Fire Lavin!
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My thoughts exactly.
ZanMan
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We didn't? When were the brackets announced?!
That being said, this season I give them a grade of a "C". Where I come from that's passing, but hardly a success.
I can't say Lavin has done a great job this year. But, I don't think he should be fired, neither.
We aren't Duke, Kentucky, Kansas or even UCLA (ouch). Some of you act like we are. We aren't firing a coach with a winning record. It took us forever to fire a coach with a losing record!!!
I think some of you assume that those of us who want Lavin to go are all angry and impatient, and off our rockers.
But I think there are some rationale reasons for it.
For one, Bama is spot on, you have to make a decision soon. He has a contract coming up, and you also don't want to go too far down this road and find out it's not where you want to be.
You can't wait to evaluate him after year six. And I'll be the first to admit, I don't think winning 20 games is an abject failure. This is better than what we saw from 2003-2010.
But at some point you have to ask if this is what you want? Is this the guy you want running the show?
And truthfully I think we can do better. And, no, I don't expect to compete with the Kansas Duke and UCLAs. But I think we can be better than this, on a consistent basis.
This isn't a crucification. I just think they should hire a different basketball coach, because I think the program will likely wait a year or two - and then come to that same conclusion.
SO for a change, let's be proactive.
But I think there are some rationale reasons for it.
For one, Bama is spot on, you have to make a decision soon. He has a contract coming up, and you also don't want to go too far down this road and find out it's not where you want to be.
You can't wait to evaluate him after year six. And I'll be the first to admit, I don't think winning 20 games is an abject failure. This is better than what we saw from 2003-2010.
But at some point you have to ask if this is what you want? Is this the guy you want running the show?
And truthfully I think we can do better. And, no, I don't expect to compete with the Kansas Duke and UCLAs. But I think we can be better than this, on a consistent basis.
This isn't a crucification. I just think they should hire a different basketball coach, because I think the program will likely wait a year or two - and then come to that same conclusion.
SO for a change, let's be proactive.
ZanMan
Well-known member
My point is what big time coach is itching to come here? Should we go the route of the young and upcoming assistant again?
We had another winning record. To our liking? No. But we aren't any of these big time programs. We aren't firing a coach after a 20 win season and an above .500 conference record.
Coach Lavin is liked and respected by many. He is a good recruiter. He has improved this program. He has just won several more games than he lost.
In other words, accept him here for several more years.
westchesterjoe
Active member
Agree, I don't think Steve can get us to the next level, which is contending for a BE championship and making the NCAA'S. And, with his own recruited players, he's been a big disappointment. THERE ARE NO EXCUSES .. SHOULD HE BE FIRED? Much rather have him resign, with $$$, saying he realized he hasn't got it done in the time usually allocated for Coaches to put out a Wining Program.. He's had more than enough time and it hasn't happened.
What we want and expect, and what the administration is willing to accept are likely 2 different things. What most of us seem to want is a team that makes the NCAA tourney most years and makes an occasional run. Maybe the administration is content with making the NIT most years. If that's the case, they might as well lock Lavin up to a long term contract right now.
westchesterjoe
Active member
And some are just dumb and continuous bores..Homers of incredible hubris. Try it on, it fits.
He is a good recruiter, it's true. And there is no can't miss hires out there.
But I don't think you need a big name. I just think you need someone who you think has the tools to be good at the job.
Lavin hasn't failed miserably, but I don't think things are going to get any better. It's hard to imagine him having a team with more talent/experience than he had this season. And this could very quickly turn into a situation where we are saying "but his second big recruiting class are just freshmen (Diallo, Briscoe etc), and we need to see what he can do with them". And then before you know it he'll have been here 8 years and well have two first round losses to show for it.
And fwiw, I don't think his good reputation is set in stone. Eventually players and the media are going to start to feel like they're always being sold something.
And MJ, really? We can disagree, but I don't think wanting a different head coach makes me miserable (or a schmuck).
I never said who or you were a miserable schmuck, Desco. Not gonna call out people (other than the moron who spoke on it).
If you want a new head coach, then that's your prerogative. Like I stated earlier, if folks do not like Lavin, then that's all fine and dandy. I have no problem with folks not liking or have displeasure towards the coach. My point was for folks to not make up things or exaggerate a point.
westchesterjoe
Active member
YOU USE THE WORD MORON SO MUCH YOU CERTAINLY QUALIFY AS ONE. PUTZ!
Desco, I respectfully disagree but I do appreciate that you present a rational argument rather than just going off after a bad loss.
Like everyone on this site, I'm disappointed tonight. And I have no option but to concede that our staff fell short this year and that we don't have the right mix of recruiting/tactical strength to own a spot among the elite programs right now. The numbers don't lie.
That said, I like our program better today than I did a few years ago. I'll give Norm credit for starting the clean-up and turnaround. But I also think Lavin deserves credit for upgrading our recruiting and maintaining a sense of discipline over the program that was gone during the Jarvis years.
Our talent is better. Lavin's handling of Harrison last season showed an ability to protect the integrity of the school/program, manage a tough personnel issue and, significantly, help put a young student-athlete on a better path. Those are sometimes competing interests, but he did a good job of it and he's continued to manage well through a number of challenges this year.
So today sucked. Tonight sucks. This off-season is going to suck. But even though we are not making the giant leaps I would like, I still think we're making incremental progress. For now, I'll accept that.