Georgetown 1st Game

It was a house money game under difficult circumstances.
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Just my opinion, but I don't think that when you are at break even (6-6), the concept of house money applies. House money means you are playing with profits, like gambling, or if you have made a ton of money on a stock and take your investment money back.

This was a very tall order, but we had a lot to gain and a decent amount to lose. We lost the steam on tourney talk, and reasonably can only afford one more regular season loss which most expect will occur at Villanova.

Agree that a team in our position needs every win it could get. The point I was trying to make was that, in my opinion, the game was a bonus relatively speaking. If last Wednesday at noon I had offered 2-1 over the next 3, I think everyone on this board would have taken it. Doesn't mean you don't want (or even need) 3 wins, but realistically we weren't going to do better than 2-1 playing 3 games in 7 days with a 6-man rotation, with the latter two being 2 of the 3 toughest road games in conference (other being Nova).

So while it may not have been house money under the traditional definition, I do think it was circumstantially. I don't think the loss really impacted us much in the Tournament Committee's eyes, and think it was mostly an upside game (massive upside at that, no doubt). Especially if we take care of business on this homestand, we can render last night neutral at worst, again contextually.

As I noted in another post, I think the real impact of not winning that there is no surplus and a continued lack of margin for error. I don't think we need to go 4-1. I do think we need to go 3-2. And even that will be difficult which is the benefit last night would have provided were it a W.
 
I don't know if anyone mentioned it since I didn't have the chance to read the full 48 pages but the biggest reason we lost is that Balamou didn't start. We had won 3 in a row with him starting and i was shocked that a superstitious coach such as Lavin made the late switch and started JDR. :p
 

Ive really come to enjoy reading your recaps but man for a guy that takes great joy in taking potshots at players and/or coaches your hands off approach to Jordan is very unbecoming. He stunk last night, more minutes wouldn't have changed that. Greene almost single handedly kept us in the game for about the 10 minutes we were in it and that's the guy you spew venom at? Fair and balanced please

In the first place, I don't maintain a web presence to be fair and balanced. Quite the opposite: I do it so that I can be as petty and mean spirited as I like, without interference from those who might find such musings untoward. To the extent that you disagree I appreciate your prerogative and thank you for reading. In the second, Phil Greene is not very good at basketball. He does one thing and that thing not very well. You'd be hard pressed to name a player in recent memory who was more selfish and one dimensional. He's a chucker. He's Avery Patterson with a slightly better FG percentage; all he lacks is a headband. No doubt he's a great guy and so forth, but I don't really care about that. I'm tired of watching him dribble around like he's Hindenburg probing the Maginot line and am counting the days until he graduates. As usual, YMMV. Re Jordan, he's been mishandled from the beginning, all of that being on Lavin. I'm not blind to his flaws, but from an entertainment POV I'd rather watch him play poorly, as he did last night, than watch Jamal Branch play well, to the extent that he's able, which is not very.
 
We lost because Dom lost the 'fro. Got lucky last Saturday.
 
I'm loving those tweets by Lavin. He seemed to make it clear that he is going to let these banged up guys get rest, which is reassuring.

He hit the nail on the head with how Georgetown played us, and it is going to be up to him to come up with gameplan next time we play them. Because if we win our next two home games against SH and Xavier, we will be playing for a tournament bid IMO against Georgetown, assuming we don't lose to MQ after that.
He should have given the banged up guys rest yesterday when the game got out of hand. And SHU isn't going to be the cakewalk everyone thinks it will be. If we play them ,like we did Georgetown ,we will walk away w a loss.
 
jerry palm on cbssports.com does a daily update on rpi.....yesterday our rpi was 42....today it is 42.....
 
jerry palm on cbssports.com does a daily update on rpi.....yesterday our rpi was 42....today it is 42.....

I thought it would go down to the lowest 45. Losing a road game to a top 25 team won't lower RPI that much, or any in this case because it increases SOS.
 
I think we need to pay more attention to the Ncaa driven Rpi numbers, last season we all thought we were in a lot better shape going into the BE tourney then we really were.
 
STJ is 45 in Ncaa driven Rpi after last night's loss.

RPI and SOS wise we are in better shape this year than last. Plus our conference as a whole is stronger, 2nd in RPI.
 
I think we need to pay more attention to the Ncaa driven Rpi numbers, last season we all thought we were in a lot better shape going into the BE tourney then we really were.
The BE is much stronger this year, that will help a lot. That said we still have to win.
 
Obekpa could not guard Josh Smith, like most BE players. It was like trying to move a mountain. When JS is in the game we need JDR or Ali guarding him and help. Hoyas do a great job working the ball down to Smith. JS gets tired because he is so big so it is best to put Ali in there and move him around on the perimeter and make him work when we are on O. I think long offensive possessions with Ali running from side to side on 3 point line would be extremely effective against JS. They would be forced to pull him and he would be less effective on O.

Smith is not why we lost. In fact that's the one thing we did pretty well he shot 2-7. The reason for last night was halfcourt offense and once again 3pt defense.

Agree, that we lost this game for many reasons outside of JS, although he also went to the line a bunch. Just pointing out for next game. I was not surprised by the outcome of the game and expect us to play better next time we meet in MSG. We will shoot better and they will shoot worse.



And we cannot or will not allow a poor offensive player, Hopkins, score in double figures.
 
Quote from hoya board re our halfcourt sets (or lack thereof)

"What shocked me the most about this game was how terrible St. John's halfcourt offense was. If they can't get a shot in the first ten seconds of the shot clock, they just stand around running ineffective high pick-and-rolls until someone had to take an off-balance jumpshot with 5 seconds left.

It actually makes me wonder what Lavin does in practice, if their halfcourt sets are that poor. Their offense looked like a pickup game at Yates, with lots of turnovers due to miscommunications. It looked like those guys had never played together before."



I'll say it again. Thompson did an excellent job preparing his team defensively. Had them switch off outside and clog the middle cutting off drives, eventually forcing us to throw up last seconds jumpers.
 
We started a bottle of wine for dinner and I held myself to 1 glass. After this loss I just finished off the bottle and drank the last 2 glasses out of it.

Game sucked but at least the wine was excellent
I went to high school with a bunch of guys who went to play football at GU. I have to say, the arrogance on them regarding GU was off the charts. Had they not been paying, I would have got up and left. :) I am a sucker for a free meal. I hope I can repay the 28th!
 
I would expect Georgetown to be at the top of our conference for the foreseeable future. Regardless of how you feel about him (I am not a fan), JT3 has been extraordinarily consistent in his recruiting. Of particular note, is that there has been just one 5-Star player in the last five cycles. Also, the balance. I am jealous.

2011
3 Four Star Players
2 Three Star Players

2012
2 Four Star Players
1 Three Star Player

2013
1 Four Star Player

2014
1 Five Star Player (Copeland)
2 Four Star Players
1 Three Star Player

2015 (to date)
3 Four Star Players
 
I would expect Georgetown to be at the top of our conference for the foreseeable future. Regardless of how you feel about him (I am not a fan), JT3 has been extraordinarily consistent in his recruiting. Of particular note, is that there has been just one 5-Star player in the last five cycles. Also, the balance. I am jealous.

2011
3 Four Star Players
2 Three Star Players

2012
2 Four Star Players
1 Three Star Player

2013
1 Four Star Player

2014
1 Five Star Player (Copeland)
2 Four Star Players
1 Three Star Player

2015 (to date)
3 Four Star Players

YES IS IS GETTING BETTER TALENT He has better facilities SCHOOL HAS A BETTER ACADEMIC STANDING His recuriting has been steady
The program is doing well and it shows on the court
 
2011
3 Four Star Players STJ 5 4 star
2 Three Star Players STJ 1 3 star + Phil Greene and Gift

2012
2 Four Star Players STJ 2 4 star
1 Three Star Player STJ 1 Juco AA + Felix

2013
1 Four Star Player STJ 1 Four Star

2014
1 Five Star Player (Copeland)
2 Four Star Players
1 Three Star Player STJ 1 3 star

2015 (to date)
3 Four Star Players STJ 1 Four star, 1 3 star and balance TBA


Just put in the STJ classes along side the GTown classes. So essentially by consistent you mean he didn't poop the bed in 2014? Other than that please feel free to talk about the vast differences in the recruiting classes.
 
2011
3 Four Star Players STJ 5 4 star
2 Three Star Players STJ 1 3 star + Phil Greene and Gift

2012
2 Four Star Players STJ 2 4 star
1 Three Star Player STJ 1 Juco AA + Felix

2013
1 Four Star Player STJ 1 Four Star

2014
1 Five Star Player (Copeland)
2 Four Star Players
1 Three Star Player STJ 1 3 star

2015 (to date)
3 Four Star Players STJ 1 Four star, 1 3 star and balance TBA


Just put in the STJ classes along side the GTown classes. So essentially by consistent you mean he didn't poop the bed in 2014? Other than that please feel free to talk about the vast differences in the recruiting classes.

Just imo his 3&4 star have played better than their ratings That could be because their staff was a better judge of talent or some will say they were coached up Just that his teams have produce better
 
JT3 is on the same level as Lavin. Gets top recruits, can't help them in anyway. Unless you are 7 foot of course. Except JT3 gets into the tourny, then gets owned
 
JT3 is on the same level as Lavin. Gets top recruits, can't help them in anyway. Unless you are 7 foot of course. Except JT3 gets into the tourny, then gets owned

Since they made the Final 4 in 2007, they are probably the most disappointing post season team in college basketball.

they have lost to a 15 seed and a 10 seed when they were seeded 2
they have lost to a 14 seed and an 11 seed as a 3 seed
they have lost to an 11 seed as a 6 seed

I think its fair to bring up is JT3 immune since he made a Final 4, or will he start to feel the heat because of his overwhelming failures in the postseason?
 
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