Georgia, Sun., Nov. 24, 11am, CBSSN

lawmanfan said:
Jenkins would be competing with Ayo for PT on this team.

I mean, you're entitled to your opinion. You could be of the opinion that Mullin is a better coach than Pitino too, if you want.
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I don’t believe that Lawman for the simple reason that Pitino loves guys who know his system. He doesn’t trust guys who don’t have a total grasp of it unless he’s forced to. Jenkins knew his system inside and out from the years he played for him. He would start on this in the early season. Whether it would be like that come January I don’t know. But, in my opinion, Jenkins was very under appreciated here. He was a hell of a player for us. We win that Georgia game if he was our lead guard. His grit and determination are missed this year so far.
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
Not only that but , let’s face it , Richmond has played for 2 HOF Coaches, Boeheim and Pitino and1 newer Coach Shaheen Holloway who is a very good Coach on his way to making his mark up the ladder .

None of the 3 seemed able to fix or improve
any of his skills that need work . As far as we can tell at this point .
He’s gotten a big payday but , you can take it to the bank , he’s not going to be in the NBA next year . Maybe G league .

So far , he hasn’t delivered any evidence that he’s the difference maker on this team . Frankly , he’s been a pretty big disappointment .
Poor handle , no outside shot , slow in the lane with no burst to rid a defender.

Plus , with Richmond , Smith , Luis on the Court together , there is only 1 Basketball for them to share . Their skills are not complimentary to each other .

What made Pitino think he was going to fix Kadary when Holloway and Boeheim couldn’t ?
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I do not see him with G league skills
 
NCJohnnie said:
Kadary was first team all Big East last year and the main reason Hall deserved to dance so don't think Holloway would complain about what he got from him. As far as NBA potential, really don't see how that matters one lick with respect to his value to our team. Lots of players who were excellent college players and key to their teams last year such as Armando Bacot, Daniss Jenkins & Tristan Newton are either in the G League or warming their team's bench with no PT this year; completely different game.
He's not a shooter but that doesn't mean he can't be a huge difference maker for us; he's had a couple of bad games recently, but a little early to start writing him off imho. Does need to tighten up his passing and dribbling and get on the floor after loose balls, but I believe he will - time will tell.
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So if no coach was able to improve Kadary..how did he wind up pre season all big east this year? And why did the experts say he was the no 1 guard in portal this year? I guess his native talent is just that good?
 
Marillac2 said:
Crazy
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How is that crazy? Kadary had the same amount of turnovers as he had points. He was 1-8 from the field and 1-3 from the line. He had a well below replacement level game. Any average D1 level guard would have won that game for us had they played in place of Kadary on Sunday. It's not really debatable
 
Marillac2 said:
Crazy
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Jenkins numbers last year vs Kadary this year.

ORating
Jenkins 114
Kadary 98

eFG%
Jenkins 51.2%
Kadary 46.7%

Assist Rate
Jenkins 32.3
Kadary 25.6

TO Rate (lower is better)
Jenkins 17.8
Kadary 24.3

Blk rate
Jenkins 1.9
Kadary 2.0

Steal rate
Jenkins 3.0
Kadary 2.7

Jenkins numbers last year are straight up lapping Kadary's numbers so far this year and 4 of Kadary's 7 games have been against sub 100 KP teams. There's no doubt the team would be better through the first 7 games with Jenkins instead of Kadary and we probably win the Georgia game with Eugene Lawrence instead of Kadary, let alone Daniss Jenkins.

Going forward I expect Kadary to significantly improve (at least I really hope he does) but to this point he's been vastly underperforming what Jenkins was last year.
 
MugCostanza said:
Jenkins numbers last year vs Kadary this year.

ORating
Jenkins 114
Kadary 98

eFG%
Jenkins 51.2%
Kadary 46.7%

Assist Rate
Jenkins 32.3
Kadary 25.6

TO Rate (lower is better)
Jenkins 17.8
Kadary 24.3

Blk rate
Jenkins 1.9
Kadary 2.0

Steal rate
Jenkins 3.0
Kadary 2.7

Jenkins numbers last year are straight up lapping Kadary's numbers so far this year and 4 of Kadary's 7 games have been against sub 100 KP teams. There's no doubt the team would be better through the first 7 games with Jenkins instead of Kadary and we probably win the Georgia game with Eugene Lawrence instead of Kadary, let alone Daniss Jenkins.

Going forward I expect Kadary to significantly improve (at least I really hope he does) but to this point he's been vastly underperforming what Jenkins was last year.
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And that doesn’t even factor in intangibles, which are off the charts (if they could be put on charts) in Jenkins favor. And personally, I am already tired of hearing about LAST YEAR, or PREDICTIONS for this year where Richmond, or anyone for that matter, is concerned. History and subjective opinions are completely irrelevant to the here and now, for everyone.
 
MugCostanza said:
How is that crazy? Kadary had the same amount of turnovers as he had points. He was 1-8 from the field and 1-3 from the line. He had a well below replacement level game. Any average D1 level guard would have won that game for us had they played in place of Kadary on Sunday. It's not really debatable
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Putting aside how awful of a teammate I think Jenkins was, he was also weakest player I’ve ever see here and we got crushed with physical play. Georgia intentionally made the game dirty like Norm was coaching them.

This would have been the worse matchup for him of any team he played here. That PG would have also punished him with drives.

Witcher is like The Rock compared to Jenkins and Georgia made him look like a child.
 
Marillac2 said:
Putting aside how awful of a teammate I think Jenkins was, he was also weakest player I’ve ever see here and we got crushed with physical play. Georgia intentionally made the game dirty like Norm was coaching them.

This would have been the worse matchup for him of any team he played here. That PG would have also punished him with drives.

Witcher is like The Rock compared to Jenkins and Georgia made him look like a child.
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Completely ridiculous statement considering Jenkins played well against several physical teams last year including UConn.

Even if Georgia was able to drive on Jenkins (though doubtful considering Dunlap wasn’t even a huge liability defensively in that game)
I think he would have performed way better than the 1-8, 2 assist, 3 turnover line Kadary had to more than make up that difference on the other end
 
MugCostanza said:
Completely ridiculous statement considering Jenkins played well against several physical teams last year including UConn.

Even if Georgia was able to drive on Jenkins (though doubtful considering Dunlap wasn’t even a huge liability defensively in that game)
I think he would have performed way better than the 1-8, 2 assist, 3 turnover line Kadary had to more than make up that difference on the other end
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UConn was a skilled, finesse team last year. They spaced the floor. Georgia did the opposite. They purposefully turned it into an ugly rock fight and eliminated space.

They literally fouled every play and the refs acquiesced to that style.

Kadary was awful, but at least there is hope with him. I am 100% confident we’d miss the tournament with Jenkins. I am also 100% confident we would have made the tournament if we switched him for Smith or Richmond last year. Obviously that’s just speculative since we weren’t fortunate enough to find out.
 
carmineabbatiello said:
Ok. But would it be a massive underachievement given our history this millennium and the fact that we're the worst Big East franchise not named Depaul? Me thinks not.
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Last year I would have been pleased with squeaking into the tournament. This is year two of the Pitino era and we have a loaded roster. I think Pitino will be here five years at best so if this investment is going to pay off, we better realize some real success soon.
 
Boo Harvey said:
if this investment is going to pay off, we better realize some real success soon.
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My point exactly. "IF this investment is going to pay off". I admire all the posters on here and in Garden city predicting sweet sixteens back then and final fours once we hit #22. The level of optimism fans, other than me, can garner is impressive. Just feel it's a giant IF and not confident it can be good for us once again. Something always?...happens.
 
carmineabbatiello said:
My point exactly. "IF this investment is going to pay off". I admire all the posters on here and in Garden city predicting sweet sixteens back then and final fours once we hit #22. The level of optimism fans, other than me, can garner is impressive. Just feel it's a giant IF and not confident it can be good for us once again. Something always?...happens.
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2 losses to tournament teams by a total of 4 points, the first of which we shot ourselves in the foot. Let's see how things look in another month before throwing in the towel.
 
lawmanfan said:
Jenkins would be competing with Ayo for PT on this team.
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Marillac2 said:
Witcher is like The Rock compared to Jenkins and Georgia made him look like a child.
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I'm gonna say this once, Simeon Wilcher is not even close to Daniss Jenkins at this point in his development. If you think Wilcher is tougher or would be getting more playing time than Jenkins on this team, you are incredibly mistaken.

But, I am glad the Jenkins haters have planted their flag on Kadary island. Time for you guys to have a season where you are defending your guy from constant critique lol
 
Jack Williams said:
I'm gonna say this once, Simeon Wilcher is not even close to Daniss Jenkins at this point in his development. If you think Wilcher is tougher or would be getting more playing time than Jenkins on this team, you are incredibly mistaken.

But, I am glad the Jenkins haters have planted their flag on Kadary island. Time for you guys to have a season where you are defending your guy from constant critique lol
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Yeah, it is imperative that Sim get much stronger in off season. He has done a nice job recognizing his mid range game at this point of his development is his best weapon. I believe his range out to three point line will come in time, but the missing piece is adding strength so he can effectively drive and finish at the rim. I’m sure staff realizes that.
 
Jack Williams said:
I'm gonna say this once, Simeon Wilcher is not even close to Daniss Jenkins at this point in his development. If you think Wilcher is tougher or would be getting more playing time than Jenkins on this team, you are incredibly mistaken.

But, I am glad the Jenkins haters have planted their flag on Kadary island. Time for you guys to have a season where you are defending your guy from constant critique lol
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There's a 4 year difference between the 2 of them. Ridiculous comparison.
 
tom in salem said:
2 losses to tournament teams by a total of 4 points, the first of which we shot ourselves in the foot. Let's see how things look in another month before throwing in the towel.
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I'm not half Schleprock and half Eeyore because of the 2 close Bahama losses. I'm this way because of everything that's happened the last 24 years with a sprinkling of Singleton and similar sprinkled in for good measure. Seems like everyone else is able to view each year's team as a uniquely, separate, stand alone entity. I view it as a related continuum of heartbreak and suckiness.
 
Jack Williams said:
I'm gonna say this once, Simeon Wilcher is not even close to Daniss Jenkins at this point in his development. If you think Wilcher is tougher or would be getting more playing time than Jenkins on this team, you are incredibly mistaken.

But, I am glad the Jenkins haters have planted their flag on Kadary island. Time for you guys to have a season where you are defending your guy from constant critique lol
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Simply put, if Jenkins hadn't seized control of our team and destiny, the season would have gone much worse. Jordan Dingle never fully acclimated to major conference play, and without Jenkins God knows how badly it would have gone.

That being said, Wilcher may have a higher ceiling than Jenkins, though obviously not at the level of Daniss yet, though obviously he is the 3rd guard behind 2 senior players. He isn't being tossed the keys to lead the team to their destiny due to a void the way Jenkins was. Jenkins would not have had the ball so often, shot so much, and stood out on this year's roster. He'd likely have been the 3rd guard this year and that's not a shot at him.

Next year, short of some major portal signings, Wilcher will have more of the spotlight. Until then he will have his moments, make some mistakes, and continue to improve.
 
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