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I guess Dinkins is playing golf so here is the latest:

Sheed drives and is fouled, makes one. A FT from Manresa and its 24-17. #SJUBB trails with 53.3 to go in the first.

BEAUTIFUL EXECUTION. Branch to Jordan to Karr for the dunk. A Manresa bucket and FT makes it 27-19, end of 1Q. #SJUBB

JaKarr has six, Dee has five as the 2Q begins. A 29-19 lead for Manresa.with 8:30 to play in the half. #SJUBB

Make that 30-26 and Karr connects on a 12-foot baseline J. #SJUBB
 
WOOOOOOOOOOOO DEE shakes and bakes the 7-footer for 3! Great sugar-sharing to find him. #SJUBB trails 32-29 with 5:00 to go in the half.
 
Great work by CJ in the post draws two fouls, the second shooting. Makes them both and it's 32-31 Manresa. Both big guys have 3 fls.
 
CJ hooked on the other end, and it's #SJUBB possession. Down 34-31 after Manresa's Monroe banks one in.
 
DEE from the CORNER! His fourth 3, he has 14. #SJUBB down 40-34 with :216 to go in the half after two Manresa FTs.
 
I met Gonzalo in Bilbao about six years ago. He was much better looking than the guy pictured with Coach Lavin in that photo.

Being a St Johns fan ages us all beyond our years.

MattC will look like a grandfather if we dont start winning soon

I looked like Brad Pitt 10 seconds before the tip of the Elite Eight game against Ohio State.
 
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Dee and Dom score on drives, Dee on the Hardy/Pitt move! OH SIR DOM with the DUNK and the foul, it's 44-40. #SJUBB trails with 1:10 to go.
 
Team definitely needed this trip.

Not sure how comfortable I am with D'Angelo averaging 15 shots a game with the collective talent that we have.

Who else would you prefer taking shots? I'll take 9/22 from him all year. Hopefully we can get a lot more easier baskets with more pressure/depth and penetration, but I'll take a Harrison jumper in the half court over just about anyone.

Share the wealth is all I'm saying. If Orlando was on a lesser team, he'd be putting up monster numbers simply because of his versatility.

Moose's comparison of Dee to Russ Smith is starting to look eerie. Dee is skilled enough not just to be labeled as a gunner. So why is he gunning? Does the ball even leave his hands once he touches it?

This falls on Lavin and Whitesell.

You have more than one tool in the toolbox. Use them.

Orlando was on a much lesser team at Monroe, and he averaged single digits. He's not an alpha scorer. His biggest contributions will be getting the ball off the glass and using his skill to move it around. He's a capable scorer, but we're in trouble if he has to carry the scoring load.

As for Harrison, how can we label him a gunner for yesterday if we didn't see the game? We WON. Twitter feeds said he willed us to victory. He's our best FT shooteer by a mile, he's got an airtight handle, he has good vision, he strains the defense everytime he touches the ball, and he makes things easier for everyone around him because of his offensive prowess. Maybe he was killing it off the dribble and spreading it around? We didn't see. He did what he needed to win us a close one.

He's not a monster scorer but he is a versatile playmaker.

My problem with Dee is that the other players may start to force shots because they don't think that they'll see the ball again. That is a serious problem which I thought with the addition of quality players, shooters and Whitesell we would have moved on from.

I'm not commenting on whether game situations warranted 22 shots. If they were 22 good looks within his range, then there's no complaining. However 9-22 is nothing to be thrilled about - in general it's a subpar shooting performance.

One quick point since I'm too lazy to look back at the the box scores of the trip BUT, they're playing 4 x 12 minute quarters so that's 20% more time/shots than a normal college game. They are also playing with a 24 second clock, so again more shots are being taken. How many shots per game is the team taking? What is Dlo's % of them compared to last year. Anyone want to figure that out the answers to those questions rather than looking at one game, or one number in isolation? I seem to remember 3 guys taking double digit shots in the first game.

Also to the couple of math and reality challenged posters 9/22 is 41% so he achieved your goal iof shooting 40-50%. To the other, you do realize that not a single guard in the Big East shot 50% last year? Only 5 shot over 45%. Mack, Woodall, Blue, Starks and Cadougan. Back to the first poster, so if he'd have made one more shot yesteday he'd have shot at a high enough percentage to have been ranked as the 5th best shooting SG in the BE last season, disgraceful. Just saying you might want to set more realistic goals.

Conversely I believe the top 7 scorers for U Michigan shot 44% from the field or better. 41% for oone game is noting to write home about. As it stands, I corrected myself once Paul posted that Harrison hit 3 -threes, elevating the 9-22 to 10.5/22 productivity, very close to 50% FG accuracy. However being a 30% FG shooter in college strikes fear in the heart of no opposing coach, and your pro prospects are zilch.
 
Team definitely needed this trip.

Not sure how comfortable I am with D'Angelo averaging 15 shots a game with the collective talent that we have.

Who else would you prefer taking shots? I'll take 9/22 from him all year. Hopefully we can get a lot more easier baskets with more pressure/depth and penetration, but I'll take a Harrison jumper in the half court over just about anyone.

Share the wealth is all I'm saying. If Orlando was on a lesser team, he'd be putting up monster numbers simply because of his versatility.

Moose's comparison of Dee to Russ Smith is starting to look eerie. Dee is skilled enough not just to be labeled as a gunner. So why is he gunning? Does the ball even leave his hands once he touches it?

This falls on Lavin and Whitesell.

You have more than one tool in the toolbox. Use them.

Orlando was on a much lesser team at Monroe, and he averaged single digits. He's not an alpha scorer. His biggest contributions will be getting the ball off the glass and using his skill to move it around. He's a capable scorer, but we're in trouble if he has to carry the scoring load.

As for Harrison, how can we label him a gunner for yesterday if we didn't see the game? We WON. Twitter feeds said he willed us to victory. He's our best FT shooteer by a mile, he's got an airtight handle, he has good vision, he strains the defense everytime he touches the ball, and he makes things easier for everyone around him because of his offensive prowess. Maybe he was killing it off the dribble and spreading it around? We didn't see. He did what he needed to win us a close one.

He's not a monster scorer but he is a versatile playmaker.

My problem with Dee is that the other players may start to force shots because they don't think that they'll see the ball again. That is a serious problem which I thought with the addition of quality players, shooters and Whitesell we would have moved on from.

I'm not commenting on whether game situations warranted 22 shots. If they were 22 good looks within his range, then there's no complaining. However 9-22 is nothing to be thrilled about - in general it's a subpar shooting performance.

One quick point since I'm too lazy to look back at the the box scores of the trip BUT, they're playing 4 x 12 minute quarters so that's 20% more time/shots than a normal college game. They are also playing with a 24 second clock, so again more shots are being taken. How many shots per game is the team taking? What is Dlo's % of them compared to last year. Anyone want to figure that out the answers to those questions rather than looking at one game, or one number in isolation? I seem to remember 3 guys taking double digit shots in the first game.

Also to the couple of math and reality challenged posters 9/22 is 41% so he achieved your goal iof shooting 40-50%. To the other, you do realize that not a single guard in the Big East shot 50% last year? Only 5 shot over 45%. Mack, Woodall, Blue, Starks and Cadougan. Back to the first poster, so if he'd have made one more shot yesteday he'd have shot at a high enough percentage to have been ranked as the 5th best shooting SG in the BE last season, disgraceful. Just saying you might want to set more realistic goals.

Great post.

Good point about the shot clock. Not sure about the time played but definitely 4 quarters. 12 minutes seems like a lot based on the scores but you might be right.

Just checked the first box score since none you proved less lazy than me and went to look it up. Looks like it might be 4 x 10 minute quarters but the shot clock must be having an effect. In the first game 4 guys took double digit shots. Team took 77 compared to an average of 60 shots per game last season.
 
And a late run from Manresa gives them a 51-42 lead. Former Maryland guard Haukur Palsson scored five in a flurry.
 
shooting 40 pct., led by Harrison w/ 16 pts, 6-for-10 from the field and 4-for-5 from 3. The problem is, Manresa is shooting 59 pct.
 
JaKarr has 10 pts on 5-of-10 FGs. He and Primo have four boards apiece. #SJUBB trails on the glass, 23-16.
 
Mixing. Manresa is 6-of-11 from 3. (#SJUBB, notably, is 5-of-7). RT @Ad_Man_NYC: What kind of defense are we playing? Man, match up zone?
 
Three points to Beasts response. I don't think this team shoots as well as the defending national championship runners up. On this we both agree. Conversely the starting guards on the national champions shot 40 and 41% and Luke Hancock, super shooter extraordinaire shot 43%. 2nd I don't believe anyone we've discussed is a 30%FG shooter except Marco, have we discussed Marco? Third if you don't think DLo struck fear into opposing coaches more than any player on last year's roster we really shouldn't even be bothering with this converstation.
 
Team definitely needed this trip.

Not sure how comfortable I am with D'Angelo averaging 15 shots a game with the collective talent that we have.

Who else would you prefer taking shots? I'll take 9/22 from him all year. Hopefully we can get a lot more easier baskets with more pressure/depth and penetration, but I'll take a Harrison jumper in the half court over just about anyone.

Share the wealth is all I'm saying. If Orlando was on a lesser team, he'd be putting up monster numbers simply because of his versatility.

Moose's comparison of Dee to Russ Smith is starting to look eerie. Dee is skilled enough not just to be labeled as a gunner. So why is he gunning? Does the ball even leave his hands once he touches it?

This falls on Lavin and Whitesell.

You have more than one tool in the toolbox. Use them.

Orlando was on a much lesser team at Monroe, and he averaged single digits. He's not an alpha scorer. His biggest contributions will be getting the ball off the glass and using his skill to move it around. He's a capable scorer, but we're in trouble if he has to carry the scoring load.

As for Harrison, how can we label him a gunner for yesterday if we didn't see the game? We WON. Twitter feeds said he willed us to victory. He's our best FT shooteer by a mile, he's got an airtight handle, he has good vision, he strains the defense everytime he touches the ball, and he makes things easier for everyone around him because of his offensive prowess. Maybe he was killing it off the dribble and spreading it around? We didn't see. He did what he needed to win us a close one.

He's not a monster scorer but he is a versatile playmaker.

My problem with Dee is that the other players may start to force shots because they don't think that they'll see the ball again. That is a serious problem which I thought with the addition of quality players, shooters and Whitesell we would have moved on from.

I'm not commenting on whether game situations warranted 22 shots. If they were 22 good looks within his range, then there's no complaining. However 9-22 is nothing to be thrilled about - in general it's a subpar shooting performance.

One quick point since I'm too lazy to look back at the the box scores of the trip BUT, they're playing 4 x 12 minute quarters so that's 20% more time/shots than a normal college game. They are also playing with a 24 second clock, so again more shots are being taken. How many shots per game is the team taking? What is Dlo's % of them compared to last year. Anyone want to figure that out the answers to those questions rather than looking at one game, or one number in isolation? I seem to remember 3 guys taking double digit shots in the first game.

Also to the couple of math and reality challenged posters 9/22 is 41% so he achieved your goal iof shooting 40-50%. To the other, you do realize that not a single guard in the Big East shot 50% last year? Only 5 shot over 45%. Mack, Woodall, Blue, Starks and Cadougan. Back to the first poster, so if he'd have made one more shot yesteday he'd have shot at a high enough percentage to have been ranked as the 5th best shooting SG in the BE last season, disgraceful. Just saying you might want to set more realistic goals.

Great post.

Good point about the shot clock. Not sure about the time played but definitely 4 quarters. 12 minutes seems like a lot based on the scores but you might be right.

So where did Harrison rank in FG% in the Big East last year? High enough to strike fear in any opposing coach, or low enough to say "Give him a little room inside of 30, and he will fire one up"?
 
Three points to Beasts response. I don't think this team shoots as well as the defending national championship runners up. On this we both agree. Conversely the starting guards on the national champions shot 40 and 41% and Luke Hancock, super shooter extraordinaire shot 43%. 2nd I don't believe anyone we've discussed is a 30%FG shooter except Marco, have we discussed Marco? Third if you don't think DLo struck fear into opposing coaches more than any player on last year's roster we really shouldn't even be bothering with this converstation.

Do you think either of those Louisville starting guards would have started if they shot 30%?? And you are right, if you think a 30% shooter is feared at all, the conversation is over. I've said that Harrison is talented, but his shot selection must improve for this team to be a winner. If he ups his shooting %, he will be a serious threat on a potentially very good team. A Repeat of last year, and we are not an NCAA tourney team.
 
Johnnies running, an OBEKPA two-handed SLAM and Dee with the And-1. #SJUBB down 61-50 with 4:30 in 3Q, and Dee headed to the line for 1.
 
Beast, factual answer, his 39.6% ranked him 25th out of all guards in the BE. However judging from the test I guess that was high enough of a fear factor for defenses to pick him up at 30 feet and ignore the rest of the team, unless maybe you were watching games I missed.
 
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