Europe Trip Details

[Red.Fans]

Orlando was on a much lesser team at Monroe, and he averaged single digits. He's not an alpha scorer. His biggest contributions will be getting the ball off the glass and using his skill to move it around. He's a capable scorer, but we're in trouble if he has to carry the scoring load.

As for Harrison, how can we label him a gunner for yesterday if we didn't see the game? We WON. Twitter feeds said he willed us to victory. He's our best FT shooteer by a mile, he's got an airtight handle, he has good vision, he strains the defense everytime he touches the ball, and he makes things easier for everyone around him because of his offensive prowess. Maybe he was killing it off the dribble and spreading it around? We didn't see. He did what he needed to win us a close one.

Marillac you are dead on about it all from how he elevates the offense collectively to the FT shooting. 20 seconds left in the game, down by 1 who do you want with the ball? 1 second left in the game down by 1 who do you want at the line? Down by 3 with 3 seconds left in the game, who? Coach says go for the two and draw the foul, who? FT shooting is the elephant in the room. This team could add another 5-7ppg and potentially win a few more games, just by being a good FT shooting team. While I have been delighted to see Hooper rebounding in addition to the 3s, I cringed seeing his missed FTs. I think he's got a better 3pt% for this trip than FT%

 

[bobo]

While I have been delighted to see Hooper rebounding in addition to the 3s, I cringed seeing his missed FTs. I think he's got a better 3pt% for this trip than FT%

Maybe he should shoot his FT from behind the arc

 

[Class of 72]

Team definitely needed this trip.

Not sure how comfortable I am with D'Angelo averaging 15 shots a game with the collective talent that we have.

Who else would you prefer taking shots? I'll take 9/22 from him all year. Hopefully we can get a lot more easier baskets with more pressure/depth and penetration, but I'll take a Harrison jumper in the half court over just about anyone.

Share the wealth is all I'm saying. If Orlando was on a lesser team, he'd be putting up monster numbers simply because of his versatility.

Moose's comparison of Dee to Russ Smith is starting to look eerie. Dee is skilled enough not just to be labeled as a gunner. So why is he gunning? Does the ball even leave his hands once he touches it?

This falls on Lavin and Whitesell.

You have more than one tool in the toolbox. Use them.

Orlando was on a much lesser team at Monroe, and he averaged single digits. He's not an alpha scorer. His biggest contributions will be getting the ball off the glass and using his skill to move it around. He's a capable scorer, but we're in trouble if he has to carry the scoring load.

As for Harrison, how can we label him a gunner for yesterday if we didn't see the game? We WON. Twitter feeds said he willed us to victory. He's our best FT shooteer by a mile, he's got an airtight handle, he has good vision, he strains the defense everytime he touches the ball, and he makes things easier for everyone around him because of his offensive prowess. Maybe he was killing it off the dribble and spreading it around? We didn't see. He did what he needed to win us a close one.

Having seen Sanchez play at Monroe CC, I agree with post above. He has never been or will be a prolific scorer. Well rounded, multi talented, but not going to be a big scorer. That's ok on this team. He can pass, keep defenses honest with decent shooting touch, play same D & rebound. He also will increase the B'Ball IQ of a squad that needs that.

Do you think that will be enough for Primo to get drafted by an NBA team? Nurideen Lindsey arrived with comparisons to a a great Gtown player and went poof! So far we have played 2 Divison 3 level teams in Europe and a good B team in Spain. The only true pro team took us to the woodshed. Tonight we will play a very good Spanish team. Hopefully Primo can impress the Euro scouts.

 

[rawdognyc]

Geez. Has Whitesell even been with the team a month? We don't even know what the situations were yesterday and why dee had so many shot attempts. Karr and gift weren't even playing yesterday. Perhaps if they were those 22 shots would've been more like 15-17. Who cares anyway, these are just practice games. Give Whitesell time to assess the team after these practice games and figure out a game plan when the season starts in 2 months. Can't believe people are arguing over a game they didn't even see.

 

[beast of the east]

Team definitely needed this trip.

Not sure how comfortable I am with D'Angelo averaging 15 shots a game with the collective talent that we have.

Who else would you prefer taking shots? I'll take 9/22 from him all year. Hopefully we can get a lot more easier baskets with more pressure/depth and penetration, but I'll take a Harrison jumper in the half court over just about anyone.

Agree. 27 pts on 22 shots is good production as it factors in 3s and drawing fouls.

9/22 is not going to win you a lot of games. Getting fouled in the act doesn't count as an official shot, so unless he hit 9 3's, you really didn't produce 27 points off 22 shots. My opinion is that if you are going to be taking 22 shots, you'd better be making at least half of them, and maybe more.

Harrison has a much more difficult role than say a Dom Pointer when it comes to scoring, and his shots shouldn't really be viewed in the same light. Harrison has to take tougher shots. Nobody wants Dom shooting off the bounce, coming off screens, etc. Harrison is far and away our best option for those tough shots. Obviously, if you can get penetration and a dish or something in secondary transition, you take that from anyone. A lot of half court sets won't produce that even for the best teams, and that is where you need a player like Harrison. Harrison does an amazing job of drawing contact and he has very good vision and handle. I want the ball in his hands as much as possible. The only player that was on Harrison's level last year was Branch for a little stretch and their chemistry was awesome. From the brief highlights it loos like Harrison has the same repect/trust for Sanchez and Jordan.

I really can't believe that 27 points on 22 shots is drawing any criticism or worry from our fans!

As I said, every time you get fouled in the act of shooting, you don't get charged with a shot attempt unless the ball goes in. Fouls not in the act of shooting costs you a possession, so I don't want to look at points scored as justifying 9/22 UNLESS a large number of three point shots were made (basically count as 1.5 shots made for every three point basket). I agree with your assessment of Harrison being able to create his own shot where others aren't as adept. At this point I'd rather see Sampson shoot from 15, than Harrison from 18-20 since Sampson is a much more reliable shooter.

My only point is that if Harrison becomes more selective, he can take 12-15 shots per game, and have his shooting % inch towards 46-50%. If he does that we will have a very good season. IF he insists on scoring 20 ppg at 30%, he will be a very poor man's Alan Iverson, and the losses will mount. 9-22 of course isn't 30%, but i'd be much happier with 9-17.

Harrison doesn't have the luxury of being more selective. We are not a skilled offensive team even with the addition of Sanchez and Jordan. If he was surrounded by offensively talent players, it would be a different story. Our offense was TERRIBLE last year. We had no inside offensive threat and we were one of the worst three-point shooting teams in the country. Stop Harrison and you won last year...that simple.

You take the easy baskets when you can get them, but when there is less than 10 on the shot clock...guess who has the luxury of jacking up low % shots because they are the only one that can hit them? Harrison. Not fair for his shooting %s. The only time Harrison had a teammate near his level was when Branch was cruising before the injury. They had a great chemistry and I really think I saw that between Harrison and Sanchez and Jordan in the limited video. It's not fair to kill the guy that suffered because of how inept the others were around him last season.

Shooting 30% from the field, Harrison had a lot to do with us being horrible offensively. Until he shoots mid 40s to 50%, he cannot be considered the number one threat on anything but a bad team. Harrison had no faith in his teammates, and he was as guilty as any of them in terms of holding the ball or making meaningless passes as the shot clock wound down.

 

[beast of the east]

Team definitely needed this trip.

Not sure how comfortable I am with D'Angelo averaging 15 shots a game with the collective talent that we have.

Who else would you prefer taking shots? I'll take 9/22 from him all year. Hopefully we can get a lot more easier baskets with more pressure/depth and penetration, but I'll take a Harrison jumper in the half court over just about anyone.

Share the wealth is all I'm saying. If Orlando was on a lesser team, he'd be putting up monster numbers simply because of his versatility.

Moose's comparison of Dee to Russ Smith is starting to look eerie. Dee is skilled enough not just to be labeled as a gunner. So why is he gunning? Does the ball even leave his hands once he touches it?

This falls on Lavin and Whitesell.

You have more than one tool in the toolbox. Use them.

Orlando was on a much lesser team at Monroe, and he averaged single digits. He's not an alpha scorer. His biggest contributions will be getting the ball off the glass and using his skill to move it around. He's a capable scorer, but we're in trouble if he has to carry the scoring load.

As for Harrison, how can we label him a gunner for yesterday if we didn't see the game? We WON. Twitter feeds said he willed us to victory. He's our best FT shooteer by a mile, he's got an airtight handle, he has good vision, he strains the defense everytime he touches the ball, and he makes things easier for everyone around him because of his offensive prowess. Maybe he was killing it off the dribble and spreading it around? We didn't see. He did what he needed to win us a close one.

He's not a monster scorer but he is a versatile playmaker.

My problem with Dee is that the other players may start to force shots because they don't think that they'll see the ball again. That is a serious problem which I thought with the addition of quality players, shooters and Whitesell we would have moved on from.

I'm not commenting on whether game situations warranted 22 shots. If they were 22 good looks within his range, then there's no complaining. However 9-22 is nothing to be thrilled about - in general it's a subpar shooting performance.

 

[Red.Fans]

Starting lineup for this game: Branch, Jordan, Harrison, Pointer, Sanchez. I wonder how often we'd ever see that lineup?

DH 27pts shot 6/14 FG (43%) 3/8 3PT (38%) + 4 Reb, 3 Stls, 2 blks

 

[beast of the east]

Starting lineup for this game: Branch, Jordan, Harrison, Pointer, Sanchez. I wonder how often we'd ever see that lineup?

DH 27pts shot 6/14 FG (43%) 3/8 3PT (38%) + 4 Reb, 3 Stls, 2 blks

Thanks!!! 9 for 22 with three 3's equates to 10.5 for 22, and that's an acceptable shooting night.

 

[fuchsia]

I met Gonzalo in Bilbao about six years ago. He was much better looking than the guy pictured with Coach Lavin in that photo.

 

[mjmaherjr]

I met Gonzalo in Bilbao about six years ago. He was much better looking than the guy pictured with Coach Lavin in that photo.

Being a St Johns fan ages us all beyond our years.

MattC will look like a grandfather if we dont start winning soon

 

[McGarry2]

Will the real Gonzalo please stand up!

 

[Section9]

Team definitely needed this trip.

Not sure how comfortable I am with D'Angelo averaging 15 shots a game with the collective talent that we have.

Who else would you prefer taking shots? I'll take 9/22 from him all year. Hopefully we can get a lot more easier baskets with more pressure/depth and penetration, but I'll take a Harrison jumper in the half court over just about anyone.

Agree. 27 pts on 22 shots is good production as it factors in 3s and drawing fouls.

9/22 is not going to win you a lot of games. Getting fouled in the act doesn't count as an official shot, so unless he hit 9 3's, you really didn't produce 27 points off 22 shots. My opinion is that if you are going to be taking 22 shots, you'd better be making at least half of them, and maybe more.

Harrison has a much more difficult role than say a Dom Pointer when it comes to scoring, and his shots shouldn't really be viewed in the same light. Harrison has to take tougher shots. Nobody wants Dom shooting off the bounce, coming off screens, etc. Harrison is far and away our best option for those tough shots. Obviously, if you can get penetration and a dish or something in secondary transition, you take that from anyone. A lot of half court sets won't produce that even for the best teams, and that is where you need a player like Harrison. Harrison does an amazing job of drawing contact and he has very good vision and handle. I want the ball in his hands as much as possible. The only player that was on Harrison's level last year was Branch for a little stretch and their chemistry was awesome. From the brief highlights it loos like Harrison has the same repect/trust for Sanchez and Jordan.

I really can't believe that 27 points on 22 shots is drawing any criticism or worry from our fans!

Bingo. In crunch time with the game on the line I want the ball in Dlo's hands.

I want the ball in Sheed or Branch's hands.

They can facilitate for either themselves or others.

Wth Dee, it's either he'll shoot it or bust.

We haven't seen enough of Branch and nothing of Jordan. Maybe they can be the go to guys or facititators, but Dlo's shown he has the cojones to want the ball when the game's on the line and right now he's the one I want with the ball in those circumstances.

Another angle; who do you think the opposing coach is keying his defense on in that situation?

 

[SJUalum98]

Team definitely needed this trip.

Not sure how comfortable I am with D'Angelo averaging 15 shots a game with the collective talent that we have.

Who else would you prefer taking shots? I'll take 9/22 from him all year. Hopefully we can get a lot more easier baskets with more pressure/depth and penetration, but I'll take a Harrison jumper in the half court over just about anyone.

Agree. 27 pts on 22 shots is good production as it factors in 3s and drawing fouls.

9/22 is not going to win you a lot of games. Getting fouled in the act doesn't count as an official shot, so unless he hit 9 3's, you really didn't produce 27 points off 22 shots. My opinion is that if you are going to be taking 22 shots, you'd better be making at least half of them, and maybe more.

Harrison has a much more difficult role than say a Dom Pointer when it comes to scoring, and his shots shouldn't really be viewed in the same light. Harrison has to take tougher shots. Nobody wants Dom shooting off the bounce, coming off screens, etc. Harrison is far and away our best option for those tough shots. Obviously, if you can get penetration and a dish or something in secondary transition, you take that from anyone. A lot of half court sets won't produce that even for the best teams, and that is where you need a player like Harrison. Harrison does an amazing job of drawing contact and he has very good vision and handle. I want the ball in his hands as much as possible. The only player that was on Harrison's level last year was Branch for a little stretch and their chemistry was awesome. From the brief highlights it loos like Harrison has the same repect/trust for Sanchez and Jordan.

I really can't believe that 27 points on 22 shots is drawing any criticism or worry from our fans!

Bingo. In crunch time with the game on the line I want the ball in Dlo's hands.

I want the ball in Sheed or Branch's hands.

They can facilitate for either themselves or others.

Wth Dee, it's either he'll shoot it or bust.

We haven't seen enough of Branch and nothing of Jordan. Maybe they can be the go to guys or facititators, but Dlo's shown he has the cojones to want the ball when the game's on the line and right now he's the one I want with the ball in those circumstances.

Another angle; who do you think the opposing coach is keying his defense on in that situation?

Whoever's hot.

 

[Marillac]

Team definitely needed this trip.

Not sure how comfortable I am with D'Angelo averaging 15 shots a game with the collective talent that we have.

Who else would you prefer taking shots? I'll take 9/22 from him all year. Hopefully we can get a lot more easier baskets with more pressure/depth and penetration, but I'll take a Harrison jumper in the half court over just about anyone.

Agree. 27 pts on 22 shots is good production as it factors in 3s and drawing fouls.

9/22 is not going to win you a lot of games. Getting fouled in the act doesn't count as an official shot, so unless he hit 9 3's, you really didn't produce 27 points off 22 shots. My opinion is that if you are going to be taking 22 shots, you'd better be making at least half of them, and maybe more.

Harrison has a much more difficult role than say a Dom Pointer when it comes to scoring, and his shots shouldn't really be viewed in the same light. Harrison has to take tougher shots. Nobody wants Dom shooting off the bounce, coming off screens, etc. Harrison is far and away our best option for those tough shots. Obviously, if you can get penetration and a dish or something in secondary transition, you take that from anyone. A lot of half court sets won't produce that even for the best teams, and that is where you need a player like Harrison. Harrison does an amazing job of drawing contact and he has very good vision and handle. I want the ball in his hands as much as possible. The only player that was on Harrison's level last year was Branch for a little stretch and their chemistry was awesome. From the brief highlights it loos like Harrison has the same repect/trust for Sanchez and Jordan.

I really can't believe that 27 points on 22 shots is drawing any criticism or worry from our fans!

Bingo. In crunch time with the game on the line I want the ball in Dlo's hands.

I want the ball in Sheed or Branch's hands.

They can facilitate for either themselves or others.

Wth Dee, it's either he'll shoot it or bust.

We haven't seen enough of Branch and nothing of Jordan. Maybe they can be the go to guys or facititators, but Dlo's shown he has the cojones to want the ball when the game's on the line and right now he's the one I want with the ball in those circumstances.

Another angle; who do you think the opposing coach is keying his defense on in that situation?

Whoever's hot.

Wrong. It will be Harrison. Make ANYBODY else beat you.

 

[ras]

Its true its hard to comment based on a few exhibition games That said in general Dees FG% has not been great. I love his fire and am very glad hes on our team . His head also seems to be in a better place. What Im saying is if Hooper is wide open, I don't want to see Dee take a tough shot ,I want him to pass the ball. This team is too well balanced for a 1 man show. Once the season starts we will see how this all pans out. Like I said I want his FG% to improve and that would come w better shot selection. I am,optimistic. Dee is a clutch player, but if he is double teamed and someone is wide open at the end of a game,who should take the shot?

 

[Section9]

Team definitely needed this trip.

Not sure how comfortable I am with D'Angelo averaging 15 shots a game with the collective talent that we have.

Who else would you prefer taking shots? I'll take 9/22 from him all year. Hopefully we can get a lot more easier baskets with more pressure/depth and penetration, but I'll take a Harrison jumper in the half court over just about anyone.

Agree. 27 pts on 22 shots is good production as it factors in 3s and drawing fouls.

9/22 is not going to win you a lot of games. Getting fouled in the act doesn't count as an official shot, so unless he hit 9 3's, you really didn't produce 27 points off 22 shots. My opinion is that if you are going to be taking 22 shots, you'd better be making at least half of them, and maybe more.

Harrison has a much more difficult role than say a Dom Pointer when it comes to scoring, and his shots shouldn't really be viewed in the same light. Harrison has to take tougher shots. Nobody wants Dom shooting off the bounce, coming off screens, etc. Harrison is far and away our best option for those tough shots. Obviously, if you can get penetration and a dish or something in secondary transition, you take that from anyone. A lot of half court sets won't produce that even for the best teams, and that is where you need a player like Harrison. Harrison does an amazing job of drawing contact and he has very good vision and handle. I want the ball in his hands as much as possible. The only player that was on Harrison's level last year was Branch for a little stretch and their chemistry was awesome. From the brief highlights it loos like Harrison has the same repect/trust for Sanchez and Jordan.

I really can't believe that 27 points on 22 shots is drawing any criticism or worry from our fans!

Bingo. In crunch time with the game on the line I want the ball in Dlo's hands.

I want the ball in Sheed or Branch's hands.

They can facilitate for either themselves or others.

Wth Dee, it's either he'll shoot it or bust.

We haven't seen enough of Branch and nothing of Jordan. Maybe they can be the go to guys or facititators, but Dlo's shown he has the cojones to want the ball when the game's on the line and right now he's the one I want with the ball in those circumstances.

Another angle; who do you think the opposing coach is keying his defense on in that situation?

Whoever's hot.

If nobody's "hot", or even if they are, you know he's still going to look to deny Dlo

 

[austour]

Team definitely needed this trip.

Not sure how comfortable I am with D'Angelo averaging 15 shots a game with the collective talent that we have.

Who else would you prefer taking shots? I'll take 9/22 from him all year. Hopefully we can get a lot more easier baskets with more pressure/depth and penetration, but I'll take a Harrison jumper in the half court over just about anyone.

Share the wealth is all I'm saying. If Orlando was on a lesser team, he'd be putting up monster numbers simply because of his versatility.

Moose's comparison of Dee to Russ Smith is starting to look eerie. Dee is skilled enough not just to be labeled as a gunner. So why is he gunning? Does the ball even leave his hands once he touches it?

This falls on Lavin and Whitesell.

You have more than one tool in the toolbox. Use them.

Orlando was on a much lesser team at Monroe, and he averaged single digits. He's not an alpha scorer. His biggest contributions will be getting the ball off the glass and using his skill to move it around. He's a capable scorer, but we're in trouble if he has to carry the scoring load.

As for Harrison, how can we label him a gunner for yesterday if we didn't see the game? We WON. Twitter feeds said he willed us to victory. He's our best FT shooteer by a mile, he's got an airtight handle, he has good vision, he strains the defense everytime he touches the ball, and he makes things easier for everyone around him because of his offensive prowess. Maybe he was killing it off the dribble and spreading it around? We didn't see. He did what he needed to win us a close one.

He's not a monster scorer but he is a versatile playmaker.

My problem with Dee is that the other players may start to force shots because they don't think that they'll see the ball again. That is a serious problem which I thought with the addition of quality players, shooters and Whitesell we would have moved on from.

I'm not commenting on whether game situations warranted 22 shots. If they were 22 good looks within his range, then there's no complaining. However 9-22 is nothing to be thrilled about - in general it's a subpar shooting performance.

One quick point since I'm too lazy to look back at the the box scores of the trip BUT, they're playing 4 x 12 minute quarters so that's 20% more time/shots than a normal college game. They are also playing with a 24 second clock, so again more shots are being taken. How many shots per game is the team taking? What is Dlo's % of them compared to last year. Anyone want to figure that out the answers to those questions rather than looking at one game, or one number in isolation? I seem to remember 3 guys taking double digit shots in the first game.

Also to the couple of math and reality challenged posters 9/22 is 41% so he achieved your goal iof shooting 40-50%. To the other, you do realize that not a single guard in the Big East shot 50% last year? Only 5 shot over 45%. Mack, Woodall, Blue, Starks and Cadougan. Back to the first poster, so if he'd have made one more shot yesteday he'd have shot at a high enough percentage to have been ranked as the 5th best shooting SG in the BE last season, disgraceful. Just saying you might want to set more realistic goals.

 

[tom in salem]

StJohnsBasketball ‏@StJohnsBBall 18m
#SJUBB Starting Five: G Branch, G Harrison, F Sampson, F Sanchez, C Obekpa

 

[austour]

PS, I guess we're not sharint twitter feed and comments about today's game?

Sheed drives and is fouled, makes one. A FT from Manresa and its 24-17. #SJUBB trails with 53.3 to go in the first.

 

[Moose]

Team definitely needed this trip.

Not sure how comfortable I am with D'Angelo averaging 15 shots a game with the collective talent that we have.

Who else would you prefer taking shots? I'll take 9/22 from him all year. Hopefully we can get a lot more easier baskets with more pressure/depth and penetration, but I'll take a Harrison jumper in the half court over just about anyone.

Share the wealth is all I'm saying. If Orlando was on a lesser team, he'd be putting up monster numbers simply because of his versatility.

Moose's comparison of Dee to Russ Smith is starting to look eerie. Dee is skilled enough not just to be labeled as a gunner. So why is he gunning? Does the ball even leave his hands once he touches it?

This falls on Lavin and Whitesell.

You have more than one tool in the toolbox. Use them.

Orlando was on a much lesser team at Monroe, and he averaged single digits. He's not an alpha scorer. His biggest contributions will be getting the ball off the glass and using his skill to move it around. He's a capable scorer, but we're in trouble if he has to carry the scoring load.

As for Harrison, how can we label him a gunner for yesterday if we didn't see the game? We WON. Twitter feeds said he willed us to victory. He's our best FT shooteer by a mile, he's got an airtight handle, he has good vision, he strains the defense everytime he touches the ball, and he makes things easier for everyone around him because of his offensive prowess. Maybe he was killing it off the dribble and spreading it around? We didn't see. He did what he needed to win us a close one.

He's not a monster scorer but he is a versatile playmaker.

My problem with Dee is that the other players may start to force shots because they don't think that they'll see the ball again. That is a serious problem which I thought with the addition of quality players, shooters and Whitesell we would have moved on from.

I'm not commenting on whether game situations warranted 22 shots. If they were 22 good looks within his range, then there's no complaining. However 9-22 is nothing to be thrilled about - in general it's a subpar shooting performance.

One quick point since I'm too lazy to look back at the the box scores of the trip BUT, they're playing 4 x 12 minute quarters so that's 20% more time/shots than a normal college game. They are also playing with a 24 second clock, so again more shots are being taken. How many shots per game is the team taking? What is Dlo's % of them compared to last year. Anyone want to figure that out the answers to those questions rather than looking at one game, or one number in isolation? I seem to remember 3 guys taking double digit shots in the first game.

Also to the couple of math and reality challenged posters 9/22 is 41% so he achieved your goal iof shooting 40-50%. To the other, you do realize that not a single guard in the Big East shot 50% last year? Only 5 shot over 45%. Mack, Woodall, Blue, Starks and Cadougan. Back to the first poster, so if he'd have made one more shot yesteday he'd have shot at a high enough percentage to have been ranked as the 5th best shooting SG in the BE last season, disgraceful. Just saying you might want to set more realistic goals.

Great post.

Good point about the shot clock. Not sure about the time played but definitely 4 quarters. 12 minutes seems like a lot based on the scores but you might be right.