Harrison

[logen]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

 

[boo haarvey]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

I'm not trying to spin anything. It is year 3 of the Lavin regime -- that is an undeniable fact. Lavin has had two years to recruit -- supposedly Lavin being out last year gave him a recuriting advantage. There are no excuses for being a bottom rung Big East team at this point. I think we all expected (rightfully so) more.

 

[SJUalum98]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

What does that have to do with the product we see on the floor THIS year?

 

[SJU61982]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

I'm not trying to spin anything. It is year 3 of the Lavin regime -- that is an undeniable fact. Lavin has had two years to recruit -- supposedly Lavin being out last year gave him a recuriting advantage. There are no excuses for being a bottom rung Big East team at this point. I think we all expected (rightfully so) more.

I think Lavin went out and made the best of it, but I do think his health last year ultimatly hurt recruiting (Gathers would have been the biggest contributer of them all, IMO, and maybe Lindsay would have listined to the coaches more if Lavin was here), and set us back.

 

[SJUalum98]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

I'm not trying to spin anything. It is year 3 of the Lavin regime -- that is an undeniable fact. Lavin has had two years to recruit -- supposedly Lavin being out last year gave him a recuriting advantage. There are no excuses for being a bottom rung Big East team at this point. I think we all expected (rightfully so) more.

I think Lavin went out and made the best of it, but I do think his health last year ultimatly hurt recruiting (Gathers would have been the biggest contributer of them all, IMO, and maybe Lindsay would have listined to the coaches more if Lavin was here), and set us back.

Gathers was overrated and not much different than Christian Jones as far as skill sets goes. Push.

And Nurideen was D'Angelo before D'Angelo (if you get my drift).

Are we really judging this team by players lost?

 

[Moose]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

I'm not trying to spin anything. It is year 3 of the Lavin regime -- that is an undeniable fact. Lavin has had two years to recruit -- supposedly Lavin being out last year gave him a recuriting advantage. There are no excuses for being a bottom rung Big East team at this point. I think we all expected (rightfully so) more.

I think Lavin went out and made the best of it, but I do think his health last year ultimatly hurt recruiting (Gathers would have been the biggest contributer of them all, IMO, and maybe Lindsay would have listined to the coaches more if Lavin was here), and set us back.

Gathers was overrated and not much different than Christian Jones as far as skill sets goes. Push.

And Nurideen was D'Angelo before D'Angelo (if you get my drift).

Are we really judging this team by players lost?

Gathers is at least playing every game which is more than we can say for Jones.

 

[SJU61982]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

I'm not trying to spin anything. It is year 3 of the Lavin regime -- that is an undeniable fact. Lavin has had two years to recruit -- supposedly Lavin being out last year gave him a recuriting advantage. There are no excuses for being a bottom rung Big East team at this point. I think we all expected (rightfully so) more.

I think Lavin went out and made the best of it, but I do think his health last year ultimatly hurt recruiting (Gathers would have been the biggest contributer of them all, IMO, and maybe Lindsay would have listined to the coaches more if Lavin was here), and set us back.

Gathers was overrated and not much different than Christian Jones as far as skill sets goes. Push.

And Nurideen was D'Angelo before D'Angelo (if you get my drift).

Are we really judging this team by players lost?

Yes, I get your drift re: D'angelo. I just don't agree with it.

 

[ras]

No way is Gathers and Jones a push. That said, who knows if we would have gotten Sampson if Gathers committed.

 

[MJDinkins]

No way is Gathers and Jones a push. That said, who knows if we would have gotten Sampson if Gathers committed.

Gathers initially committed (July 2011) prior to the start of what was supposed to have been Sampson's freshmen season.

 

[SJUalum98]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

I'm not trying to spin anything. It is year 3 of the Lavin regime -- that is an undeniable fact. Lavin has had two years to recruit -- supposedly Lavin being out last year gave him a recuriting advantage. There are no excuses for being a bottom rung Big East team at this point. I think we all expected (rightfully so) more.

I think Lavin went out and made the best of it, but I do think his health last year ultimatly hurt recruiting (Gathers would have been the biggest contributer of them all, IMO, and maybe Lindsay would have listined to the coaches more if Lavin was here), and set us back.

Gathers was overrated and not much different than Christian Jones as far as skill sets goes. Push.

And Nurideen was D'Angelo before D'Angelo (if you get my drift).

Are we really judging this team by players lost?

Gathers is at least playing every game which is more than we can say for Jones.

I don't see why Jones isn't playing as if he did something bad at the start of the year.
He's our only post up presence. Amir at the 5 is crazy. But I digress.

 

[austour]

Gathers is getting 4.3 RPG in 15 minutes and shooting 53% from the field. Again, he's a 4 star player playing like a 4 star frosh sitting behind a lottery pick and a very productive Junior both playing over 30 mins per game. He'll be fine. CJ has potential to be a solid contributor as an upperclassman but he's not in Gather's league.

 

[SJUalum98]

Gathers is getting 4.3 RPG in 15 minutes and shooting 53% from the field. Again, he's a 4 star player playing like a 4 star frosh sitting behind a lottery pick and a very productive Junior both playing over 30 mins per game. He'll be fine. CJ has potential to be a solid contributor as an upperclassman but he's not in Gather's league.

Means nothing when he's playing with an NBA PG in Pierre Jackson.

Pretty sure he doesn't have to work too hard on the offensive end.

Put Gathers on this team at 6'6 and see what he does.

 

[austour]

Yes, Pierre Jackson is the reason Gathers rebounds at 3x the rate of Christian Jones. No, actually it's not.

 

[SJUalum98]

Yes, Pierre Jackson is the reason Gathers rebounds at 3x the rate of Christian Jones. No, actually it's not.

He's playing with 2 first round picks in this coming draft. I don't care what their rebounding numbers are when one of the players hasn't even seen consistent minutes.

Like I said, put Gathers on this '12-13 SJU team and see what he does. At 6'6 and no offensive skill set.

Easy to grab a couple of box scores and judge a player. Gathers is nothing more than a garbage man, hustle player right now. Not knocking it because that's productive.

Gathers decommitting was no huge loss or setback. He's playing his role on that team which he is getting the opportunity to do, unlike Jones.

 

[Class of 72]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

This is Lav's 3 rd recruiting year. The Spring 2013 signing period is around the corner. We have ZERO commits to date. Guys commit to Syracuse, UNC, Louisville, etc. in their JUNIOR year. I am a fan of early signees but we are not closing the deal early. Last year we re-signed, after having to re-recruit, Sampson. Obekpa held out until the very end.
The rest of the class is an enigma to say the least. There is no shooter like Darrick Wood, no power forward like Sanchez, and no Ricardo Gathers. Per our recruiting tradition, or mal'occhio, we lose more recruits than we get, even with Lavin. We fill vacant slots of lost recruits with a Christian Jones, but he is not even a Sean Evans...to date.
Year 2 was an eligibilty fiasco of epic proportions. Year 3 with Marco, Wood, and Sanchez began the same way.
Year 3 recruiting is a razor thin step away from an abysmal failure. There are 2 top 100 players considering St. John's and neither will fill the gaping hole at center or the day-one impact guard like pimple boy at Nova.
I want to be optimistic......I really do! We almost beat a shitty Nova team on the road except for a couple of knucklehead plays and knucklehead coaching moves.
We need an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator for Lavin and leave him to recruiting in sunny California. Then again, that is not working out too well either.

 

[plandome4]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

This is Lav's 3 rd recruiting year. The Spring 2013 signing period is around the corner. We have ZERO commits to date. Guys commit to Syracuse, UNC, Louisville, etc. in their JUNIOR year. I am a fan of early signees but we are not closing the deal early. Last year we re-signed, after having to re-recruit, Sampson. Obekpa held out until the very end.
The rest of the class is an enigma to say the least. There is no shooter like Darrick Wood, no power forward like Sanchez, and no Ricardo Gathers. Per our recruiting tradition, or mal'occhio, we lose more recruits than we get, even with Lavin. We fill vacant slots of lost recruits with a Christian Jones, but he is not even a Sean Evans...to date.
Year 2 was an eligibilty fiasco of epic proportions. Year 3 with Marco, Wood, and Sanchez began the same way.
Year 3 recruiting is a razor thin step away from an abysmal failure. There are 2 top 100 players considering St. John's and neither will fill the gaping hole at center or the day-one impact guard like pimple boy at Nova.
I want to be optimistic......I really do! We almost beat a shitty Nova team on the road except for a couple of knucklehead plays and knucklehead coaching moves.
We need an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator for Lavin and leave him to recruiting in sunny California. Then again, that is not working out too well either.

You would think we still had Norm as a coach....and 2 star players at best. People r-e-l-a-x. It's college basketball....nothing more. If some would stop complaining they would actually enjoy watching the games. WE are not Kentiucky...never wil! As some one once sreamed to a fan at the garden last year "Stop ripping your team and start rooting"

 

[Class of 72]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

This is Lav's 3 rd recruiting year. The Spring 2013 signing period is around the corner. We have ZERO commits to date. Guys commit to Syracuse, UNC, Louisville, etc. in their JUNIOR year. I am a fan of early signees but we are not closing the deal early. Last year we re-signed, after having to re-recruit, Sampson. Obekpa held out until the very end.
The rest of the class is an enigma to say the least. There is no shooter like Darrick Wood, no power forward like Sanchez, and no Ricardo Gathers. Per our recruiting tradition, or mal'occhio, we lose more recruits than we get, even with Lavin. We fill vacant slots of lost recruits with a Christian Jones, but he is not even a Sean Evans...to date.
Year 2 was an eligibilty fiasco of epic proportions. Year 3 with Marco, Wood, and Sanchez began the same way.
Year 3 recruiting is a razor thin step away from an abysmal failure. There are 2 top 100 players considering St. John's and neither will fill the gaping hole at center or the day-one impact guard like pimple boy at Nova.
I want to be optimistic......I really do! We almost beat a shitty Nova team on the road except for a couple of knucklehead plays and knucklehead coaching moves.
We need an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator for Lavin and leave him to recruiting in sunny California. Then again, that is not working out too well either.

You would think we still had Norm as a coach....and 2 star players at best. People r-e-l-a-x. It's college basketball....nothing more. If some would stop complaining they would actually enjoy watching the games. WE are not Kentiucky...never wil! As some one once sreamed to a fan at the garden last year "Stop ripping your team and start rooting"

I suspect every St. John's grad here bleeds redmen red. Even non-grads like CRgreen and Austour give pro-redmen views. It is a fan forum to express our support....some should try coming to games .......and our disappointments, of which we have had more than our share. We may be the 7th winningest college basketball school in history but the past 15 years has been mediocre except for a year here or there.....but nothing consistent. By consistent, I mean respectable teams like those at Gonzaga, Xavier, Temple, or even Marquette in our own league. The bad choices for coaches and mom-and-pop approach to running this as business is worthy of a Harvard Business case study.
In the past 15 years we have passed on available coaches like Jay Wright and John Calipari and hired mid-major level coaches for a Big East icon in St. John's. We have had the weakest AD's in the conference and I am actually delighted to finally have a nationally recognized coach in Steve Lavin.
However, we as fans and $upporters must express concerns when warranted or else we suffer the repeat of our recent past history.
I want to hear more "hammer to rock", I want us involved with every available elite recruit, I want us on the JC and European/Canadian courts........I don't want to be one-horse town Kentucky with 1,000,000 hicks waiting to buy tickets to the only game in town.......I want to at least be a Butler or Gonzaga or Xavier........and we are nowhere near that yet!
It is a short honeymoon in NYC for coaches on all levels.
Even Brian Mahoney had one great recruiting class until the street agents steered their players away knowing they would not be developed by the poor coaching.
Plain and simple.....Lavin needs to show players he can turn them into pros and not just "transfer" prospects.

 

[austour]

Yes, Pierre Jackson is the reason Gathers rebounds at 3x the rate of Christian Jones. No, actually it's not.

He's playing with 2 first round picks in this coming draft. I don't care what their rebounding numbers are when one of the players hasn't even seen consistent minutes.

Like I said, put Gathers on this '12-13 SJU team and see what he does. At 6'6 and no offensive skill set.

Easy to grab a couple of box scores and judge a player. Gathers is nothing more than a garbage man, hustle player right now. Not knocking it because that's productive.

Gathers decommitting was no huge loss or setback. He's playing his role on that team which he is getting the opportunity to do, unlike Jones.

That's what he was in HS too and it got him a 4 stars and a top 32 ranking. He's also a freshman. The issue is some of you guys who aren't sure if the ball has air or feathers in it expect 4 star fr/sophs to play like 5 star players or jrs/srs and 2 star players to play like 4 star players. Its just not going to happen.

 

[shecky82]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

This is Lav's 3 rd recruiting year. The Spring 2013 signing period is around the corner. We have ZERO commits to date. Guys commit to Syracuse, UNC, Louisville, etc. in their JUNIOR year. I am a fan of early signees but we are not closing the deal early. Last year we re-signed, after having to re-recruit, Sampson. Obekpa held out until the very end.
The rest of the class is an enigma to say the least. There is no shooter like Darrick Wood, no power forward like Sanchez, and no Ricardo Gathers. Per our recruiting tradition, or mal'occhio, we lose more recruits than we get, even with Lavin. We fill vacant slots of lost recruits with a Christian Jones, but he is not even a Sean Evans...to date.
Year 2 was an eligibilty fiasco of epic proportions. Year 3 with Marco, Wood, and Sanchez began the same way.
Year 3 recruiting is a razor thin step away from an abysmal failure. There are 2 top 100 players considering St. John's and neither will fill the gaping hole at center or the day-one impact guard like pimple boy at Nova.
I want to be optimistic......I really do! We almost beat a shitty Nova team on the road except for a couple of knucklehead plays and knucklehead coaching moves.
We need an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator for Lavin and leave him to recruiting in sunny California. Then again, that is not working out too well either.

You would think we still had Norm as a coach....and 2 star players at best. People r-e-l-a-x. It's college basketball....nothing more. If some would stop complaining they would actually enjoy watching the games. WE are not Kentiucky...never wil! As some one once sreamed to a fan at the garden last year "Stop ripping your team and start rooting"

I suspect every St. John's grad here bleeds redmen red. Even non-grads like CRgreen and Austour give pro-redmen views. It is a fan forum to express our support....some should try coming to games .......and our disappointments, of which we have had more than our share. We may be the 7th winningest college basketball school in history but the past 15 years has been mediocre except for a year here or there.....but nothing consistent. By consistent, I mean respectable teams like those at Gonzaga, Xavier, Temple, or even Marquette in our own league. The bad choices for coaches and mom-and-pop approach to running this as business is worthy of a Harvard Business case study.
In the past 15 years we have passed on available coaches like Jay Wright and John Calipari and hired mid-major level coaches for a Big East icon in St. John's. We have had the weakest AD's in the conference and I am actually delighted to finally have a nationally recognized coach in Steve Lavin.
However, we as fans and $upporters must express concerns when warranted or else we suffer the repeat of our recent past history.
I want to hear more "hammer to rock", I want us involved with every available elite recruit, I want us on the JC and European/Canadian courts........I don't want to be one-horse town Kentucky with 1,000,000 hicks waiting to buy tickets to the only game in town.......I want to at least be a Butler or Gonzaga or Xavier........and we are nowhere near that yet!
It is a short honeymoon in NYC for coaches on all levels.
Even Brian Mahoney had one great recruiting class until the street agents steered their players away knowing they would not be developed by the poor coaching.
Plain and simple.....Lavin needs to show players he can turn them into pros and not just "transfer" prospects.

Yes please do express your concerns but is it necessary to torpedo every single thread with Lavin bashing? Express your opinion and move on.

 

[Section3]

Even though I am dissapointed, based on the whole year so far. The game went into OT and we almost stole a BE road game. Its not like we got blown out by 25 points.

Nova is a bad Big East team. In any event, no such thing as moral victories in year 3 of the Lavin regime

Any way you spin it this is really Lavin's 2nd year and that is completely ignoring his basically sitting out last year. Hate on him all you want but at least be fair.

This is Lav's 3 rd recruiting year. The Spring 2013 signing period is around the corner. We have ZERO commits to date. Guys commit to Syracuse, UNC, Louisville, etc. in their JUNIOR year. I am a fan of early signees but we are not closing the deal early. Last year we re-signed, after having to re-recruit, Sampson. Obekpa held out until the very end.
The rest of the class is an enigma to say the least. There is no shooter like Darrick Wood, no power forward like Sanchez, and no Ricardo Gathers. Per our recruiting tradition, or mal'occhio, we lose more recruits than we get, even with Lavin. We fill vacant slots of lost recruits with a Christian Jones, but he is not even a Sean Evans...to date.
Year 2 was an eligibilty fiasco of epic proportions. Year 3 with Marco, Wood, and Sanchez began the same way.
Year 3 recruiting is a razor thin step away from an abysmal failure. There are 2 top 100 players considering St. John's and neither will fill the gaping hole at center or the day-one impact guard like pimple boy at Nova.
I want to be optimistic......I really do! We almost beat a shitty Nova team on the road except for a couple of knucklehead plays and knucklehead coaching moves.
We need an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator for Lavin and leave him to recruiting in sunny California. Then again, that is not working out too well either.

You would think we still had Norm as a coach....and 2 star players at best. People r-e-l-a-x. It's college basketball....nothing more. If some would stop complaining they would actually enjoy watching the games. WE are not Kentiucky...never wil! As some one once sreamed to a fan at the garden last year "Stop ripping your team and start rooting"

I suspect every St. John's grad here bleeds redmen red. Even non-grads like CRgreen and Austour give pro-redmen views. It is a fan forum to express our support....some should try coming to games .......and our disappointments, of which we have had more than our share. We may be the 7th winningest college basketball school in history but the past 15 years has been mediocre except for a year here or there.....but nothing consistent. By consistent, I mean respectable teams like those at Gonzaga, Xavier, Temple, or even Marquette in our own league. The bad choices for coaches and mom-and-pop approach to running this as business is worthy of a Harvard Business case study.
In the past 15 years we have passed on available coaches like Jay Wright and John Calipari and hired mid-major level coaches for a Big East icon in St. John's. We have had the weakest AD's in the conference and I am actually delighted to finally have a nationally recognized coach in Steve Lavin.
However, we as fans and $upporters must express concerns when warranted or else we suffer the repeat of our recent past history.
I want to hear more "hammer to rock", I want us involved with every available elite recruit, I want us on the JC and European/Canadian courts........I don't want to be one-horse town Kentucky with 1,000,000 hicks waiting to buy tickets to the only game in town.......I want to at least be a Butler or Gonzaga or Xavier........and we are nowhere near that yet!
It is a short honeymoon in NYC for coaches on all levels.
Even Brian Mahoney had one great recruiting class until the street agents steered their players away knowing they would not be developed by the poor coaching.
Plain and simple.....Lavin needs to show players he can turn them into pros and not just "transfer" prospects.

Yes please do express your concerns but is it necessary to torpedo every single thread with Lavin bashing? Express your opinion and move on.

You mean move on to posting the same torpedo in the evey other thread