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[monte]

Other than that he's Italian is there a reason that the staff should work out a special plan so that Missini can contribute? He does one thing well. Lots of other players do two and even three things well. Why don't we get one of those and skip the special plan stuff.

You gloss over the Italian part like it is not important.

On the distaff side I'm a Tamburrino out of a Gragnano mare so I understand the importance of that and consequently have applied myself to making a wonderful gravy. Or as you Philistines call it, sauce. However, some things are more important than blood.

Dont think anyone questions your ability to stir the pot

 

[Knockout-Ned]

Back to Mussini. I think one of the reasons we, as an avid fan base, latch onto guys like Mussini and others is the fact that it had been so long since we had anyone who could knock down 3s. So, when recruits come along that show any signs that they may fill the void we "adopt" them and hope beyond hope that they live up to the potential.

That said, seems like a good kid and has definitely had his moments - good and bad.

I agree that he seems like a good kid and I wish him no harm and think he should get the same opportunity that similar player - eg Heath Orvis and Liam Beasty - got. But I think that the reason that we adopt him is that we identify with him: like most of us he's slow, white and not very good at basketball.

Or we adopted him because he played his butt off last year, out of position, didn't whine or bitch, just played hard as he could for us? Bringing up his name with Orvis and Beasty is wrong.

 

[boo haarvey]

Back to Mussini. I think one of the reasons we, as an avid fan base, latch onto guys like Mussini and others is the fact that it had been so long since we had anyone who could knock down 3s. So, when recruits come along that show any signs that they may fill the void we "adopt" them and hope beyond hope that they live up to the potential.

That said, seems like a good kid and has definitely had his moments - good and bad.

I agree that he seems like a good kid and I wish him no harm and think he should get the same opportunity that similar player - eg Heath Orvis and Liam Beasty - got. But I think that the reason that we adopt him is that we identify with him: like most of us he's slow, white and not very good at basketball.

Or we adopted him because he played his butt off last year, out of position, didn't whine or bitch, just played hard as he could for us? Bringing up his name with Orvis and Beasty is wrong.

I don't get the hate fest. Kid is shooting over 40 percent from three and is by all accounts a greate teammate and representative of the university. Nothing wrong with having a specialist. If he's forced to do too much, that's a reflection of the state of the program.

I dont remember Beasty, but Mussini is much better that Fred Lyson, Sergio Luyk, Heath Orvis, Max Hooper, Marc-Antoine Bourgault or any of those other stiffs we've recruited who came in with the reputation of being a "pure shooter."

 

[Knockout-Ned]

Back to Mussini. I think one of the reasons we, as an avid fan base, latch onto guys like Mussini and others is the fact that it had been so long since we had anyone who could knock down 3s. So, when recruits come along that show any signs that they may fill the void we "adopt" them and hope beyond hope that they live up to the potential.

That said, seems like a good kid and has definitely had his moments - good and bad.

I agree that he seems like a good kid and I wish him no harm and think he should get the same opportunity that similar player - eg Heath Orvis and Liam Beasty - got. But I think that the reason that we adopt him is that we identify with him: like most of us he's slow, white and not very good at basketball.

Or we adopted him because he played his butt off last year, out of position, didn't whine or bitch, just played hard as he could for us? Bringing up his name with Orvis and Beasty is wrong.

I don't get the hate fest. Kid is shooting over 40 percent from three and is by all accounts a greate teammate and representative of the university. Nothing wrong with having a specialist. If he's forced to do too much, that's a reflection of the state of the program.

I dont remember Beasty, but Mussini is much better that Fred Lyson, Sergio Luyk, Heath Orvis, Max Hooper, Marc-Antoine Bourgault or any of those other stiffs we've recruited who came in with the reputation of being a "pure shooter."

Such a silly conversation. He is ~10 games into his sophomore year. And he averaged 10 ppg as a freshman. In what world does anyone do that and crap on the player? To paraphrase: "So, my name is Fred and I've been recruited to play for St John's as a 2 guard. I hope to play about 15 minutes a game and help out the team the best I can. I look forward to learning US basketball." Translation: Crap happens, you are going to run the point for us in one of the best college conferences. And you have no backup. You will be overwhelmed, but do your best. Suck it up, buttercup,

And year two he gets crapped on? Really??

 

[RedStormRising]

Back to Mussini. I think one of the reasons we, as an avid fan base, latch onto guys like Mussini and others is the fact that it had been so long since we had anyone who could knock down 3s. So, when recruits come along that show any signs that they may fill the void we "adopt" them and hope beyond hope that they live up to the potential.

That said, seems like a good kid and has definitely had his moments - good and bad.

I agree that he seems like a good kid and I wish him no harm and think he should get the same opportunity that similar player - eg Heath Orvis and Liam Beasty - got. But I think that the reason that we adopt him is that we identify with him: like most of us he's slow, white and not very good at basketball.

Or we adopted him because he played his butt off last year, out of position, didn't whine or bitch, just played hard as he could for us? Bringing up his name with Orvis and Beasty is wrong.

I don't get the hate fest. Kid is shooting over 40 percent from three and is by all accounts a greate teammate and representative of the university. Nothing wrong with having a specialist. If he's forced to do too much, that's a reflection of the state of the program.

I dont remember Beasty, but Mussini is much better that Fred Lyson, Sergio Luyk, Heath Orvis, Max Hooper, Marc-Antoine Bourgault or any of those other stiffs we've recruited who came in with the reputation of being a "pure shooter."

Such a silly conversation. He is ~10 games into his sophomore year. And he averaged 10 ppg as a freshman. In what world does anyone do that and crap on the player? To paraphrase: "So, my name is Fred and I've been recruited to play for St John's as a 2 guard. I hope to play about 15 minutes a game and help out the team the best I can. I look forward to learning US basketball." Translation: Crap happens, you are going to run the point for us in one of the best college conferences. And you have no backup. You will be overwhelmed, but do your best. Suck it up, buttercup,

And year two he gets crapped on? Really??

We should never crap on the players, that's why we have coaches. Also Rico is a fine player, who is making better decisions.

 

[usguard]

Back to Mussini. I think one of the reasons we, as an avid fan base, latch onto guys like Mussini and others is the fact that it had been so long since we had anyone who could knock down 3s. So, when recruits come along that show any signs that they may fill the void we "adopt" them and hope beyond hope that they live up to the potential.

That said, seems like a good kid and has definitely had his moments - good and bad.

I agree that he seems like a good kid and I wish him no harm and think he should get the same opportunity that similar player - eg Heath Orvis and Liam Beasty - got. But I think that the reason that we adopt him is that we identify with him: like most of us he's slow, white and not very good at basketball.

Or we adopted him because he played his butt off last year, out of position, didn't whine or bitch, just played hard as he could for us? Bringing up his name with Orvis and Beasty is wrong.

I don't get the hate fest. Kid is shooting over 40 percent from three and is by all accounts a greate teammate and representative of the university. Nothing wrong with having a specialist. If he's forced to do too much, that's a reflection of the state of the program.

I dont remember Beasty, but Mussini is much better that Fred Lyson, Sergio Luyk, Heath Orvis, Max Hooper, Marc-Antoine Bourgault or any of those other stiffs we've recruited who came in with the reputation of being a "pure shooter."

Such a silly conversation. He is ~10 games into his sophomore year. And he averaged 10 ppg as a freshman. In what world does anyone do that and crap on the player? To paraphrase: "So, my name is Fred and I've been recruited to play for St John's as a 2 guard. I hope to play about 15 minutes a game and help out the team the best I can. I look forward to learning US basketball." Translation: Crap happens, you are going to run the point for us in one of the best college conferences. And you have no backup. You will be overwhelmed, but do your best. Suck it up, buttercup,

And year two he gets crapped on? Really??

We should never crap on the players, that's why we have coaches. Also Rico is a fine player, who is making better decisions.

Mussini has much more to offer this team.He is going to be a really good player not that he is not now, I mean he has aspirations of the next level and there is something in that says in 3 yrs he may just accomplish his dream.He can always play pro in Italy
the experience he has recd in the us USA he will have a nice life Wish him the best and get heathly

 

[fun]

Or we adopted him because he played his butt off last year, out of position, didn't whine or bitch, just played hard as he could for us?

You can say the same thing about a lot of players. Ahmed plays his butt off and doesn't whine but he's a "bust" who "should be benched." Nobody's suggesting the staff come up with special plans for him or anyone else. There are posters here who trashed D'Angelo Harrison for three years, who played harder than him? There's something special about the love for Missini and it's not his jump shot.

]Bringing up his name with Orvis and Beasty is wrong.

Heath Orvis was a 40 percent 3 point shooter. And both he and Beasty played their butts off and didn't whine or bitch and just played as hard as they could for us. Why you hating?

 

[boo haarvey]

Notwithstanding my obvious bias, let me just go on record as saying that if Mussini sticks around, IMO there's a productive roll on this team for him over the next couple of years. Yes he'll always have challenges defensively, so the staff will have to figure out how to use him accordingly, but the kid is only half way in to his sophomore year and will continue to grow as a player. He's got court smarts and obviously can shoot, plus he's a spirited and unselfish kid who by all accounts is a good teammate and representative of the school. Plenty of high D1 teams have kids with similar skills sets and limitations, and figure out how to find useful rolls for them. Lets not push him out the door so quickly.

It may be moot, because it appears that staff is recruiting over him. With Simon, LoVett or USF kid, Ellison and Ponds, he would be fifth wheel, no? Still want that dinner though.

Yeah, but we may have to go Mexican. lol. Assuming no one leaves, we have same 4 guards + Simon. USF kid likely isn't coming unless Lovett or Ponds(God forbid!) leaves. Therefore same 5 man back court, same make-up with or without USF kid. Ellison and/or Simon can swing some of the time. Plenty of PT for all of them IMO.

Simon is a starter imo. Not a 5th wheel.
Somebody needs to lose minutes.

What are you basing that statement on?

 

[bamafan]

Or we adopted him because he played his butt off last year, out of position, didn't whine or bitch, just played hard as he could for us?

You can say the same thing about a lot of players. Ahmed plays his butt off and doesn't whine but he's a "bust" who "should be benched." Nobody's suggesting the staff come up with special plans for him or anyone else. There are posters here who trashed D'Angelo Harrison for three years, who played harder than him? There's something special about the love for Missini and it's not his jump shot.

]Bringing up his name with Orvis and Beasty is wrong.

Heath Orvis was a 40 percent 3 point shooter. And both he and Beasty played their butts off and didn't whine or bitch and just played as hard as they could for us. Why you hating?

Neither of those players came anywhere near the production of Mussini. Come on Fun you're better than that. Oh, wait a minute no you're not. Your BEB report on the Butler game was lackluster at best. Maybe you should be benched.

 

[shecky82]

Or we adopted him because he played his butt off last year, out of position, didn't whine or bitch, just played hard as he could for us?

You can say the same thing about a lot of players. Ahmed plays his butt off and doesn't whine but he's a "bust" who "should be benched." Nobody's suggesting the staff come up with special plans for him or anyone else. There are posters here who trashed D'Angelo Harrison for three years, who played harder than him? There's something special about the love for Missini and it's not his jump shot.

]Bringing up his name with Orvis and Beasty is wrong.

Heath Orvis was a 40 percent 3 point shooter. And both he and Beasty played their butts off and didn't whine or bitch and just played as hard as they could for us. Why you hating?

Orvis made 7 3pointers in his career, Mussini made 56 last year,

 

[redfazed]

Mussini chose us when we were in the complete toilet. Kid could of went somewhere else (most kids would off) . I don't remember him dogging it last year when we getting our doors blown off. He continued to compete.

Sure he has his limitations. But he can shoot, can't argue that. But he seems to like St. John's and represents us well.

It's also true that Yakwe chose us when we were in the complete toilet--and he was a top 100 recruit, who had offers from the likes of Kansas, Louisville, Syracuse.

In any event, there is a difference between questioning a player's ability/role in the team and questioning his value as a person. The former I would assume is fair game on these boards (the latter is not) but maybe some "safe spaces" should be set up for those who find such comments to be indelicate.

 

[thetux1]

Comparing Mussini to Heath Orvis should be grounds for lifetime banishment and dinner with the Seton Hall women's coach

 

[fun]

Orvis made 7 3pointers in his career, Mussini made 56 last year,

Yeah and he took 184 for a whopping 30 percent shooting percentage. That's slightly better than Ricky Torresini and slightly worse than Avery Pattersoniini.

 

[fun]

Comparing Mussini to Heath Orvis should be grounds for lifetime banishment and dinner with the Seton Hall women's coach

I'll have the veal.

 

[cappy105]

its like comparing Fun's posts to James Patterson's novels

 

[AlBovino]

Hey Funscumbagski..............Why don't you keep your unfunny racist remarks to yourself.

 

[bamafan]

Orvis made 7 3pointers in his career, Mussini made 56 last year,

Yeah and he took 184 for a whopping 30 percent shooting percentage. That's slightly better than Ricky Torresini and slightly worse than Avery Pattersoniini.

But I thought you admitted he can do one thing well which is shoot. Oh well, there you go again....totally relying on stats. BTW Torresini and Pattersoninni are my second and third favorite St. John's players of all-time.

 

[fun]

Mussini chose us when we were in the complete toilet. Kid could of went somewhere else (most kids would off) . I don't remember him dogging it last year when we getting our doors blown off. He continued to compete.

Sure he has his limitations. But he can shoot, can't argue that. But he seems to like St. John's and represents us well.

It's also true that Yakwe chose us when we were in the complete toilet--and he was a top 100 recruit, who had offers from the likes of Kansas, Louisville, Syracuse.

In any event, there is a difference between questioning a player's ability/role in the team and questioning his value as a person. The former I would assume is fair game on these boards (the latter is not) but maybe some "safe spaces" should be set up for those who find such comments to be indelicate.

Lots of players chose us when we were in the toilet: we've been in the toilet almost the entire century. I don't remember too many how dare you criticize Gene Lawrence posts. Or how dare you compare Phil Wait to Sean Muto. Or I want Ricky Torres to succeed because I'm latino. I don't recall anyone chanting Vive Le Bourgault. The emotional investment in a marginally talented player like Missini is bizarre.

 

[shecky82]

Orvis made 7 3pointers in his career, Mussini made 56 last year,

Yeah and he took 184 for a whopping 30 percent shooting percentage. That's slightly better than Ricky Torresini and slightly worse than Avery Pattersoniini.

This is a stupid way to spend time..but the point is that Orvis's #'s r not statistically significant...and Mussini is a great kid.

 

[RedStormNC]

No doubt Mussini was asked to do more last year than he was capable of, and did it unselfishly.

Still, it's fair to say that Mussini might be getting coddled a bit because a portion of the fan base identifies with him due to his small size, nationality, skin tone or humble personality or some combination of those or related.