Georgetown 1st Game

Quote from hoya board re our halfcourt sets (or lack thereof)

"What shocked me the most about this game was how terrible St. John's halfcourt offense was. If they can't get a shot in the first ten seconds of the shot clock, they just stand around running ineffective high pick-and-rolls until someone had to take an off-balance jumpshot with 5 seconds left.

It actually makes me wonder what Lavin does in practice, if their halfcourt sets are that poor. Their offense looked like a pickup game at Yates, with lots of turnovers due to miscommunications. It looked like those guys had never played together before."
 
I'm loving those tweets by Lavin. He seemed to make it clear that he is going to let these banged up guys get rest, which is reassuring.

He hit the nail on the head with how Georgetown played us, and it is going to be up to him to come up with gameplan next time we play them. Because if we win our next two home games against SH and Xavier, we will be playing for a tournament bid IMO against Georgetown, assuming we don't lose to MQ after that.
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Spot on Jack. I would imagine this week will be off/film today, full practice tomorrow, walk through/shoot on Friday before the early tip Saturday. At this stage in the season there's not much 2-3 hard practices are going to do, it's about getting healthy/rested and strategically prepared for Seton Hall. With respect to the latter there is certainly plenty to review from December 31.
 
Quote from hoya board re our halfcourt sets (or lack thereof)

"What shocked me the most about this game was how terrible St. John's halfcourt offense was. If they can't get a shot in the first ten seconds of the shot clock, they just stand around running ineffective high pick-and-rolls until someone had to take an off-balance jumpshot with 5 seconds left.

It actually makes me wonder what Lavin does in practice, if their halfcourt sets are that poor. Their offense looked like a pickup game at Yates, with lots of turnovers due to miscommunications. It looked like those guys had never played together before."
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someone should tell that guy we've had that issue on every team for the past 10 years
 
I'm loving those tweets by Lavin. He seemed to make it clear that he is going to let these banged up guys get rest, which is reassuring.

He hit the nail on the head with how Georgetown played us, and it is going to be up to him to come up with gameplan next time we play them. Because if we win our next two home games against SH and Xavier, we will be playing for a tournament bid IMO against Georgetown, assuming we don't lose to MQ after that.
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Spot on Jack. I would imagine this week will be off/film today, full practice tomorrow, walk through/shoot on Friday before the early tip Saturday. At this stage in the season there's not much 2-3 hard practices are going to do, it's about getting healthy/rested and strategically prepared for Seton Hall. With respect to the latter there is certainly plenty to review from December 31.
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Out half court looked great the game before. I think that is a testament to the Hoya defense.
 
We looked like a team playing its 3rd game in 7 days last night. Paired with a matchup against the most physical team in the Big East, who hadn't played in 8 days, in a building that has just been treacherous for us...and we were probably down 15 before the game started.

I don't know if there is anything that could have been done to change the outcome, and that's fine. It was a house money game under difficult circumstances. It appears that there will be no surplus with this team this year, will come right down to the wire.

With this being said, it is curious with a tired team, on the road, with two of its top six players clearly banged up, that SJU only used one timeout last night, with 55 seconds left in the first half. I understand staff is seemingly contractually required to save timeouts to break up our own runs around the 8-minute mark of the second half - :cheer: - but when GTown goes 13-0 to take us from +4 to -9 in about 4 minutes, that's usually a decent time to break up the action!

Have to give credit to JT3. He understands probably better than any coach we've faced the last four years that if you cut off our head - Harrison - we're going to have a tough time winning the game. Granted there just seems to be a lid on the rims in DC for him, but GTown makes a point from the tip of being physical with him and focusing on taking him away.

On to the homestand that will make or break the season.
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Well said 15. The wild cards now appear to be having Dee & Chris relatively healthy to hold serve at home. When Dee is scoring, he opens things up for others. Without CO at even 80%, we are an accident waiting to happen down low. Additionally, on an offensively challenged team, especially in half court, getting a solid contribution from Jordan is a must. His enigmatic play, especially when he has to fill a void when Harrison struggles, absolutely kills us.

I never take any team/game for granted, but if training staff feels Obekpa could benefit from sitting out Saturday, I would go that route. We need him playing at a high level facing Xavier & GT, teams obviously with strong interior play. Beat Seton Hall!
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As we know by know, no injury short of amputation would keep Harrison off the court. Not in his DNA, and it's resides in the same spot that makes him such a gamer. He's playing for the post-season, and even if we weren't, he's determined to savor every last drop of his SJU experience. Obekpa, I'm not so sure, but I think Delgado could go off on us. Thinking about it, do you think Dom will guard Delgado in any case?
 
It was a bad sign when we were down 10 at the half and they were 0 for 10 from 3. They proceeded to hit their first 7 threes in the second half.

Get three of the next five and win one BET game.

Jordan and Harrison need to get back on track at home.
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Have a hard time seeing them make the tournament if they go 0-6 against Villanova, Butler, and Georgetown. Need to show you can beat those teams.
 
We looked like a team playing its 3rd game in 7 days last night. Paired with a matchup against the most physical team in the Big East, who hadn't played in 8 days, in a building that has just been treacherous for us...and we were probably down 15 before the game started.

I don't know if there is anything that could have been done to change the outcome, and that's fine. It was a house money game under difficult circumstances. It appears that there will be no surplus with this team this year, will come right down to the wire.

With this being said, it is curious with a tired team, on the road, with two of its top six players clearly banged up, that SJU only used one timeout last night, with 55 seconds left in the first half. I understand staff is seemingly contractually required to save timeouts to break up our own runs around the 8-minute mark of the second half - :cheer: - but when GTown goes 13-0 to take us from +4 to -9 in about 4 minutes, that's usually a decent time to break up the action!

Have to give credit to JT3. He understands probably better than any coach we've faced the last four years that if you cut off our head - Harrison - we're going to have a tough time winning the game. Granted there just seems to be a lid on the rims in DC for him, but GTown makes a point from the tip of being physical with him and focusing on taking him away.

On to the homestand that will make or break the season.
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Well said 15. The wild cards now appear to be having Dee & Chris relatively healthy to hold serve at home. When Dee is scoring, he opens things up for others. Without CO at even 80%, we are an accident waiting to happen down low. Additionally, on an offensively challenged team, especially in half court, getting a solid contribution from Jordan is a must. His enigmatic play, especially when he has to fill a void when Harrison struggles, absolutely kills us.

I never take any team/game for granted, but if training staff feels Obekpa could benefit from sitting out Saturday, I would go that route. We need him playing at a high level facing Xavier & GT, teams obviously with strong interior play. Beat Seton Hall!
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As we know by know, no injury short of amputation would keep Harrison off the court. Not in his DNA, and it's resides in the same spot that makes him such a gamer. He's playing for the post-season, and even if we weren't, he's determined to savor every last drop of his SJU experience. Obekpa, I'm not so sure, but I think Delgado could go off on us. Thinking about it, do you think Dom will guard Delgado in any case?
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I think Dom could. Btw, expect Karlis, decent shooter, to pick up Gibbs minutes & SH will play a lot of three guard offense. Desi R will also play multiple forward positions. Agree on Dee point.
 
We looked like a team playing its 3rd game in 7 days last night. Paired with a matchup against the most physical team in the Big East, who hadn't played in 8 days, in a building that has just been treacherous for us...and we were probably down 15 before the game started.

I don't know if there is anything that could have been done to change the outcome, and that's fine. It was a house money game under difficult circumstances. It appears that there will be no surplus with this team this year, will come right down to the wire.

With this being said, it is curious with a tired team, on the road, with two of its top six players clearly banged up, that SJU only used one timeout last night, with 55 seconds left in the first half. I understand staff is seemingly contractually required to save timeouts to break up our own runs around the 8-minute mark of the second half - :cheer: - but when GTown goes 13-0 to take us from +4 to -9 in about 4 minutes, that's usually a decent time to break up the action!

Have to give credit to JT3. He understands probably better than any coach we've faced the last four years that if you cut off our head - Harrison - we're going to have a tough time winning the game. Granted there just seems to be a lid on the rims in DC for him, but GTown makes a point from the tip of being physical with him and focusing on taking him away.

On to the homestand that will make or break the season.
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Well said 15. The wild cards now appear to be having Dee & Chris relatively healthy to hold serve at home. When Dee is scoring, he opens things up for others. Without CO at even 80%, we are an accident waiting to happen down low. Additionally, on an offensively challenged team, especially in half court, getting a solid contribution from Jordan is a must. His enigmatic play, especially when he has to fill a void when Harrison struggles, absolutely kills us.

I never take any team/game for granted, but if training staff feels Obekpa could benefit from sitting out Saturday, I would go that route. We need him playing at a high level facing Xavier & GT, teams obviously with strong interior play. Beat Seton Hall!
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As we know by know, no injury short of amputation would keep Harrison off the court. Not in his DNA, and it's resides in the same spot that makes him such a gamer. He's playing for the post-season, and even if we weren't, he's determined to savor every last drop of his SJU experience. Obekpa, I'm not so sure, but I think Delgado could go off on us. Thinking about it, do you think Dom will guard Delgado in any case?
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I think Dom could. Btw, expect Karlis, decent shooter, to pick up Gibbs minutes & SH will play a lot of three guard offense. Desi R will also play multiple forward positions. Agree on Dee point.
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With or without Obekpa, think we have had better success containing bigs (second half St. Mary's, Gonzaga) by fronting with Pointer. Preferably with Obekpa to help, as that is his real strength, but even without him we are an outstanding help D team such that it lends itself to this approach. Don't know if Delgado warrants that treatment or not, as where he really hurt us the first time was by demoralizing us on the backboard, but generally think it is a winning strategy for us when dealing with impact bigs.
 
Obekpa could not guard Josh Smith, like most BE players. It was like trying to move a mountain. When JS is in the game we need JDR or Ali guarding him and help. Hoyas do a great job working the ball down to Smith. JS gets tired because he is so big so it is best to put Ali in there and move him around on the perimeter and make him work when we are on O. I think long offensive possessions with Ali running from side to side on 3 point line would be extremely effective against JS. They would be forced to pull him and he would be less effective on O.
 
Obekpa could not guard Josh Smith, like most BE players. It was like trying to move a mountain. When JS is in the game we need JDR or Ali guarding him and help. Hoyas do a great job working the ball down to Smith. JS gets tired because he is so big so it is best to put Ali in there and move him around on the perimeter and make him work when we are on O. I think long offensive possessions with Ali running from side to side on 3 point line would be extremely effective against JS. They would be forced to pull him and he would be less effective on O.
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Smith is not why we lost. In fact that's the one thing we did pretty well he shot 2-7. The reason for last night was halfcourt offense and once again 3pt defense.
 
We looked like a team playing its 3rd game in 7 days last night. Paired with a matchup against the most physical team in the Big East, who hadn't played in 8 days, in a building that has just been treacherous for us...and we were probably down 15 before the game started.

I don't know if there is anything that could have been done to change the outcome, and that's fine. It was a house money game under difficult circumstances. It appears that there will be no surplus with this team this year, will come right down to the wire.

With this being said, it is curious with a tired team, on the road, with two of its top six players clearly banged up, that SJU only used one timeout last night, with 55 seconds left in the first half. I understand staff is seemingly contractually required to save timeouts to break up our own runs around the 8-minute mark of the second half - :cheer: - but when GTown goes 13-0 to take us from +4 to -9 in about 4 minutes, that's usually a decent time to break up the action!

Have to give credit to JT3. He understands probably better than any coach we've faced the last four years that if you cut off our head - Harrison - we're going to have a tough time winning the game. Granted there just seems to be a lid on the rims in DC for him, but GTown makes a point from the tip of being physical with him and focusing on taking him away.

On to the homestand that will make or break the season.
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The best response I read out of all the post game reaction.
 
It would have been prudent to not play the injured players-take the loss-and expect to be at full strength for the remainder of the season.Risking further injury was to be questioned
 
It was a house money game under difficult circumstances.
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Just my opinion, but I don't think that when you are at break even (6-6), the concept of house money applies. House money means you are playing with profits, like gambling, or if you have made a ton of money on a stock and take your investment money back.

This was a very tall order, but we had a lot to gain and a decent amount to lose. We lost the steam on tourney talk, and reasonably can only afford one more regular season loss which most expect will occur at Villanova.
 
Obekpa could not guard Josh Smith, like most BE players. It was like trying to move a mountain. When JS is in the game we need JDR or Ali guarding him and help. Hoyas do a great job working the ball down to Smith. JS gets tired because he is so big so it is best to put Ali in there and move him around on the perimeter and make him work when we are on O. I think long offensive possessions with Ali running from side to side on 3 point line would be extremely effective against JS. They would be forced to pull him and he would be less effective on O.
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Smith is not why we lost. In fact that's the one thing we did pretty well he shot 2-7. The reason for last night was halfcourt offense and once again 3pt defense.
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Agree, that we lost this game for many reasons outside of JS, although he also went to the line a bunch. Just pointing out for next game. I was not surprised by the outcome of the game and expect us to play better next time we meet in MSG. We will shoot better and they will shoot worse.
 
Georgetown thoughts:http://www.bigeastboards.com
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Ive really come to enjoy reading your recaps but man for a guy that takes great joy in taking potshots at players and/or coaches your hands off approach to Jordan is very unbecoming. He stunk last night, more minutes wouldn't have changed that. Greene almost single handedly kept us in the game for about the 10 minutes we were in it and that's the guy you spew venom at? Fair and balanced please
 
Obekpa could not guard Josh Smith, like most BE players. It was like trying to move a mountain. When JS is in the game we need JDR or Ali guarding him and help. Hoyas do a great job working the ball down to Smith. JS gets tired because he is so big so it is best to put Ali in there and move him around on the perimeter and make him work when we are on O. I think long offensive possessions with Ali running from side to side on 3 point line would be extremely effective against JS. They would be forced to pull him and he would be less effective on O.
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Smith is not why we lost. In fact that's the one thing we did pretty well he shot 2-7. The reason for last night was halfcourt offense and once again 3pt defense.
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Agree, that we lost this game for many reasons outside of JS, although he also went to the line a bunch. Just pointing out for next game. I was not surprised by the outcome of the game and expect us to play better next time we meet in MSG. We will shoot better and they will shoot worse.
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Some points on why Josh Smith is difficult. He gets ball down low often drawing other players. He then is adroit at passing to open man. When he gets ball so deep & even if he misses a shot, it gives his team an offensive rebounding edge. It is not the points & rebounds he gets, but his impact on the game even in small doses. His size & dexterity also gets opposition in foul trouble. If I recall correctly, GT was in bonus far sooner than SJU. Imo the one way to negate him is to be running the court & winding him. We did that to Stainbrook, but could not establish that pace last night. On to the Hall.
 
Obekpa could not guard Josh Smith, like most BE players. It was like trying to move a mountain. When JS is in the game we need JDR or Ali guarding him and help. Hoyas do a great job working the ball down to Smith. JS gets tired because he is so big so it is best to put Ali in there and move him around on the perimeter and make him work when we are on O. I think long offensive possessions with Ali running from side to side on 3 point line would be extremely effective against JS. They would be forced to pull him and he would be less effective on O.
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Smith is not why we lost. In fact that's the one thing we did pretty well he shot 2-7. The reason for last night was halfcourt offense and once again 3pt defense.
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Agree, that we lost this game for many reasons outside of JS, although he also went to the line a bunch. Just pointing out for next game. I was not surprised by the outcome of the game and expect us to play better next time we meet in MSG. We will shoot better and they will shoot worse.
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Some points on why Josh Smith is difficult. He gets ball down low often drawing other players. He then is adroit at passing to open man. When he gets ball so deep & even if he misses a shot, it gives his team an offensive rebounding edge. It is not the points & rebounds he gets, but his impact on the game even in small doses. His size & dexterity also gets opposition in foul trouble. If I recall correctly, GT was in bonus far sooner than SJU. Imo the one way to negate him is to be running the court & winding him. We did that to Stainbrook, but could not establish that pace last night. On to the Hall.
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Exactly Spot On...
 
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