Europe Trip Details

[beast of the east]

According to the stats, Lipscomb, playing less than 7 minutes, led the team in assists (3).

Three assists in 7 minutes?
That's at least 17 a game.
Has to start.
Love stats.

You must be kidding? There are statistically significant events, and those that aren't. In basketball even if you scored 25 point in half a game, as impressive as that is, you can't suggest that had the player logged a full game the results would be much better, no less double. What Lipscomb did was the equivalent of a guy hitting 2 shots in 5 minutes of play.

 

[SJU61982]

According to the stats, Lipscomb, playing less than 7 minutes, led the team in assists (3).

Three assists in 7 minutes?
That's at least 17 a game.
Has to start.
Love stats.

You must be kidding? There are statistically significant events, and those that aren't. In basketball even if you scored 25 point in half a game, as impressive as that is, you can't suggest that had the player logged a full game the results would be much better, no less double. What Lipscomb did was the equivalent of a guy hitting 2 shots in 5 minutes of play.

I think qcredman was being sarcastic, Beast. Always tough to distinguish on here.

 

[austour]

Always assume sarcasm here, its the safest bet.

 

[Redfaced]

Not upset at all...considering they beat Temple by 30 and the fact that the FT's were so lopsided. Also factor in that Jordan never played...with him it's much closer. Anyway, from the video from the first game, anyone else notice D'Lo was smiling in the huddle? Now that's nice to see. We are CRAZY athletic. Expect tons of highlight plays making the SC top 10 this year.

Just curious, why would the fact that they beat Temple by 30 be of any consequence for you as to how we fared? Were you not the poster who has claimed Temple to be a MID MAJOR who in fact lost allot of players to graduation? Why use them as a measuring stick?

 

[BOB BARKER]

IT APPEARS SANCHEZ PRETTY GOOD 3 PT SHOOTER.....MAYBE HE NEEDS TO SHOOT MORE.........ALSO,LAST TIME SJ HAD A DEEP BENCH,THE ADMIN FIRED FRAN AND BROUGHT IN JARVIS ET FILS...WILL HX REPEAT? ALSO,THINK THAT A FROG SQUAD WITH A MIDGET FRONT LINE SHOULD BE EASILY OVERWHELMED BY THE BIGGER,MORE ATHLETIC AMERICANS......SACRE BLEU...BUT LE COACH DECIDED TO CHUCK IT UP FROM THE OUTSIDE....MERS....

 

[Redfaced]

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Video highlights from today

Was watching the video thinking what an unbelievable experience it is for our guys to travel to Europe. Then I saw Marco in the back - for him it's just a trip home. Would be cool if the team got to visit at his family's home

Agree about the trip except to see Mr. Orange face enjoying the trip on our season ticket holders dimes.

 

[beast of the east]

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Video highlights from today

Was watching the video thinking what an unbelievable experience it is for our guys to travel to Europe. Then I saw Marco in the back - for him it's just a trip home. Would be cool if the team got to visit at his family's home

Agree about the trip except to see Mr. Orange face enjoying the trip on our season ticket holders dimes.

You know, I've railed pretty hard that top D1 schools make a ton of money off the backs of athletes, who get little in return (EXCEPT for a free tuition ride & room/board). I couldn't help but think that many of our kids may not even have had passports, been to Canada, etc, and here they are in Europe - a trip they will remember for a lifetime. Can't help but feel good for them.

 

[Pleasedontbanmeagain]

Not upset at all...considering they beat Temple by 30 and the fact that the FT's were so lopsided. Also factor in that Jordan never played...with him it's much closer. Anyway, from the video from the first game, anyone else notice D'Lo was smiling in the huddle? Now that's nice to see. We are CRAZY athletic. Expect tons of highlight plays making the SC top 10 this year.

Just curious, why would the fact that they beat Temple by 30 be of any consequence for you as to how we fared? Were you not the poster who has claimed Temple to be a MID MAJOR who in fact lost allot of players to graduation? Why use them as a measuring stick?

They are a mid major. In every way. That doesn't mean they are a bad team. They are consistently among the top tier of mid major teams and have great coaching. Even though their players left from the great team from last year, they should still be a good team IMO. Not great but at least competitive similar to our season last year. Who else would you prefer me use as a measuring stick? I have no clue who else played that French team from America. I also think not having Sheed was a massive blow. Also sounded as if the refs were extreme homers. The FT discrepancy was high as well.

I never said just because a team is a mid major that they aren't good. You also have to remember that this pro team has been together for a LONG time and have all their skills refined...they are veterans. We have college kids. It seems we haven't hit our stride yet shooting wise except for the 3 ball. D'Lo especially needs a big comeback game.

 

[Marillac]

I feel better about the loss after looking into the roster. BA Walker went for 18 points against us and he has quite the resume. I think many of us remember him. He was a four year starter for VCU...making two tournament appearances. He was a starter and leading scorer (over Eric Maynor) at 15 ppg when VCU beat Duke in the first round. He dropped 20 on Pitt in an OT loss in the second round. Walker shot 40% from three over his college career and spent some time in the NBA summer league. He's been a professional since and played very high level ball.

Add to that the 6'11 center, Diarra, that played at USF and the 6'7 220 Ashaolu who averaged 14 and 9 for La Tech and 9 and 6 for Oregon his last season. They also have 6'5 220 forward from Drexel, Givens, that averaged 10 pts and 8 boards over his career (high of 12 and 10). 6'5 guard Lahaou Konate was/is on the NBA radar. PG Bryan Pamba is jacked, played in the France A league, and is another guy that is a step below the NBA (ranked #18 out of international players born in 1992. They have a 6'9 forward, Traore, that has played high level pro ball for a decade.

 

[Mean Gene]

I feel better about the loss after looking into the roster. BA Walker went for 18 points against us and he has quite the resume. I think many of us remember him. He was a four year starter for VCU...making two tournament appearances. He was a starter and leading scorer (over Eric Maynor) at 15 ppg when VCU beat Duke in the first round. He dropped 20 on Pitt in an OT loss in the second round. Walker shot 40% from three over his college career and spent some time in the NBA summer league. He's been a professional since and played very high level ball.

Add to that the 6'11 center, Diarra, that played at USF and the 6'7 220 Ashaolu who averaged 14 and 9 for La Tech and 9 and 6 for Oregon his last season. They also have 6'5 220 forward from Drexel, Givens, that averaged 10 pts and 8 boards over his career (high of 12 and 10). 6'5 guard Lahaou Konate was/is on the NBA radar. PG Bryan Pamba is jacked, played in the France A league, and is another guy that is a step below the NBA (ranked #18 out of international players born in 1992. They have a 6'9 forward, Traore, that has played high level pro ball for a decade.

I agree. I also think that in addition to Rysheed not playing, Balamou also wasn't playing and he is a good defensive player and a good rebounder for a guard. We're basically playing with only two guards as Greene is out also. I also feel that, if you look at the box scores for the two games, Lavin is playing some guys to get them in the game and get them some minutes but these guys will not see the floor as the regular season heats up. Guys like Lipscomb, N'ydia, even Marco and Jones wont be getting minutes like they did. So, taking everything into account, I'm not that concerned about the 25pt loss.

 

[Pleasedontbanmeagain]

Plus, in Europe don't they get an extra step that would normally be called traveling in the US? Not too familiar with the rule differences but I remember hearing that. If so, that's another big difference that gives Euro teams an edge.

 

[gman]

Plus, in Europe don't they get an extra step that would normally be called traveling in the US? Not too familiar with the rule differences but I remember hearing that. If so, that's another big difference that gives Euro teams an edge.

Are you talking about Manu's eurostep? It's not a walk it's still a 2 step move.

 

[Pleasedontbanmeagain]

Plus, in Europe don't they get an extra step that would normally be called traveling in the US? Not too familiar with the rule differences but I remember hearing that. If so, that's another big difference that gives Euro teams an edge.

Are you talking about Manu's eurostep? It's not a walk it's still a 2 step move.

That might be it, but I remember hearing you get an extra step or 2 in Europe that you won't get in the NBA.

 

[redken]

Plus, in Europe don't they get an extra step that would normally be called traveling in the US? Not too familiar with the rule differences but I remember hearing that. If so, that's another big difference that gives Euro teams an edge.

Are you talking about Manu's eurostep? It's not a walk it's still a 2 step move.

That might be it, but I remember hearing you get an extra step or 2 in Europe that you won't get in the NBA.

Tell it to Patrick Ewing.

 

[bamafan]

Plus, in Europe don't they get an extra step that would normally be called traveling in the US? Not too familiar with the rule differences but I remember hearing that. If so, that's another big difference that gives Euro teams an edge.

Are you talking about Manu's eurostep? It's not a walk it's still a 2 step move.

That might be it, but I remember hearing you get an extra step or 2 in Europe that you won't get in the NBA.

Yeah in the nba you get 3 1/2 steps so I guess in Europe you get 4 1/2 to 5 1/2. also the rule for offensive goaltending is different which takes an adjustment period.

 

[Redfaced]

Not upset at all...considering they beat Temple by 30 and the fact that the FT's were so lopsided. Also factor in that Jordan never played...with him it's much closer. Anyway, from the video from the first game, anyone else notice D'Lo was smiling in the huddle? Now that's nice to see. We are CRAZY athletic. Expect tons of highlight plays making the SC top 10 this year.

Just curious, why would the fact that they beat Temple by 30 be of any consequence for you as to how we fared? Were you not the poster who has claimed Temple to be a MID MAJOR who in fact lost allot of players to graduation? Why use them as a measuring stick?

They are a mid major. In every way. That doesn't mean they are a bad team. They are consistently among the top tier of mid major teams and have great coaching. Even though their players left from the great team from last year, they should still be a good team IMO. Not great but at least competitive similar to our season last year. Who else would you prefer me use as a measuring stick? I have no clue who else played that French team from America. I also think not having Sheed was a massive blow. Also sounded as if the refs were extreme homers. The FT discrepancy was high as well.

I never said just because a team is a mid major that they aren't good. You also have to remember that this pro team has been together for a LONG time and have all their skills refined...they are veterans. We have college kids. It seems we haven't hit our stride yet shooting wise except for the 3 ball. D'Lo especially needs a big comeback game.

I agree re. The experience factor of the French team. I realize that they have been practicing and playing together for some time and the Johnnies for only 10 days ( although most of the team has played together for two years). I also understand that with the exception of Orlando (as he is a bit older) you could use the "it was boys vs. men expression", however, while the you can cite many reasons for the teams loss, I am a bit surprised at some individual performances at least if one goes by the stat line. 1. With the amount of off season work tat DLo put into his game, I would think that his shooting percentage would be a bit better. 2. Since many on this site have already labeled Sanchez and Sampson as sure fire NBA prospects, I would think that could do better than 8 points against this team. As good as many individual players may be on that French team, none were NBA caliber players.

I think that it's great that we are playing competitive teams early on instead of the usual supply of cupcakes that are the norm in early season. Such an experience can at the very least, raise the physicality level of the team. If all goes to plan, I fully expect that we should clobber our early season non conference teams ( with a few exceptions of course ) and represent ourselves well in the new Big East.

 

[beast of the east]

Plus, in Europe don't they get an extra step that would normally be called traveling in the US? Not too familiar with the rule differences but I remember hearing that. If so, that's another big difference that gives Euro teams an edge.

Are you talking about Manu's eurostep? It's not a walk it's still a 2 step move.

That might be it, but I remember hearing you get an extra step or 2 in Europe that you won't get in the NBA.

Yeah in the nba you get 3 1/2 steps so I guess in Europe you get 4 1/2 to 5 1/2. also the rule for offensive goaltending is different which takes an adjustment period.

Back in the day amazing leapers were guys who could take off from the foul line and sky to jam it. Today in the NBA, they allow so many steps that if guys start from the foul line, by the time they take their last step they'd be in the 3rd row of seats.

 

[beast of the east]

Plus, in Europe don't they get an extra step that would normally be called traveling in the US? Not too familiar with the rule differences but I remember hearing that. If so, that's another big difference that gives Euro teams an edge.

Are you talking about Manu's eurostep? It's not a walk it's still a 2 step move.

That might be it, but I remember hearing you get an extra step or 2 in Europe that you won't get in the NBA.

Yeah in the nba you get 3 1/2 steps so I guess in Europe you get 4 1/2 to 5 1/2. also the rule for offensive goaltending is different which takes an adjustment period.

Back in the day amazing leapers were guys who could take off from the foul line and sky to jam it. Today in the NBA, they allow so many steps that if guys start from the foul line, by the time they take their last step they'd be in the 3rd row of seats.

I blame Chris Mullin for the thirty point beatdown. After all, it was the incredible basketball ambassadorship of Dream Team 1, of which Mullin was an integral part, which captured the entire basketball planet. Before those Olympics, in most European countries, basketball was an American game that some native Europeans sometimes played. Of course, this wasn't limited to Europe. It was true in Australia, where Andrew Gaze was an anomaly, in South America, and in the Caribbean also (where Tim Duncan only took up basketball when a Hurricane destroyed the swimming pool he trained in as a competitive swimmer). So blame Chris Mullin, because if it wasn't for Dream Team 1, a very good high school team could have gone over there and whipped some French butt in basketball. Instead, Europe is loaded with serious basketball talent, as also exists all over the world.

 

[simplyred]

The guys are sightseeing during the day and walking into the gym to play against pros in the evening. I was surprised at how well they played in the first game.

 

[johnsliva]

Plus, in Europe don't they get an extra step that would normally be called traveling in the US? Not too familiar with the rule differences but I remember hearing that. If so, that's another big difference that gives Euro teams an edge.

Are you talking about Manu's eurostep? It's not a walk it's still a 2 step move.

That might be it, but I remember hearing you get an extra step or 2 in Europe that you won't get in the NBA.

Yeah in the nba you get 3 1/2 steps so I guess in Europe you get 4 1/2 to 5 1/2. also the rule for offensive goaltending is different which takes an adjustment period.

Back in the day amazing leapers were guys who could take off from the foul line and sky to jam it. Today in the NBA, they allow so many steps that if guys start from the foul line, by the time they take their last step they'd be in the 3rd row of seats.

I blame Chris Mullin for the thirty point beatdown. After all, it was the incredible basketball ambassadorship of Dream Team 1, of which Mullin was an integral part, which captured the entire basketball planet. Before those Olympics, in most European countries, basketball was an American game that some native Europeans sometimes played. Of course, this wasn't limited to Europe. It was true in Australia, where Andrew Gaze was an anomaly, in South America, and in the Caribbean also (where Tim Duncan only took up basketball when a Hurricane destroyed the swimming pool he trained in as a competitive swimmer). So blame Chris Mullin, because if it wasn't for Dream Team 1, a very good high school team could have gone over there and whipped some French butt in basketball. Instead, Europe is loaded with serious basketball talent, as also exists all over the world.

Ummmmm, the dream team came about because of the world wide spread in the popularity in basketball. Our college manned Olympic teams were getting beat on and we said enough is enough, Europe is sending their "PROS" so we will too. While this fueled the love for basketball internationally even more there were already many skilled teams and players in the world prior to the dream team beat down. Chris is safe and above recrimination