Fire Lavin!

[1and1sju]

Listen carefully to paultz's words, "at best".

And again, all of this is assuming we have that All BE backcourt back. Which is far from guaranteed.
And even if everything were to break right, Steve Lavin would still be the coach. That alone places an artificial cap on the amount of success the team could have.

A few weeks ago a poster said it was annoying to hear people claim the sky is falling ... well guess what? That's reality. And small signings aren't near enough to offset the losses.

 

[gman]

A Delarosa < Obekpa
J Delarosa < Sanchez
Thomas < Sampson

Henderson may be better than Marco and Hooper, but even that's not certain.

Marillac's point about role players contributing more than stars can be true on occasion. But we're losing 3 sizeable talents - and we weren't that great this season! We aren't talented enough to just fill in a couple of role players, we needed to add or retain big pieces.
And all this assuming no one else leaves.

The only thing I would say is that the staff had no clue how to use Sampson or Sanchez. The new players seem to be straight forward players that the staff can't screw up using in aflame plan. But agree that they are a downgrade in talent.

 

[SI1996]

In response to a Fire Lavin thread, what about Kevin Boyle? College coach?

 

[redken]

In response to Fire Lavin thread, can we put this thing to rest? Every possible point has been made; time to move on.

 

[SJUalum98]

If we land de la rosa, Henderson, and Thomas, we have a shot to be decent next year, so let's see how it plays out...

Disagree.

The staff didn't know how to utilize their most diverse player in Sanchez.

Also didn't know how to utilize players for spot duty in Hooper.

What makes you think something will change all of a sudden adding role players with the Delarosa bros and Thomas?

Outside shooting is taking a massive hit. And we have seen in the Lavin era we don't have any post offense.

You're setting yourself up for expectations that have no foundation.

What expectations? I said we have a shot to be decent. Which isn't far fetched if we bring the players we are clots to getting. As for a foundation, we have the best backcourt in the conference, along with two people that could hit the three in Henderson and Greene. If we could just put a group together of rebounders (Thomas, ADR, Jones, JDR) we could possibly be alright next year. Chill out. I didn't say we'd win 25 games and make it to the tournament. I said we could possibly be decent. We could possibly win 18 games next year, the big east is very weak.

And our outside shooting took a hit with hooper, obekpa, and Sampson leaving? Henderson can shoot really well, and unlike hooper he can actually run the floor.

Since when is Henderson coming here? He has a visit.

And nothing shows that he can play quality backup minutes as a freshman. That's a major reach for a kid who has never set foot on a D1 floor.

Yes, outside shooting is taking a hit. Like him or not, Jakarr had a decent midrange game. None of the forwards on the team including Felix can't be counted on outside of 12 feet.

This isn't plug & play. If ADR or his brother is the starting Center on opening night, we are in for some funky looking basketball next year.

 

[shamsman2]

A Delarosa < Obekpa
J Delarosa < Sanchez
Thomas < Sampson

Henderson may be better than Marco and Hooper, but even that's not certain.

Marillac's point about role players contributing more than stars can be true on occasion. But we're losing 3 sizeable talents - and we weren't that great this season! We aren't talented enough to just fill in a couple of role players, we needed to add or retain big pieces.
And all this assuming no one else leaves.

how would you have used Sampson?

The only thing I would say is that the staff had no clue how to use Sampson or Sanchez. The new players seem to be straight forward players that the staff can't screw up using in aflame plan. But agree that they are a downgrade in talent.

 

[shamsman2]

A Delarosa < Obekpa
J Delarosa < Sanchez
Thomas < Sampson

Henderson may be better than Marco and Hooper, but even that's not certain.

Marillac's point about role players contributing more than stars can be true on occasion. But we're losing 3 sizeable talents - and we weren't that great this season! We aren't talented enough to just fill in a couple of role players, we needed to add or retain big pieces.
And all this assuming no one else leaves.

how would you have used Sampson?

The only thing I would say is that the staff had no clue how to use Sampson or Sanchez. The new players seem to be straight forward players that the staff can't screw up using in aflame plan. But agree that they are a downgrade in talent.

How would you have suggested to Lavin to better use Sampson?

 

[gman]

A Delarosa < Obekpa
J Delarosa < Sanchez
Thomas < Sampson

Henderson may be better than Marco and Hooper, but even that's not certain.

Marillac's point about role players contributing more than stars can be true on occasion. But we're losing 3 sizeable talents - and we weren't that great this season! We aren't talented enough to just fill in a couple of role players, we needed to add or retain big pieces.
And all this assuming no one else leaves.

how would you have used Sampson?

The only thing I would say is that the staff had no clue how to use Sampson or Sanchez. The new players seem to be straight forward players that the staff can't screw up using in aflame plan. But agree that they are a downgrade in talent.

How would you have suggested to Lavin to better use Sampson?

After just watching the uconn game he could have been very similar to Daniels. Dunlap never would have let him be just a jump shooter. I just felt like he never developed.

 

[Class of 72]

A Delarosa < Obekpa
J Delarosa < Sanchez
Thomas < Sampson

Henderson may be better than Marco and Hooper, but even that's not certain.

Marillac's point about role players contributing more than stars can be true on occasion. But we're losing 3 sizeable talents - and we weren't that great this season! We aren't talented enough to just fill in a couple of role players, we needed to add or retain big pieces.
And all this assuming no one else leaves.

The only thing I would say is that the staff had no clue how to use Sampson or Sanchez. The new players seem to be straight forward players that the staff can't screw up using in aflame plan. But agree that they are a downgrade in talent.

From any rankings or natural talent level both Sampson and Sanchez were players that should have been major impact players this past year and they were not by any stretch of the imagination. We now know that Sampson refused to accept the role assigned to him in many games and improvised solo. It was so bad in January that he had to be benched. Sanchez just showed flashes of the player he could have been but preferred to drift on the perimeter to the detriment of the offense. He eventually lost his starting job to a 6'2 guard named Phil Greene IV. You have to be seriously detrimental to the offense to lose your job to Phil Greene. Had both Jakarr and Primo been in with the game plan this team would have been dancing. Both were disappointments. It was more than coaching that hurt this season.
My mantra since last Spring was recruit, recruit, recruit and our efforts were half-hearted at best for the 2014 class and had we secured just a couple of 4* players to keep the talent coming the losses of Sampson and Obekpa would have been neglible.

 

[SJUalum98]

A Delarosa < Obekpa
J Delarosa < Sanchez
Thomas < Sampson

Henderson may be better than Marco and Hooper, but even that's not certain.

Marillac's point about role players contributing more than stars can be true on occasion. But we're losing 3 sizeable talents - and we weren't that great this season! We aren't talented enough to just fill in a couple of role players, we needed to add or retain big pieces.
And all this assuming no one else leaves.

The only thing I would say is that the staff had no clue how to use Sampson or Sanchez. The new players seem to be straight forward players that the staff can't screw up using in aflame plan. But agree that they are a downgrade in talent.

From any rankings or natural talent level both Sampson and Sanchez were players that should have been major impact players this past year and they were not by any stretch of the imagination. We now know that Sampson refused to accept the role assigned to him in many games and improvised solo. It was so bad in January that he had to be benched. Sanchez just showed flashes of the player he could have been but preferred to drift on the perimeter to the detriment of the offense. He eventually lost his starting job to a 6'2 guard named Phil Greene IV. You have to be seriously detrimental to the offense to lose your job to Phil Greene. Had both Jakarr and Primo been in with the game plan this team would have been dancing. Both were disappointments. It was more than coaching that hurt this season.
My mantra since last Spring was recruit, recruit, recruit and our efforts were half-hearted at best for the 2014 class and had we secured just a couple of 4* players to keep the talent coming the losses of Sampson and Obekpa would have been neglible.

What is this gameplan you speak of?

If 6'9 Sanchez was floating behind the 3 point line, it was because the staff wanted him there. If they didn't, he would've been in the post.

Screen, roll, hope for a bailout shot.

That's the only gameplan I witnessed. I'm not trying to be funny or sarcastic either.

 

[redken]

A Delarosa < Obekpa
J Delarosa < Sanchez
Thomas < Sampson

Henderson may be better than Marco and Hooper, but even that's not certain.

Marillac's point about role players contributing more than stars can be true on occasion. But we're losing 3 sizeable talents - and we weren't that great this season! We aren't talented enough to just fill in a couple of role players, we needed to add or retain big pieces.
And all this assuming no one else leaves.

how would you have used Sampson?

The only thing I would say is that the staff had no clue how to use Sampson or Sanchez. The new players seem to be straight forward players that the staff can't screw up using in aflame plan. But agree that they are a downgrade in talent.

How would you have suggested to Lavin to better use Sampson?

After just watching the uconn game he could have been very similar to Daniels. Dunlap never would have let him be just a jump shooter. I just felt like he never developed.

By his own admission, Jakarr said he spent most of the season trying to develop his NBA game. i.e., showing he had a mid-range jumper. Don't think Dunlap or anyone else would have changed that mindset.

 

[Mike]

If we land de la rosa, Henderson, and Thomas, we have a shot to be decent next year, so let's see how it plays out...

Disagree.
De la rosa will be a non factor next season. Henderson will be buried deep on the guard depth chart. Thomas would get pt out of sheer lack of depth up front.

To say he will be a non factor next year means he won't be seeing any playing time IMO. Since we know that won't happen he will help out throughout the season because we would need him. You have no clue what will happen next year if he is here. People thought Sanchez was all everything, so let's give him a chance to see what happens before we start labeling. We know that doesn't work well here.

At best Adonis could give us Gift like minutes. Give him time and he will be a functional post man. It is unfair to throw him to the lions in year one. Again, I am not an expert, but have seen him in person many times.

I don't think anyone is expecting to make a huge impact, but to say he will be a non factor I don't believe. Whether we like it or not he will be thrown out there cause what else do we have???

 

[L J S A]

I can with all honesty say that Lavin is better at coaching than Rex Chapman is at color commentary.

 

[Class of 72]

A Delarosa < Obekpa
J Delarosa < Sanchez
Thomas < Sampson

Henderson may be better than Marco and Hooper, but even that's not certain.

Marillac's point about role players contributing more than stars can be true on occasion. But we're losing 3 sizeable talents - and we weren't that great this season! We aren't talented enough to just fill in a couple of role players, we needed to add or retain big pieces.
And all this assuming no one else leaves.

The only thing I would say is that the staff had no clue how to use Sampson or Sanchez. The new players seem to be straight forward players that the staff can't screw up using in aflame plan. But agree that they are a downgrade in talent.

From any rankings or natural talent level both Sampson and Sanchez were players that should have been major impact players this past year and they were not by any stretch of the imagination. We now know that Sampson refused to accept the role assigned to him in many games and improvised solo. It was so bad in January that he had to be benched. Sanchez just showed flashes of the player he could have been but preferred to drift on the perimeter to the detriment of the offense. He eventually lost his starting job to a 6'2 guard named Phil Greene IV. You have to be seriously detrimental to the offense to lose your job to Phil Greene. Had both Jakarr and Primo been in with the game plan this team would have been dancing. Both were disappointments. It was more than coaching that hurt this season.
My mantra since last Spring was recruit, recruit, recruit and our efforts were half-hearted at best for the 2014 class and had we secured just a couple of 4* players to keep the talent coming the losses of Sampson and Obekpa would have been neglible.

What is this gameplan you speak of?

If 6'9 Sanchez was floating behind the 3 point line, it was because the staff wanted him there. If they didn't, he would've been in the post.

Screen, roll, hope for a bailout shot.

That's the only gameplan I witnessed. I'm not trying to be funny or sarcastic either.

You do not have to take my word for it but Jakarr pretty much admitted he strayed from whatever plays were called by the bench on many occasions to the point it became a running joke here on redmen. Once he touched the ball he was not giving it up.
As for Primo, he just never understood his role on offense and I know the staff basically gave up and he lost his starting job. He wanted to play like a 6'2 player and he was replaced by a guard. That was a clear message in my view. Obekpa had similar deficiencies on defense where he was found defending a guard 20 feet from the rim. Numerous mismatches resulted and it hurt the team in rebounds.

 

[1and1sju]

A Delarosa < Obekpa
J Delarosa < Sanchez
Thomas < Sampson

Henderson may be better than Marco and Hooper, but even that's not certain.

Marillac's point about role players contributing more than stars can be true on occasion. But we're losing 3 sizeable talents - and we weren't that great this season! We aren't talented enough to just fill in a couple of role players, we needed to add or retain big pieces.
And all this assuming no one else leaves.

The only thing I would say is that the staff had no clue how to use Sampson or Sanchez. The new players seem to be straight forward players that the staff can't screw up using in aflame plan. But agree that they are a downgrade in talent.

From any rankings or natural talent level both Sampson and Sanchez were players that should have been major impact players this past year and they were not by any stretch of the imagination. We now know that Sampson refused to accept the role assigned to him in many games and improvised solo. It was so bad in January that he had to be benched. Sanchez just showed flashes of the player he could have been but preferred to drift on the perimeter to the detriment of the offense. He eventually lost his starting job to a 6'2 guard named Phil Greene IV. You have to be seriously detrimental to the offense to lose your job to Phil Greene. Had both Jakarr and Primo been in with the game plan this team would have been dancing. Both were disappointments. It was more than coaching that hurt this season.
My mantra since last Spring was recruit, recruit, recruit and our efforts were half-hearted at best for the 2014 class and had we secured just a couple of 4* players to keep the talent coming the losses of Sampson and Obekpa would have been neglible.

What is this gameplan you speak of?

If 6'9 Sanchez was floating behind the 3 point line, it was because the staff wanted him there. If they didn't, he would've been in the post.

Screen, roll, hope for a bailout shot.

That's the only gameplan I witnessed. I'm not trying to be funny or sarcastic either.

You do not have to take my word for it but Jakarr pretty much admitted he strayed from whatever plays were called by the bench on many occasions to the point it became a running joke here on redmen. Once he touched the ball he was not giving it up.
As for Primo, he just never understood his role on offense and I know the staff basically gave up and he lost his starting job. He wanted to play like a 6'2 player and he was replaced by a guard. That was a clear message in my view. Obekpa had similar deficiencies on defense where he was found defending a guard 20 feet from the rim. Numerous mismatches resulted and it hurt the team in rebounds.

All of what you are saying may be true '72. In fact I think you're absolutely right about Jakarr and Sanchez especially. But just because we bring in a lower prospect or a JUCO or a transfer, that doesn't mean that guy won't have defensive lapses or float to the perimeter on offense.
Yes, sometimes that's showboating for the NBA, but it's also just bad basketball habits sometimes. Sean Evans had some of those same issues, and he wasn't showcasing himself lol, he just didn't know his role and had bad habits.

 

[JohnnyFan]

If we land de la rosa, Henderson, and Thomas, we have a shot to be decent next year, so let's see how it plays out...

Disagree.
De la rosa will be a non factor next season. Henderson will be buried deep on the guard depth chart. Thomas would get pt out of sheer lack of depth up front.

To say he will be a non factor next year means he won't be seeing any playing time IMO. Since we know that won't happen he will help out throughout the season because we would need him. You have no clue what will happen next year if he is here. People thought Sanchez was all everything, so let's give him a chance to see what happens before we start labeling. We know that doesn't work well here.

At best Adonis could give us Gift like minutes. Give him time and he will be a functional post man. It is unfair to throw him to the lions in year one. Again, I am not an expert, but have seen him in person many times.

I don't think anyone is expecting to make a huge impact, but to say he will be a non factor I don't believe. Whether we like it or not he will be thrown out there cause what else do we have???

Which is why next year will be a debacle.

.....not sure ADR can run the length of the floor before the shot clock expires.

 

[22057]

There are a lot of SJU supporters who pay a lot of money through donations, RedWhite and going to every game
during the season. They deserve a great product. Need better communication thru Steve Lavin, not Sports Info.
Every bb program has adversity, team chemistry issues, bad assistant coaches, poor facilities, family issues. How come
we don't hear about them in the newspapers ? Only at SJU.

 

[GardenCity62]

Everything you say about the Red White members is true. The problem is if the number of members multiplied by ten tomorrow their amount of support would still be a pittance compared to the schools the fans want SJU to compete against.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I would just like to thank "Coach" Lavin for the time he spent preparing for, and appearing on, television during the final four tourney. I feel, given the current needs of our program, this was the best use of his time.

Sarcastically Yours.........

 

[dee]

I would just like to thank "Coach" Lavin for the time he spent preparing for, and appearing on, television during the final four tourney. I feel, given the current needs of our program, this was the best use of his time.

Sarcastically Yours.........

Actually it may have been the best use of his time as recruits are watching tv and he got the exposure