Greg W Enters Portal

[billthetruth]

I don’t get it.  All these guys leaving.  At what point does CMA accept responsibility?
Maybe he isn’t the kind old fatherly guy we have been led to believe.

I don't see any correlation with him being a fatherly figure.  These were not his recruits.  

Greg and Marcellus could have left in April of 19 when CMA was hired.  And then we would have recruited more McGriff's than Julian's and likely had a horrible year 1.  They stuck around and gave it a shot and now they are entering the last or last 2 years of their college tenure depending on their ambitions beyond and want to try something else.  I thank them for the past 2 years under CMA.  I wish them luck elsewhere.  And for CMA he can go out and recruit with 2 above 500 years under his belt and not 1 or 2 disaster years as he started his time at SJU.

A level headed post...not many of them these days. You would think we lost Artest, Mullin, Jackson, and Jason Williams the last 2 weeks. 
 

 

[Amaseinyourface]

I don’t get it.  All these guys leaving.  At what point does CMA accept responsibility?
Maybe he isn’t the kind old fatherly guy we have been led to believe.

I don't see any correlation with him being a fatherly figure.  These were not his recruits.  

Greg and Marcellus could have left in April of 19 when CMA was hired.  And then we would have recruited more McGriff's than Julian's and likely had a horrible year 1.  They stuck around and gave it a shot and now they are entering the last or last 2 years of their college tenure depending on their ambitions beyond and want to try something else.  I thank them for the past 2 years under CMA.  I wish them luck elsewhere.  And for CMA he can go out and recruit with 2 above 500 years under his belt and not 1 or 2 disaster years as he started his time at SJU.

I agree with most of what you said, but going out now and recruiting to replace 70% of the team seems like a much different approach than CMA would prefer.
Are you recruiting to build? Or are you recruiting to fill? He seems like a builder, and this landscape seems much more friendlier to fillers.

 

[IDRAFT]

As for this not being a big deal, like Greg is not a very talented player. Like Owens, who started his senior year for a team in the NCAA championship game. Like LJ who started his senior year for a Sweet Sixteen team? 

Greg Williams is exactly the type of senior that very good teams have on their rosters. And SJU is never a very good team because they never keep anyone around long enough to be that player.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

As for this not being a big deal, like Greg is not a very talented player. Like Owens, who started his senior year for a team in the NCAA championship game. Like LJ who started his senior year for a Sweet Sixteen team? 

Greg Williams is exactly the type of senior that very good teams have on their rosters. And SJU is never a very good team because they never keep anyone around long enough to be that player.

1000000%!! It’s Greg for me, that simple. You recruit kids in hopes you have a Greg Williams 4 years later.

 

[Alex9045]

Sucks to lose Greg, I like him a lot. But if this lands us a Kadary Richmond I'm okay with it.

 

[Moose]

I don’t get it.  All these guys leaving.  At what point does CMA accept responsibility?
Maybe he isn’t the kind old fatherly guy we have been led to believe.

I don't see any correlation with him being a fatherly figure.  These were not his recruits.  

Greg and Marcellus could have left in April of 19 when CMA was hired.  And then we would have recruited more McGriff's than Julian's and likely had a horrible year 1.  They stuck around and gave it a shot and now they are entering the last or last 2 years of their college tenure depending on their ambitions beyond and want to try something else.  I thank them for the past 2 years under CMA.  I wish them luck elsewhere.  And for CMA he can go out and recruit with 2 above 500 years under his belt and not 1 or 2 disaster years as he started his time at SJU.

I agree with most of what you said, but going out now and recruiting to replace 70% of the team seems like a much different approach than CMA would prefer.
Are you recruiting to build? Or are you recruiting to fill? He seems like a builder, and this landscape seems much more friendlier to fillers.

I agree not ideal.  But out of all the guys who transferred fair to say 3 of the 6 actually we're important pieces.  Greg and Marcellus were fan favorites because they were upper classmen.  Moore played a lot but we see how flighty he was.  Cole seemed to have few supporters and McGriff while scrappy never played.  Add in Caraher who nice kid but over his head.  So 3 of the 6 were pieces and 2 weren't his kids.  You need 1-10 on a roster.  After that 11-13 aren't going to play and very likely to leave in this immediate satisfaction world.

 

[NYCRedmen]

BREAKING NEWS - even our mascot is transferring 
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[stjohnnie75]

BREAKING NEWS - even our mascot is transferring 
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Replaceable

 

[billthetruth]

As the HOF coach Bill Parcells would say: you are what your record says you are.

Greg Williams is a career 5.6 points per game scorer. 

And don't give me he did not get enough run the last 3 years. Great players force coaches hands and create their opportunities. 

 

[monte]

I don’t get it.  All these guys leaving.  At what point does CMA accept responsibility?
Maybe he isn’t the kind old fatherly guy we have been led to believe.

Although, it's not a good look, I'm not gonna quickly jump to conclusions considering the amount of players transferring in college basketball. 

Let's see what happens when the smoke clears which is similarly to what billthetruth alluded to above. 

Maybe just maybe some of these guys are not made for the tough practices that CMA runs and what is expected from them on a daily basis. Ewing seems to run his program with the old school JT rules and similar intense daily practices. Some guys are just not cut out for strict rules. If that is case I am glad we are bringing in 7 new guys. Maybe we will not get killed by DePaul at home again with NCAA tournament on the line. 

There is a reason CMA has never had a losing season and why he will not next year when everything settles


Times are changing Bill. The old way of doing things is no more. Like with any business, those who adapt will succeed, and those who don't will be gone. I said from the beginning that I don't care how CMA gets it done, just so long as he gets it done. CMA's blueprint for success(tough love, developing players over time, 40 minutes of hell, etc) may not work in the new era of college basketball. Time will tell if he can adapt.
 

 

[Amaseinyourface]

As the HOF coach Bill Parcells would say: you are what your record says you are.

Greg Williams is a career 5.6 points per game scorer. 

And don't give me he did not get enough run the last 3 years. Great players force coaches hands and create their opportunities. 

If you think giving Greg’s career ppg is an accurate representation of the type of player we just lost than that explains your stance. But it’s no where close to accurate.

 

[billthetruth]

As the HOF coach Bill Parcells would say: you are what your record says you are.

Greg Williams is a career 5.6 points per game scorer. 

And don't give me he did not get enough run the last 3 years. Great players force coaches hands and create their opportunities. 

If you think giving Greg’s career ppg is an accurate representation of the type of player we just lost than that explains your stance. But it’s no where close to accurate.

Agree to disagree. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I believe that Smith and the 2 other guards we bring in this offseason will all give us more than Williams has to date. 
 

 

[Mullins Revenge]

I have never heard one negative thing from anyone about Greg Williams until today.

 

[billthetruth]

And again after 3 years, a great player (all league players) would have already shown to be such.

He is a good person and nice player, but his game has a lot of flaws in my opinion.

 

[bamafan]

I have never heard one negative thing from anyone about Greg Williams until today.

 

Girlfriend breaks up with you not the time for platitudes.

 

[billthetruth]

I have never heard one negative thing from anyone about Greg Williams until today.


Other than Creighton game last year at Carnesecca, refresh me on what games the last 3 years you said wow, Greg Williams carried us to victory and was the difference. I cant recall many, but then again, I must be missing something.

I love Dunn's tenacity, but he was a mid-major talent and Williams could not outplay him. Thats the facts
 

 

[Amaseinyourface]

And again after 3 years, a great player (all league players) would have already shown to be such.

He is a good person and nice player, but his game has a lot of flaws in my opinion.

Sir Dom would have just been shown the door after his junior year

 

[Amaseinyourface]

I have never heard one negative thing from anyone about Greg Williams until today.


Other than Creighton game last year at Carnesecca, refresh me on what games the last 3 years you said wow, Greg Williams carried us to victory and was the difference. I cant recall many, but then again, I must be missing something.

I love Dunn's tenacity, but he was a mid-major talent and Williams could not outplay him. Thats the facts

 

And those “mid-major” talents were part of a backcourt that was amongst the upper half in the big East. When you do that you’re not really mid-major talent. You’re quality BE talent.

 

[monte]

I have never heard one negative thing from anyone about Greg Williams until today.


Other than Creighton game last year at Carnesecca, refresh me on what games the last 3 years you said wow, Greg Williams carried us to victory and was the difference. I cant recall many, but then again, I must be missing something.

I love Dunn's tenacity, but he was a mid-major talent and Williams could not outplay him. Thats the facts

Dunn would have been a good role player on a very good team. Which we were not. He should not have had to be a 30MPG player at this level. Same may well hold true for Smith: very good mid major player who is asked to possibly do more then his skills sets allow. Certainly not banking on him to be superior to either Dunn or GWill. 
 

 

[JohnnyFan]

Ouch......this one hurts. Greg was, by far, my favorite current Johnny and was really looking forward to his senior year.

Class act, intelligent player, solid defender, team leader and one of the most accurate 3 point shooters in the Big East.  I believe, if healthy, Greg was going to explode.

Can't blame CMA for the exodus when over 1,000 kids are in the portal.  It's a unique year and we're not the only team suffering this outcome.   However, I do agree that we have to figure out how to keep this type of player.  When you're not getting the top tier recruits, you have to benefit from upperclassmen.

Best of luck, Greg.