him to recruiting in sunny California. Then again, that is not working out too well either.

You would think we still had Norm as a coach....and 2 star players at best. People r-e-l-a-x. It's college basketball....nothing more. If some would stop complaining they would actually enjoy watching the games. WE are not Kentiucky...never wil! As some one once sreamed to a fan at the garden last year "Stop ripping your team and start rooting"

I suspect every St. John's grad here bleeds redmen red. Even non-grads like CRgreen and Austour give pro-redmen views. It is a fan forum to express our support....some should try coming to games .......and our disappointments, of which we have had more than our share. We may be the 7th winningest college basketball school in history but the past 15 years has been mediocre except for a year here or there.....but nothing consistent. By consistent, I mean respectable teams like those at Gonzaga, Xavier, Temple, or even Marquette in our own league. The bad choices for coaches and mom-and-pop approach to running this as business is worthy of a Harvard Business case study.
In the past 15 years we have passed on available coaches like Jay Wright and John Calipari and hired mid-major level coaches for a Big East icon in St. John's. We have had the weakest AD's in the conference and I am actually delighted to finally have a nationally recognized coach in Steve Lavin.
However, we as fans and $upporters must express concerns when warranted or else we suffer the repeat of our recent past history.
I want to hear more "hammer to rock", I want us involved with every available elite recruit, I want us on the JC and European/Canadian courts........I don't want to be one-horse town Kentucky with 1,000,000 hicks waiting to buy tickets to the only game in town.......I want to at least be a Butler or Gonzaga or Xavier........and we are nowhere near that yet!
It is a short honeymoon in NYC for coaches on all levels.
Even Brian Mahoney had one great recruiting class until the street agents steered their players away knowing they would not be developed by the poor coaching.
Plain and simple.....Lavin needs to show players he can turn them into pros and not just "transfer" prospects.

Yes please do express your concerns but is it necessary to torpedo every single thread with Lavin bashing? Express your opinion and move on.

If that is your main concern, start a "Lavin" thread for God's sake and have all comments regarding Lavin limited to one effen thread! We have an "All Realignment" thread one more would not matter. Until YOU create that thread, and while he is our coach, if a comment is about him is interjected in a thread and a fellow poster answers.....of which there are many.....I suggest you either just ignore any threads you view as "bashing" or come up with an intelligent retort.
Lavin himself has stated that he sees his position as a CEO, and he is correct. He has assembled a group of well paid managers around him to grow the business that is St. John's basketball. You, my friend, if you attend games, provide other financial support (Red&White), season tickets, concession purchases, donations, etc. are a stake holder in that business. WHY? Because it is our dollars-----not tax payer dollars like at Rutgers that fund this program.
If your $2 million CEO is not performing to your expectations and you stay silent you are doing the business an injustice. I will gladly limit my Lavin comments to one thread. Just create one for all the board members instead of giving orders to the placement of other peoples views.

 

[ras]

What Lavin needs is another Dunlap. An Xs and Os ,gameplan guru to compliment him.

 

[shecky82]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

This is Lav's 3 rd recruiting year. The Spring 2013 signing period is around the corner. We have ZERO commits to date. Guys commit to Syracuse, UNC, Louisville, etc. in their JUNIOR year. I am a fan of early signees but we are not closing the deal early. Last year we re-signed, after having to re-recruit, Sampson. Obekpa held out until the very end.
The rest of the class is an enigma to say the least. There is no shooter like Darrick Wood, no power forward like Sanchez, and no Ricardo Gathers. Per our recruiting tradition, or mal'occhio, we lose more recruits than we get, even with Lavin. We fill vacant slots of lost recruits with a Christian Jones, but he is not even a Sean Evans...to date.
Year 2 was an eligibilty fiasco of epic proportions. Year 3 with Marco, Wood, and Sanchez began the same way.
Year 3 recruiting is a razor thin step away from an abysmal failure. There are 2 top 100 players considering St. John's and neither will fill the gaping hole at center or the day-one impact guard like pimple boy at Nova.
I want to be optimistic......I really do! We almost beat a shitty Nova team on the road except for a couple of knucklehead plays and knucklehead coaching moves.
We need an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator for Lavin and leave him to recruiting in sunny California. Then again, that is not working out too well either.

You would think we still had Norm as a coach....and 2 star players at best. People r-e-l-a-x. It's college basketball....nothing more. If some would stop complaining they would actually enjoy watching the games. WE are not Kentiucky...never wil! As some one once sreamed to a fan at the garden last year "Stop ripping your team and start rooting"

I suspect every St. John's grad here bleeds redmen red. Even non-grads like CRgreen and Austour give pro-redmen views. It is a fan forum to express our support....some should try coming to games .......and our disappointments, of which we have had more than our share. We may be the 7th winningest college basketball school in history but the past 15 years has been mediocre except for a year here or there.....but nothing consistent. By consistent, I mean respectable teams like those at Gonzaga, Xavier, Temple, or even Marquette in our own league. The bad choices for coaches and mom-and-pop approach to running this as business is worthy of a Harvard Business case study.
In the past 15 years we have passed on available coaches like Jay Wright and John Calipari and hired mid-major level coaches for a Big East icon in St. John's. We have had the weakest AD's in the conference and I am actually delighted to finally have a nationally recognized coach in Steve Lavin.
However, we as fans and $upporters must express concerns when warranted or else we suffer the repeat of our recent past history.
I want to hear more "hammer to rock", I want us involved with every available elite recruit, I want us on the JC and European/Canadian courts........I don't want to be one-horse town Kentucky with 1,000,000 hicks waiting to buy tickets to the only game in town.......I want to at least be a Butler or Gonzaga or Xavier........and we are nowhere near that yet!
It is a short honeymoon in NYC for coaches on all levels.
Even Brian Mahoney had one great recruiting class until the street agents steered their players away knowing they would not be developed by the poor coaching.
Plain and simple.....Lavin needs to show players he can turn them into pros and not just "transfer" prospects.

Yes please do express your concerns but is it necessary to torpedo every single thread with Lavin bashing? Express your opinion and move on.

If that is your main concern, start a "Lavin" thread for God's sake and have all comments regarding Lavin limited to one effen thread! We have an "All Realignment" thread one more would not matter. Until YOU create that thread, and while he is our coach, if a comment is about him is interjected in a thread and a fellow poster answers.....of which there are many.....I suggest you either just ignore any threads you view as "bashing" or come up with an intelligent retort.
Lavin himself has stated that he sees his position as a CEO, and he is correct. He has assembled a group of well paid managers around him to grow the business that is St. John's basketball. You, my friend, if you attend games, provide other financial support (Red&White), season tickets, concession purchases, donations, etc. are a stake holder in that business. WHY? Because it is our dollars-----not tax payer dollars like at Rutgers that fund this program.
If your $2 million CEO is not performing to your expectations and you stay silent you are doing the business an injustice. I will gladly limit my Lavin comments to one thread. Just create one for all the board members instead of giving orders to the placement of other peoples views.

I am a supporter, not an owner. I choose to remain positive about a coach who is only in his third year and in many ways has started to turn this program around. Not perfect, but way too early to be constantly beating the drum that he is doing a poor job. You are entitled to voice your opinion, I just object to the over zealous and numerous posts saying the same thing. Peace out

 

[usguard]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

This is Lav's 3 rd recruiting year. The Spring 2013 signing period is around the corner. We have ZERO commits to date. Guys commit to Syracuse, UNC, Louisville, etc. in their JUNIOR year. I am a fan of early signees but we are not closing the deal early. Last year we re-signed, after having to re-recruit, Sampson. Obekpa held out until the very end.
The rest of the class is an enigma to say the least. There is no shooter like Darrick Wood, no power forward like Sanchez, and no Ricardo Gathers. Per our recruiting tradition, or mal'occhio, we lose more recruits than we get, even with Lavin. We fill vacant slots of lost recruits with a Christian Jones, but he is not even a Sean Evans...to date.
Year 2 was an eligibilty fiasco of epic proportions. Year 3 with Marco, Wood, and Sanchez began the same way.
Year 3 recruiting is a razor thin step away from an abysmal failure. There are 2 top 100 players considering St. John's and neither will fill the gaping hole at center or the day-one impact guard like pimple boy at Nova.
I want to be optimistic......I really do! We almost beat a shitty Nova team on the road except for a couple of knucklehead plays and knucklehead coaching moves.
We need an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator for Lavin and leave him to recruiting in sunny California. Then again, that is not working out too well either.

You would think we still had Norm as a coach....and 2 star players at best. People r-e-l-a-x. It's college basketball....nothing more. If some would stop complaining they would actually enjoy watching the games. WE are not Kentiucky...never wil! As some one once sreamed to a fan at the garden last year "Stop ripping your team and start rooting"

I suspect every St. John's grad here bleeds redmen red. Even non-grads like CRgreen and Austour give pro-redmen views. It is a fan forum to express our support....some should try coming to games .......and our disappointments, of which we have had more than our share. We may be the 7th winningest college basketball school in history but the past 15 years has been mediocre except for a year here or there.....but nothing consistent. By consistent, I mean respectable teams like those at Gonzaga, Xavier, Temple, or even Marquette in our own league. The bad choices for coaches and mom-and-pop approach to running this as business is worthy of a Harvard Business case study.
In the past 15 years we have passed on available coaches like Jay Wright and John Calipari and hired mid-major level coaches for a Big East icon in St. John's. We have had the weakest AD's in the conference and I am actually delighted to finally have a nationally recognized coach in Steve Lavin.
However, we as fans and $upporters must express concerns when warranted or else we suffer the repeat of our recent past history.
I want to hear more "hammer to rock", I want us involved with every available elite recruit, I want us on the JC and European/Canadian courts........I don't want to be one-horse town Kentucky with 1,000,000 hicks waiting to buy tickets to the only game in town.......I want to at least be a Butler or Gonzaga or Xavier........and we are nowhere near that yet!
It is a short honeymoon in NYC for coaches on all levels.
Even Brian Mahoney had one great recruiting class until the street agents steered their players away knowing they would not be developed by the poor coaching.
Plain and simple.....Lavin needs to show players he can turn them into pros and not just "transfer" prospects.

Yes please do express your concerns but is it necessary to torpedo every single thread with Lavin bashing? Express your opinion and move on.

If that is your main concern, start a "Lavin" thread for God's sake and have all comments regarding Lavin limited to one effen thread! We have an "All Realignment" thread one more would not matter. Until YOU create that thread, and while he is our coach, if a comment is about him is interjected in a thread and a fellow poster answers.....of which there are many.....I suggest you either just ignore any threads you view as "bashing" or come up with an intelligent retort.
Lavin himself has stated that he sees his position as a CEO, and he is correct. He has assembled a group of well paid managers around him to grow the business that is St. John's basketball. You, my friend, if you attend games, provide other financial support (Red&White), season tickets, concession purchases, donations, etc. are a stake holder in that business. WHY? Because it is our dollars-----not tax payer dollars like at Rutgers that fund this program.
If your $2 million CEO is not performing to your expectations and you stay silent you are doing the business an injustice. I will gladly limit my Lavin comments to one thread. Just create one for all the board members instead of giving orders to the placement of other peoples views.

I am a supporter, not an owner. I choose to remain positive about a coach who is only in his third year and in many ways has started to turn this program around. Not perfect, but way too early to be constantly beating the drum that he is doing a poor job. You are entitled to voice your opinion, I just object to the over zealous and numerous posts saying the same thing. Peace out

Count me on coaches side

 

[ras]

The announcers commented about his improved demeonor. Gotta love his heart and passion. sure hopes he is around next year. If he and Sampson stays ,I think we are going to have a very nice year.

 

[Jack Williams]

He looked like a leader out there yesterday, even while he was struggling, which is a huge step forward for him. I think Sampson sticks around because a) He is not ready b) Max Hooper plays next year. Harrison is a maybe, if we go on and beat a lot of good teams like 2010 with DLo leading us, I think he'll get some NBA attention.

 

[prjohnnies]

Neither D-Lo nor Jakar should even think about jumping to the NBA.

 

[Class of 72]

Neither D-Lo nor Jakar should even think about jumping to the NBA.

He is getting better every game and his stock will rise. The best player we faced this year at his position just broke his foot and will likely miss the rest of the season. Like Moe, he will likely test the waters.

http://www.kimballrankings.com/players.php

 

[LINY89]

Neither D-Lo nor Jakar should even think about jumping to the NBA.

He is getting better every game and his stock will rise. The best player we faced this year at his position just broke his foot and will likely miss the rest of the season. Like Moe, he will likely test the waters.

http://www.kimballrankings.com/players.php

Something tells me he's better than a Northridge and High Point player...is that site a joke? Players from Wofford and Jackson State in the top 10? I think the rankings would be more accurate picked out of a hat. Apparently arguably the best scorer in the Big East just can't hang with Wofford players LOL.

Also, they had Jack Cooley as a better player than Dorvell Carter on Marist lmao. I used to be in a class with him and he was terrible.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Neither D-Lo nor Jakar should even think about jumping to the NBA.

He is getting better every game and his stock will rise. The best player we faced this year at his position just broke his foot and will likely miss the rest of the season. Like Moe, he will likely test the waters.

http://www.kimballrankings.com/players.php

we didnt face C.J. McCollum this year.

 

[crgreen]

Neither D-Lo nor Jakar should even think about jumping to the NBA.

He is getting better every game and his stock will rise. The best player we faced this year at his position just broke his foot and will likely miss the rest of the season. Like Moe, he will likely test the waters.

http://www.kimballrankings.com/players.php

Something tells me he's better than a Northridge and High Point player...is that site a joke? Players from Wofford and Jackson State in the top 10? I think the rankings would be more accurate picked out of a hat. Apparently arguably the best scorer in the Big East just can't hang with Wofford players LOL.

Also, they had Jack Cooley as a better player than Dorvell Carter on Marist lmao. I used to be in a class with him and he was terrible.

Anyone understand what that BS "statistical model" is supposed to represent? #9 is Taylor Waggenor of Wofford University. Listed higher than Allan Crabbe, Momo Jones, and Erick Green (all guards who freaking LEAD their CONFERENCES in scoring!) I was trying to figure out how he could have "ZERO" in the 2 pt category. He's played 58 minutes all year. He's made a very nice 10 of 16 3 pt shots. He's 0-1 inside the arc. For the season. The player in whatever 9th place is supposed to represent has played 7 minutes a game in 9 games this season, hasn't made a 2 pt field goal. Gets 4 pts, 1/3 of an assist, 1/9 of a steal, and 1/2 of a rebound a game.

WTF?

 

[LINY89]

Neither D-Lo nor Jakar should even think about jumping to the NBA.

He is getting better every game and his stock will rise. The best player we faced this year at his position just broke his foot and will likely miss the rest of the season. Like Moe, he will likely test the waters.

http://www.kimballrankings.com/players.php

Something tells me he's better than a Northridge and High Point player...is that site a joke? Players from Wofford and Jackson State in the top 10? I think the rankings would be more accurate picked out of a hat. Apparently arguably the best scorer in the Big East just can't hang with Wofford players LOL.

Also, they had Jack Cooley as a better player than Dorvell Carter on Marist lmao. I used to be in a class with him and he was terrible.

Anyone understand what that BS "statistical model" is supposed to represent? #9 is Taylor Waggenor of Wofford University. Listed higher than Allan Crabbe, Momo Jones, and Erick Green (all guards who freaking LEAD their CONFERENCES in scoring!) I was trying to figure out how he could have "ZERO" in the 2 pt category. He's played 58 minutes all year. He's made a very nice 10 of 16 3 pt shots. He's 0-1 inside the arc. For the season. The player in whatever 9th place is supposed to represent has played 7 minutes a game in 9 games this season, hasn't made a 2 pt field goal. Gets 4 pts, 1/3 of an assist, 1/9 of a steal, and 1/2 of a rebound a game.

WTF?

Lmao...it makes zero sense. It's like some random numbers generator and they just assigned a rank accordingly to each player. I meant to say before that it says a Marist player is better than Jack Cooley one of the best players in the country lol. Harrison at #72...it's a good laugh. High Point and Wofford apparently have sweet 16 aspirations.

 

[Class of 72]

Neither D-Lo nor Jakar should even think about jumping to the NBA.

He is getting better every game and his stock will rise. The best player we faced this year at his position just broke his foot and will likely miss the rest of the season. Like Moe, he will likely test the waters.

http://www.kimballrankings.com/players.php

Something tells me he's better than a Northridge and High Point player...is that site a joke? Players from Wofford and Jackson State in the top 10? I think the rankings would be more accurate picked out of a hat. Apparently arguably the best scorer in the Big East just can't hang with Wofford players LOL.

Also, they had Jack Cooley as a better player than Dorvell Carter on Marist lmao. I used to be in a class with him and he was terrible.

Anyone understand what that BS "statistical model" is supposed to represent? #9 is Taylor Waggenor of Wofford University. Listed higher than Allan Crabbe, Momo Jones, and Erick Green (all guards who freaking LEAD their CONFERENCES in scoring!) I was trying to figure out how he could have "ZERO" in the 2 pt category. He's played 58 minutes all year. He's made a very nice 10 of 16 3 pt shots. He's 0-1 inside the arc. For the season. The player in whatever 9th place is supposed to represent has played 7 minutes a game in 9 games this season, hasn't made a 2 pt field goal. Gets 4 pts, 1/3 of an assist, 1/9 of a steal, and 1/2 of a rebound a game.

WTF?

It has nothing to do with the NBA draft or the skillset of one player over another. It was one man's model to help him pick players that have the most impact in games they play for either betting purposes or game pools.

I attached it because Lehigh lost its most important player which should affect their W/L record drastically according to the model.

I has also mentioned we played against him this year but it was actually last year in the 2K. He is a special player.
BTW, for all the Gift haters, Gift led all scorers with 21 points in Lavin first (and brief) return back after surgery.

 

[monte]

Neither D-Lo nor Jakar should even think about jumping to the NBA.

He is getting better every game and his stock will rise. The best player we faced this year at his position just broke his foot and will likely miss the rest of the season. Like Moe, he will likely test the waters.

http://www.kimballrankings.com/players.php

Like with Mo, I'm guessing it will depend on level of interest. However Mo had the size and athletic ability to play in the league. He could have used another year to refine his game but as long as the NBA was calling, he was going. I don't see D'Lo nearly as ready as Mo was. He's a bit small and bit slow for the SG position in the league. He also doesn't go left and I don't see him being able to create his own shot in the NBA. Sticking around another year most likely isn't going to get him taller or much faster, but it will give him the opportunity to work on and improve the other aspects of his game. He'll need that to succeed in the NBA. Of course maybe he's OK with playing overseas in which case he's as good as gone.

 

[Lafferty]

Neither D-Lo nor Jakar should even think about jumping to the NBA.

He is getting better every game and his stock will rise. The best player we faced this year at his position just broke his foot and will likely miss the rest of the season. Like Moe, he will likely test the waters.

http://www.kimballrankings.com/players.php

Something tells me he's better than a Northridge and High Point player...is that site a joke? Players from Wofford and Jackson State in the top 10? I think the rankings would be more accurate picked out of a hat. Apparently arguably the best scorer in the Big East just can't hang with Wofford players LOL.

Also, they had Jack Cooley as a better player than Dorvell Carter on Marist lmao. I used to be in a class with him and he was terrible.

Anyone understand what that BS "statistical model" is supposed to represent? #9 is Taylor Waggenor of Wofford University. Listed higher than Allan Crabbe, Momo Jones, and Erick Green (all guards who freaking LEAD their CONFERENCES in scoring!) I was trying to figure out how he could have "ZERO" in the 2 pt category. He's played 58 minutes all year. He's made a very nice 10 of 16 3 pt shots. He's 0-1 inside the arc. For the season. The player in whatever 9th place is supposed to represent has played 7 minutes a game in 9 games this season, hasn't made a 2 pt field goal. Gets 4 pts, 1/3 of an assist, 1/9 of a steal, and 1/2 of a rebound a game.

WTF?

It's like Ender's Game. His totals per game are abysmal, but his totals per minute are through the roof. If he had scored just as many points per minute in full games as opposed to the 7 minutes he played he would have 24 points per game, which is nothing to scoff at. As he plays more time his numbers will probably go down. It looks like the website cuts out every player with less than 40 minutes total time, but they should probably up that limit.