Greg W Enters Portal

Enough with the great person whom I wish the best of luck to when somebody jumps ship. That doesn’t do anything for us. Every post should be What the hell is going on with this school and not being able to keep/attract kids?  
 
Simple answer. don't change coaches every four years and get people in place to support the coach.

They have all three in place with President, AD, and coach for the first time since Cahill, Kaiser, and Lou. Good times ahead
 
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Different angle on this news.

Greg Williams and David Caraher put together a scholarship for St. John's University of some note given the last couple of years of news events and fighting  inequality and championing underserved communities.

Now they are both gone. I hope the Scholarship does not go with them.

For them to organize the scholarship, makes me say they are both high character individuals, but if they weren't happy here I wonder what motivated them to do it?

Answer, I think is that transferring out was purely a BB decision; not about the school or the people here.
 
I liked Smith, and as I said when he committed to SJU he will be a help. He's not LeBron. He's a better shooter than Dunn but will provide Dunn-level production in his own way. Dunn is gone too remember. So we have lost Dunn, Williams, Duke, Moore, and Cole from the rotation and replaced them with Smith. That sure sounds like a Wednesday night BE team to me. 


CMA does not need to plug holes now, he has craters to fill. He better get busy, SJU isn't paying him to be a good guy. 
 
NCJohnnie post=428823 said:
I'm really sorry to see this as Greg has been one of my favorite Johnnies of the past few years. But aside from whether this individual move is good for Greg and regardless of who we have feelers out for, it's not a good look when this much of your team wants to transfer out. Bad day imho. 


With likely a terrible year to follow.
 
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I could post faster but I choice not to already posted about Earlington.You never liked to hear diff opinions .but all is good just the team going forward is important
 
“Why would Champagnie ever come back?”

why wouldn’t he?  He gets all the PT he wants and most of the guys we lost weren’t even starters.  Add one or two good transfers on top of Stef and we will likely be better than last year.  People are overestimating the losses based on numbers alone.  
 
MCNPA post=429019 said:
“Why would Champagnie ever come back?”

why wouldn’t he?  He gets all the PT he wants and most of the guys we lost weren’t even starters.  Add one or two good transfers on top of Stef and we will likely be better than last year.  People are overestimating the losses based on numbers alone.  

lol, we essentially lost the whole team.  Love now some try to sugarcoat this.  If I were Champ, I wouldn’t feel much allegiance to coming back.  Why not just transfer somewhere better.
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I feel like billthetruth's opinions aren't popular but he's not talking nonsense so I'll have his back a little

Williams was one of the most inconsistent players on St. John's in recent memory. Between injuries and confidence/lack of aggression/whatever he just hasn't been reliable for a full season. Someone said there hasn't been a bad word said about Greg until today. Really? Maybe not about him as a person. He's a great guy so we all say it nicely but I really thought his injuries and offensive issues were something that came up often. It seemed like everyone agreed that his potential as a ball player has always been greater than his output.

I wish he stayed. I'm not saying, "Addition by subtraction." but the truth is I thought he'd be better as a sophmore than he was and more consistent as a junior than he was. Maybe that changes as a senior maybe not. We can't afford to lose Greg WIlliams if we had a game tmmrw. Nobody here has any clue if that will still be true in a couple of months. The Final Four hasn't even been played yet. If the final roster seems to be an obvious downgrade I'll be upset. None of this is meant as a slight against Williams who is a talented and mature guy. I think we may be missing the player we wanted Greg Williams to be more than the player he actually was. I genuinely hope he tears it up wherever he goes.

Probably unpopular as well but this is my honest assessment of what he's been here.
 
Boo Harvey post=429011 said:
Why would Champagnie ever come back?
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Why wouldn't he?  He knows the system, knows he role, has arguably the best PG in the conference next year as the guy getting him the ball, and this system and style of play is what put him on NBA scout radars.

Also, as I posted in another thread, this is not a St. John's problem with transfers it's a everybody problem.  There's currently 74 teams with at least 5 transfers this off-season and that number is growing by the day, they expect over 1,500 transfers when it's all said and done, that would be an average of over 4 transfers per school.  

Now, if the staff doesn't bring in quality transfers, then yes, you can then ask the question why would Champ return.  However, they are on some pretty good name transfers, and they've already landed a 13 PPG transfer with NCAA tournament experience and coming from a winning program.  They land a couple more guys like that and the roster is actually better than it was last year.
 
QueensBall post=429026 said:
I feel like billthetruth's opinions aren't popular but he's not talking nonsense so I'll have his back a little

Williams was one of the most inconsistent players on St. John's in recent memory. Between injuries and confidence/lack of aggression/whatever he just hasn't been reliable for a full season. Someone said there hasn't been a bad word said about Greg until today. Really? Maybe not about him as a person. He's a great guy so we all say it nicely but I really thought his injuries and offensive issues were something that came up often. It seemed like everyone agreed that his potential as a ball player has always been greater than his output.

I wish he stayed. I'm not saying, "Addition by subtraction." but the truth is I thought he'd be better as a sophmore than he was and more consistent as a junior than he was. Maybe that changes as a senior maybe not. We can't afford to lose Greg WIlliams if we had a game tmmrw. Nobody here has any clue if that will still be true in a couple of months. The Final Four hasn't even been played yet. If the final roster seems to be an obvious downgrade I'll be upset. None of this is meant as a slight against Williams who is a talented and mature guy. I think we may be missing the player we wanted Greg Williams to be more than the player he actually was. I genuinely hope he tears it up wherever he goes.

Probably unpopular as well but this is my honest assessment of what he's been here.

Thanks, sometimes the unpopular opinion is not the wrong one. We shall see.

I was way more upset when we lost just LJ than all these guys combined. Why? Because he was a high Big East level player and showed it the 2 years he was here. NONE of these transfers this year have come within a country mile of being as productive as Figgy was in his 2 years here. I'm all about getting more talent here. We have a golden opportunity to do such that over the next 3 months.

It is a process, can we let it play out before throwing stones at the best staff we have had here since Louie's days  
 
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Jeff Smith post=428968 said:
Enough with the great person whom I wish the best of luck to when somebody jumps ship. That doesn’t do anything for us. Every post should be What the hell is going on with this school and not being able to keep/attract kids?  

What's going on with this school that can't attract/keep kids you ask?  How about the fact that the school  is at a disadvantage compared to other high major programs.
1. CMA runs a clean program, with the proof being his difficulty so far to land 4 star kids.
2. Facilities are not at the level of most if not all  major programs.
3. Home court is less than overwhelming.  That was fine 20 years ago, but is not a match for the modern arenas other schools can afford.
4.  Only 3 NCAA invites in the past 20 years, and no wins. There are still college kids that want to go to the dance, and the more the better.
 
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As much as I get Earlington's departure, I just don't get Williams leaving at all. 

He was essentially being penciled in for 30 mins a night provided he stays healthy.

But that's 2021. 
 
section10 post=428864 said:
CMA  not a fatherly figure?
paging sherman, sheridan, grant, and longstreet
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Who knows with this generation of kids...not saying this was the case here but just speaking based on what I see with my 26 year old and others...high maintenance needing a lot of coddling and propping up

I am very surprised by this one as he was a starter and presumably would have been next year as well.

Might simply be that these kids are not interested in anything less than 35 minutes and being a focal point.

I’ve always believed that in College Basketball, the allegiance to the school drives fandom more so than the players - and hence why allowing high schoolers to go directly to the pros will have little effect on interest in the college game. However, if this type of flux becomes the norm, fans will start to look at college bball as just another form of professional sports - and interest levels could be adversely impacted. Hopefully, as some have suggested, there will be a period during which schools will adapt.
 
This transfer rule is nuts. Especially for us. We are talking about men with developed bodies but less developed reasoning skills, patience and insight. Before international basketball, players that they weren't good enough for pro ball were more into school, team loyalty and unity. Now, almost every player sees themself as a future professional that just needs showcasing.   If a coach even looks at a player wrong, it's off to the transfer portal we go.  Four guys are gone, or likely gone, and one is looking at his NBA draft position. There are players out there that are better than the players we are losing. This should n0t be that difficult. But it likely will be here at St. john's/
 
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