Harrison

[Moose]

Can I delete this thread...Jesus. I didn't mean to start this nonsense. Harrison is a fiery kid and I get that. From the looks of it, he went a little too far this time. That's all I was getting at. If we saw it, then scouts saw it or spoke to someone that did...that will hurt D'Angelo. We don't know what was said or the relationship between coach and Harrison. Time to lock this thing up and move on.

Agreed! Enough already...there is no smoking gun, he is a talented kid who plays with a lot of emotion and expression, sometimes he makes bad decisions, just like my 22 head old...and we really need him to win!

lesson learned ...... Do not start a thread about a player with the word "antics" in the title. LOL!
We understand the intent of the posting.....I think we all agree he is playing below his 2011 level and he needs to calm down and get into the flow of the offense. It is pretty much a free-for-all right now and Jamal will settle them down. Lavin is in serious need of a point guard who can score and the top priority is the kid from Philly. Lose him to Temple and we become razor thin at the pg. It is clear neither D'Lo or Phil are pgs nor are they strong defenders. Phil was never projected to be a starter since the job went to Nurideen by default but he will be great off the bench next year.

How is he playing below his 2011 exactly?

His decision-making has gone from average to selfish.......his 3 point shooting was great last year against good Big East teams (40%) and has been around 31% in 10 games in the soft part of the schedule........his turnovers have increased (he had around 40 during last year's Big East play and he has over 20 into the first week of December......before BE play even begins)........his pre-game distractions did not exist under coach Dunlap since Mike took no shit........etc., etc..........other than that, he looks like a sure-fire Euro player this year while last year some thought he had NBA potential.............do not get me wrong....I love this kid but he is not playing as expected nor has he been the leader Lav hoped for.

Thru 10 games year over year he is shooting .319 vs. .336 on 5 more 3's attempted during that stretch. While his overall shooting % is up 42 vs 37, his points are up 4 a game on two more shots per game, and all his ancillary stats (rebs, assists, steals, TO's) all the same. Actually half a steal more a game. All in 1 less minute per game.

I used the last 18 Big East play games as a comparison to the first 10 this year to chart his decline. However, the biggest factors do not show up in the stats......his attitude has needed adjustment (the ever lenient Lav already suspended him twice) and his in-game decision making has, to be kind, sucked. I am hoping Jamal will be a steadying influence in another week or so but I suspect if he does not improve his defense and decision-making, Phil Greene will start seeing much more time at the 2 guard as will Marco if Lav's offensive strategy ever includes setting him up for a shot as Looie's offense set up Chris Mullin.

You do realize your nitpicking over a guy who is like 2nd in BE in scoring

 

[lawmanfan]

You do realize your nitpicking over a guy who is like 2nd in BE in scoring

You ever notice that even when he was putting up numbers, the Yankees always seemed to win more games when A-Rod was out?

 

[Moose]

You do realize your nitpicking over a guy who is like 2nd in BE in scoring

You ever notice that even when he was putting up numbers, the Yankees always seemed to win more games when A-Rod was out?

Yes I know that.

But do you seriously think STJ would be a better team without Harrison?

 

[1and1sju]

You do realize your nitpicking over a guy who is like 2nd in BE in scoring

You ever notice that even when he was putting up numbers, the Yankees always seemed to win more games when A-Rod was out?

Yes I know that.

But do you seriously think STJ would be a better team without Harrison?

Not a chance. And he is our best player, that's not debatable either.
But, Marillac's original point is a legitimate one - D'angelo can't be getting in coach's face. The entire first half of the season has been an on-going lesson in maturity for him, when does it end?

Just as important though, there's something to be said for his style of play this year. Everyone here can point to a dozen instances where he didn't pass out of a double team, or took a contested 3 from 28 ft early in the shot clock.
It's hard to put a finger on it, but there is definitely a sense that Harrison is concerned about getting his 20 every night. And in the long run, that won't be good for the team.
We needed him to try to develop some point guard skills, and even after all the talk over the summer - it's clear he hasn't.

 

[Moose]

You do realize your nitpicking over a guy who is like 2nd in BE in scoring

You ever notice that even when he was putting up numbers, the Yankees always seemed to win more games when A-Rod was out?

Yes I know that.

But do you seriously think STJ would be a better team without Harrison?

Not a chance. And he is our best player, that's not debatable either.
But, Marillac's original point is a legitimate one - D'angelo can't be getting in coach's face. The entire first half of the season has been an on-going lesson in maturity for him, when does it end?

Just as important though, there's something to be said for his style of play this year. Everyone here can point to a dozen instances where he didn't pass out of a double team, or took a contested 3 from 28 ft early in the shot clock.
It's hard to put a finger on it, but there is definitely a sense that Harrison is concerned about getting his 20 every night. And in the long run, that won't be good for the team.
We needed him to try to develop some point guard skills, and even after all the talk over the summer - it's clear he hasn't.

I agree re: Harrison and our chances sans him.

As for the finger pointing I still haven't seen the video but if the picture was the only evidence in a court case it would get thrown out. He could have been pointing at anything behind him etc... If he was pointing at Lavin, he showed he would bench him and I think he would have sat him right then and there. Dee was hot at the officials and a few FU players. I'm sure he was just reacting to them while talking to Lavin.

As for Harrison being a PG, its tough when Phil has the ball in his hands all the time and Harrison is trying to get open from the Box and 1 shadow on him. I wish he would handle the ball more as well, just because I think he has a good way of getting contact and on the line. But Phil has the ball for the majority of the possession.

 

[Class of 72]

Can I delete this thread...Jesus. I didn't mean to start this nonsense. Harrison is a fiery kid and I get that. From the looks of it, he went a little too far this time. That's all I was getting at. If we saw it, then scouts saw it or spoke to someone that did...that will hurt D'Angelo. We don't know what was said or the relationship between coach and Harrison. Time to lock this thing up and move on.

Agreed! Enough already...there is no smoking gun, he is a talented kid who plays with a lot of emotion and expression, sometimes he makes bad decisions, just like my 22 head old...and we really need him to win!

lesson learned ...... Do not start a thread about a player with the word "antics" in the title. LOL!
We understand the intent of the posting.....I think we all agree he is playing below his 2011 level and he needs to calm down and get into the flow of the offense. It is pretty much a free-for-all right now and Jamal will settle them down. Lavin is in serious need of a point guard who can score and the top priority is the kid from Philly. Lose him to Temple and we become razor thin at the pg. It is clear neither D'Lo or Phil are pgs nor are they strong defenders. Phil was never projected to be a starter since the job went to Nurideen by default but he will be great off the bench next year.

How is he playing below his 2011 exactly?

His decision-making has gone from average to selfish.......his 3 point shooting was great last year against good Big East teams (40%) and has been around 31% in 10 games in the soft part of the schedule........his turnovers have increased (he had around 40 during last year's Big East play and he has over 20 into the first week of December......before BE play even begins)........his pre-game distractions did not exist under coach Dunlap since Mike took no shit........etc., etc..........other than that, he looks like a sure-fire Euro player this year while last year some thought he had NBA potential.............do not get me wrong....I love this kid but he is not playing as expected nor has he been the leader Lav hoped for.

Thru 10 games year over year he is shooting .319 vs. .336 on 5 more 3's attempted during that stretch. While his overall shooting % is up 42 vs 37, his points are up 4 a game on two more shots per game, and all his ancillary stats (rebs, assists, steals, TO's) all the same. Actually half a steal more a game. All in 1 less minute per game.

I used the last 18 Big East play games as a comparison to the first 10 this year to chart his decline. However, the biggest factors do not show up in the stats......his attitude has needed adjustment (the ever lenient Lav already suspended him twice) and his in-game decision making has, to be kind, sucked. I am hoping Jamal will be a steadying influence in another week or so but I suspect if he does not improve his defense and decision-making, Phil Greene will start seeing much more time at the 2 guard as will Marco if Lav's offensive strategy ever includes setting him up for a shot as Looie's offense set up Chris Mullin.

You do realize your nitpicking over a guy who is like 2nd in BE in scoring

Just a bit....LOL!

 

[redken]

You do realize your nitpicking over a guy who is like 2nd in BE in scoring

You ever notice that even when he was putting up numbers, the Yankees always seemed to win more games when A-Rod was out?

Yes I know that.

But do you seriously think STJ would be a better team without Harrison?

Amen to that. As for the analogy, aside from thinking that the basketball/baseball analogy really doesn't work, there's no comparing a breaking-down, aging player whose own teammates don't like him with a kid who's still developing, whose best days are yet to come, whose teammates seem to like him, and whose team desperately needs his offense to compete.

 

[lawmanfan]

As for the finger pointing I still haven't seen the video but if the picture was the only evidence in a court case it would get thrown out. He could have been pointing at anything behind him etc... If he was pointing at Lavin, he showed he would bench him and I think he would have sat him right then and there. Dee was hot at the officials and a few FU players. I'm sure he was just reacting to them while talking to Lavin.

I agree it's a dilemma. As for the finger pointing, he may well have been hot about something unrelated to Lavin, but there is no question that he was in coach's face pointing his finger repeatedly at Lavin's chest. Not good. Fortunately for Harrison, Lavin is his coach and can handle that behavior. Huggins or Frank Martin would've decked him. Don't even want to think about what Coach Knight would've done...

 

[Moose]

As for the finger pointing I still haven't seen the video but if the picture was the only evidence in a court case it would get thrown out. He could have been pointing at anything behind him etc... If he was pointing at Lavin, he showed he would bench him and I think he would have sat him right then and there. Dee was hot at the officials and a few FU players. I'm sure he was just reacting to them while talking to Lavin.

I agree it's a dilemma. As for the finger pointing, he may well have been hot about something unrelated to Lavin, but there is no question that he was in coach's face pointing his finger repeatedly at Lavin's chest. Not good. Fortunately for Harrison, Lavin is his coach and can handle that behavior. Huggins or Frank Martin would've decked him. Don't even want to think about what Coach Knight would've done...

So you saw it on TV live. Your certain he was pointing at Lavin's chest and not at something that was maybe behind him.

I ask because all I saw was a tiny pic Marillac posted and not the video. Or the sequence for the matter.

 

[STJ11Redmen]

As for the finger pointing I still haven't seen the video but if the picture was the only evidence in a court case it would get thrown out. He could have been pointing at anything behind him etc... If he was pointing at Lavin, he showed he would bench him and I think he would have sat him right then and there. Dee was hot at the officials and a few FU players. I'm sure he was just reacting to them while talking to Lavin.

I agree it's a dilemma. As for the finger pointing, he may well have been hot about something unrelated to Lavin, but there is no question that he was in coach's face pointing his finger repeatedly at Lavin's chest. Not good. Fortunately for Harrison, Lavin is his coach and can handle that behavior. Huggins or Frank Martin would've decked him. Don't even want to think about what Coach Knight would've done...

So you saw it on TV live. Your certain he was pointing at Lavin's chest and not at something that was maybe behind him.

I ask because all I saw was a tiny pic Marillac posted and not the video. Or the sequence for the matter.

My seats are right there and I was watching the whole thing unfold, he was 100% pointing at Lavin.

 

[lawmanfan]

So you saw it on TV live. Your certain he was pointing at Lavin's chest and not at something that was maybe behind him.

I ask because all I saw was a tiny pic Marillac posted and not the video. Or the sequence for the matter.

That's sure what it looked like to me.

 

[Jnaw17]

As for the finger pointing I still haven't seen the video but if the picture was the only evidence in a court case it would get thrown out. He could have been pointing at anything behind him etc... If he was pointing at Lavin, he showed he would bench him and I think he would have sat him right then and there. Dee was hot at the officials and a few FU players. I'm sure he was just reacting to them while talking to Lavin.

I agree it's a dilemma. As for the finger pointing, he may well have been hot about something unrelated to Lavin, but there is no question that he was in coach's face pointing his finger repeatedly at Lavin's chest. Not good. Fortunately for Harrison, Lavin is his coach and can handle that behavior. Huggins or Frank Martin would've decked him. Don't even want to think about what Coach Knight would've done...

So you saw it on TV live. Your certain he was pointing at Lavin's chest and not at something that was maybe behind him.

I ask because all I saw was a tiny pic Marillac posted and not the video. Or the sequence for the matter.

I've seen it live and watched it again on tape and think it's totally being blown out of proportion here. There was no indication that be was mad at Lavin. And to say he was pointing his finger at his chest is laughable. As someone suggested the other day, we're really over analyzing everything lately.

 

[Class of 72]

Can I delete this thread...Jesus. I didn't mean to start this nonsense. Harrison is a fiery kid and I get that. From the looks of it, he went a little too far this time. That's all I was getting at. If we saw it, then scouts saw it or spoke to someone that did...that will hurt D'Angelo. We don't know what was said or the relationship between coach and Harrison. Time to lock this thing up and move on.

Agreed! Enough already...there is no smoking gun, he is a talented kid who plays with a lot of emotion and expression, sometimes he makes bad decisions, just like my 22 head old...and we really need him to win!

lesson learned ...... Do not start a thread about a player with the word "antics" in the title. LOL!
We understand the intent of the posting.....I think we all agree he is playing below his 2011 level and he needs to calm down and get into the flow of the offense. It is pretty much a free-for-all right now and Jamal will settle them down. Lavin is in serious need of a point guard who can score and the top priority is the kid from Philly. Lose him to Temple and we become razor thin at the pg. It is clear neither D'Lo or Phil are pgs nor are they strong defenders. Phil was never projected to be a starter since the job went to Nurideen by default but he will be great off the bench next year.

I'd say we are in need of a PG that can distribute the ball, not score.

The top point guards can do both so I am wishful thinking we can get a player half as goof as Mo Mo Jones at Iona.

Harrison vs. Momo is not much difference

MPG- 34.2 vs. 35.9
FGM- 6.7 vs. 7.1
FGA- 15.8 vs. 17.0
FG%- .424 vs. .420
3PM- 2.1 vs. 1.4
3PA- 6.4 vs. 4.9
3P%- .328 vs. .294
FTM- 4.7 vs. 6.0
FTA- 5.6 vs. 6.9
FT%- 83.9 vs. 87.5
RPG- 4.2 vs 1.9
APG- 1.8 vs. 3.7
BPG- .2 vs. .1
SPG- 2.1 vs. 1.3
TPG- 2.3 vs. 3.9
FPG- 2.2 vs. 2.9
PPG- 20.2 vs. 21.7

Moose, You just gave Marco Baldi a stroke! LOL!!
why would you compare MoMo to D'Lo? MoMo can play play both positions blindfolded while D'Lo, to date, has not shown much PG skill. look at the APG and PPG and my point is made. I also want the ball in MoMos hands in a close game (FT%).

 

[usguard]

As for the finger pointing I still haven't seen the video but if the picture was the only evidence in a court case it would get thrown out. He could have been pointing at anything behind him etc... If he was pointing at Lavin, he showed he would bench him and I think he would have sat him right then and there. Dee was hot at the officials and a few FU players. I'm sure he was just reacting to them while talking to Lavin.

I agree it's a dilemma. As for the finger pointing, he may well have been hot about something unrelated to Lavin, but there is no question that he was in coach's face pointing his finger repeatedly at Lavin's chest. Not good. Fortunately for Harrison, Lavin is his coach and can handle that behavior. Huggins or Frank Martin would've decked him. Don't even want to think about what Coach Knight would've done...

.you saw it on TV live. Your certain he was pointing at Lavin's chest and not at something that was maybe behind him.

I ask because all I saw was a tiny pic Marillac posted and not the video. Or the sequence for the matter.

I've seen it live and watched it again on tape and think it's totally being blown out of proportion here. There was no indication that be was mad at Lavin. And to say he was pointing his finger at his chest is laughable. As someone suggested the other day, we're really over analyzing everything lately.[/quote

If he was mad at coach its too bad
Coach is in charge what he says goes no question

 

[Moose]

Can I delete this thread...Jesus. I didn't mean to start this nonsense. Harrison is a fiery kid and I get that. From the looks of it, he went a little too far this time. That's all I was getting at. If we saw it, then scouts saw it or spoke to someone that did...that will hurt D'Angelo. We don't know what was said or the relationship between coach and Harrison. Time to lock this thing up and move on.

Agreed! Enough already...there is no smoking gun, he is a talented kid who plays with a lot of emotion and expression, sometimes he makes bad decisions, just like my 22 head old...and we really need him to win!

lesson learned ...... Do not start a thread about a player with the word "antics" in the title. LOL!
We understand the intent of the posting.....I think we all agree he is playing below his 2011 level and he needs to calm down and get into the flow of the offense. It is pretty much a free-for-all right now and Jamal will settle them down. Lavin is in serious need of a point guard who can score and the top priority is the kid from Philly. Lose him to Temple and we become razor thin at the pg. It is clear neither D'Lo or Phil are pgs nor are they strong defenders. Phil was never projected to be a starter since the job went to Nurideen by default but he will be great off the bench next year.

I'd say we are in need of a PG that can distribute the ball, not score.

The top point guards can do both so I am wishful thinking we can get a player half as goof as Mo Mo Jones at Iona.

Harrison vs. Momo is not much difference

MPG- 34.2 vs. 35.9
FGM- 6.7 vs. 7.1
FGA- 15.8 vs. 17.0
FG%- .424 vs. .420
3PM- 2.1 vs. 1.4
3PA- 6.4 vs. 4.9
3P%- .328 vs. .294
FTM- 4.7 vs. 6.0
FTA- 5.6 vs. 6.9
FT%- 83.9 vs. 87.5
RPG- 4.2 vs 1.9
APG- 1.8 vs. 3.7
BPG- .2 vs. .1
SPG- 2.1 vs. 1.3
TPG- 2.3 vs. 3.9
FPG- 2.2 vs. 2.9
PPG- 20.2 vs. 21.7

Moose, You just gave Marco Baldi a stroke! LOL!!
why would you compare MoMo to D'Lo? MoMo can play play both positions blindfolded while D'Lo, to date, has not shown much PG skill. look at the APG and PPG and my point is made. I also want the ball in MoMos hands in a close game (FT%).

You brought up Momo. I showed their numbers are near identical. Momo has advantage on assists, Dee on rebounds. He averages 1.5 more ppg on 1 more shot a game. So no significant gap there.

 

[LINY89]

Can I delete this thread...Jesus. I didn't mean to start this nonsense. Harrison is a fiery kid and I get that. From the looks of it, he went a little too far this time. That's all I was getting at. If we saw it, then scouts saw it or spoke to someone that did...that will hurt D'Angelo. We don't know what was said or the relationship between coach and Harrison. Time to lock this thing up and move on.

Agreed! Enough already...there is no smoking gun, he is a talented kid who plays with a lot of emotion and expression, sometimes he makes bad decisions, just like my 22 head old...and we really need him to win!

lesson learned ...... Do not start a thread about a player with the word "antics" in the title. LOL!
We understand the intent of the posting.....I think we all agree he is playing below his 2011 level and he needs to calm down and get into the flow of the offense. It is pretty much a free-for-all right now and Jamal will settle them down. Lavin is in serious need of a point guard who can score and the top priority is the kid from Philly. Lose him to Temple and we become razor thin at the pg. It is clear neither D'Lo or Phil are pgs nor are they strong defenders. Phil was never projected to be a starter since the job went to Nurideen by default but he will be great off the bench next year.

How is he playing below his 2011 exactly?

His decision-making has gone from average to selfish.......his 3 point shooting was great last year against good Big East teams (40%) and has been around 31% in 10 games in the soft part of the schedule........his turnovers have increased (he had around 40 during last year's Big East play and he has over 20 into the first week of December......before BE play even begins)........his pre-game distractions did not exist under coach Dunlap since Mike took no shit........etc., etc..........other than that, he looks like a sure-fire Euro player this year while last year some thought he had NBA potential.............do not get me wrong....I love this kid but he is not playing as expected nor has he been the leader Lav hoped for.

Not playing as expected? This is a kid who scored 20+ in what 7/10 or 8/10 games? Give me a break. Even Melo has off days but he's still a great player. The leader thing is so overrated...the other guys see him as one already anyway. Jakarr and the other guys have said "he is our leader"...ok, so then what? D'Lo is a 20 PPG scorer, among the best in the Big East and I believe top 25 in the nation. For all I care he can flip me off in the stands each game as long as he keeps scoring 20+ regularly.

 

[LINY89]

Can I delete this thread...Jesus. I didn't mean to start this nonsense. Harrison is a fiery kid and I get that. From the looks of it, he went a little too far this time. That's all I was getting at. If we saw it, then scouts saw it or spoke to someone that did...that will hurt D'Angelo. We don't know what was said or the relationship between coach and Harrison. Time to lock this thing up and move on.

Agreed! Enough already...there is no smoking gun, he is a talented kid who plays with a lot of emotion and expression, sometimes he makes bad decisions, just like my 22 head old...and we really need him to win!

lesson learned ...... Do not start a thread about a player with the word "antics" in the title. LOL!
We understand the intent of the posting.....I think we all agree he is playing below his 2011 level and he needs to calm down and get into the flow of the offense. It is pretty much a free-for-all right now and Jamal will settle them down. Lavin is in serious need of a point guard who can score and the top priority is the kid from Philly. Lose him to Temple and we become razor thin at the pg. It is clear neither D'Lo or Phil are pgs nor are they strong defenders. Phil was never projected to be a starter since the job went to Nurideen by default but he will be great off the bench next year.

I'd say we are in need of a PG that can distribute the ball, not score.

The top point guards can do both so I am wishful thinking we can get a player half as goof as Mo Mo Jones at Iona.

Harrison vs. Momo is not much difference

MPG- 34.2 vs. 35.9
FGM- 6.7 vs. 7.1
FGA- 15.8 vs. 17.0
FG%- .424 vs. .420
3PM- 2.1 vs. 1.4
3PA- 6.4 vs. 4.9
3P%- .328 vs. .294
FTM- 4.7 vs. 6.0
FTA- 5.6 vs. 6.9
FT%- 83.9 vs. 87.5
RPG- 4.2 vs 1.9
APG- 1.8 vs. 3.7
BPG- .2 vs. .1
SPG- 2.1 vs. 1.3
TPG- 2.3 vs. 3.9
FPG- 2.2 vs. 2.9
PPG- 20.2 vs. 21.7

Moose, You just gave Marco Baldi a stroke! LOL!!
why would you compare MoMo to D'Lo? MoMo can play play both positions blindfolded while D'Lo, to date, has not shown much PG skill. look at the APG and PPG and my point is made. I also want the ball in MoMos hands in a close game (FT%).

You brought up Momo. I showed their numbers are near identical. Momo has advantage on assists, Dee on rebounds. He averages 1.5 more ppg on 1 more shot a game. So no significant gap there.

That's like saying there's not much difference between a good minor leaguer and Griffey because they both had similar stats. The major mistake is that they do not play against the same level of competition. D'Lo seems to play his best against the Cuse's, ND's, Cincy's, etc. of the world and has proven he can shine even among the top teams. Momo plays in the MAAC. There's a reason he left a major program to settle in a mid major one: so that he got more minutes and could make more of a difference against lesser competition. If he was that good, he never would have left a major conference team.

 

[LINY89]

You do realize your nitpicking over a guy who is like 2nd in BE in scoring

You ever notice that even when he was putting up numbers, the Yankees always seemed to win more games when A-Rod was out?

Plus, the Yankees have so many good players they can shoulder the load even after losing a major player. On our squad D'Lo is the only show in town. Take him off the team and we are no doubt last in the Big East and lucky to win 2 games in conference play.

 

[simplyred]

Here's the clip

 

[LINY89]

I saw the clip the other day...it's really not a big deal at all. The pointing should definitely stop, but he easily could have been like "You told me to run this play, not that play!". It was not aggressive at all and no one broke them up as some lied about. This really is absurd...let's also count how many times he blinks his eyes and condemn that too.