Daniss Jenkins

Anthony Mattia said:
My issue is that the DJ haters fail to see that had he been parked at the end of the bench not only would we have lost every game we did lose, but probably half, if not more, of the games we won.
Click to expand...

First, hating and constructive criticism are too different animals. Second, even those criticizing DJ knew he had to start, just wanted him to be more of a true PG and selective shooter than what he showed pre-conference play. But if DJ was at the end of the bench that means you'd have 10 guys better than a guy that all believed should start, so that team would have been great. ;)
 
austour said:
First, hating and constructive criticism are too different animals. Second, even those criticizing DJ knew he had to start, just wanted him to be more of a true PG and selective shooter than what he showed pre-conference play. But if DJ was at the end of the bench that means you'd have 10 guys better than a guy that all believed should start, so that team would have been great. ;)
Click to expand...
Not you or many of the "haters" but the most vocal poster about jenkins thought the team ran much better without him on the floor. Still not sure how he thought this as jenkins became the teams most valuable player.
 
austour said:
First, hating and constructive criticism are too different animals. Second, even those criticizing DJ knew he had to start, just wanted him to be more of a true PG and selective shooter than what he showed pre-conference play. But if DJ was at the end of the bench that means you'd have 10 guys better than a guy that all believed should start, so that team would have been great. ;)
Click to expand...
First, it was not constructive criticism when at least one poster repeatedly stated he wanted DJ on the bench and the ball in Dingles' hand as the primary ball handler. Second, wanting him to be more of a true PG is like wanting a true PF. They do not exist anymore as they are from a time gone by. Do the Knicks fans want Brunson to be more of a true PG? No, because your PG has to score in todays game. Pointless to argue this with the DJ detractors (not haters, better?) because you will not ever see it.
 
Anthony Mattia said:
First, it was not constructive criticism when at least one poster repeatedly stated he wanted DJ on the bench and the ball in Dingles' hand as the primary ball handler. Second, wanting him to be more of a true PG is like wanting a true PF. They do not exist anymore as they are from a time gone by. Do the Knicks fans want Brunson to be more of a true PG? No, because your PG has to score in todays game. Pointless to argue this with the DJ detractors (not haters, better?) because you will not ever see it.
Click to expand...
Let’s be fair. Let’s not blame 1 person on on a player criticism. Marillac is in the trenches throwing grenandes full blown tropic thunder. Lawman is watching fro. His high above nest tossing Molotov cocktails. Big difference :)
 
Can we all get a long. He was a good solid player who most of us loved. He is no longer with us so please wish the kid the best and hopefully he can make a career in the nba but most likely European league . Without Jenkins we wouldn't have had this much success . What's next was Felipe Lopez a bust thread lol
 
Anthony Mattia said:
My issue is that the DJ haters fail to see that had he been parked at the end of the bench not only would we have lost every game we did lose, but probably half, if not more, of the games we won.
Click to expand...

He should have been starting or at least the 6th man, but he should not have been on the ball like he was nor should he have been the MVP, LVP, MIP, and LIP all packed into one. He should have been playing the 2 or the 3 -- positions he could actually somewhat defend unlike PG where he was never even close to average. He could have taken 20 shots a game from the wing and attacked off the dribble, passed, pulled up...whatever...and I wouldn't have cared 1/100th as much.

If he never came here and we got another player to pay PG, I think we dance. I 100% believe he held us back. He completely neutered every other perimeter player. He shot when he wanted, he dribbled when he wanted, he passed when he wanted....and that's not winning basketball.

The only argument his fans have is that he played that way out of necessity, but we'll never know because he came out of the gate doing 90% of half court dribbling AND took 12, 13, 18, and 17 shots to start the season on top of that. We were 9-0 when he took less than 10 shots. We were undefeated when played less than 24 minutes. He did next to nothing for us in the open court unless the other team made a mistake. He drew less contact and got less FTs than any other PG I've ever witnessed play in the Big East. Not even his biggest fan can say he was anywhere near average defending the one and that's half the game of basketball.

If you replaced Smith with Jenkins this year, I 100% believe we would be an NIT team again. He is capable for derailing any team under Pitino.

Clayton was the MAAC player of the year with great shooting %s and somehow Jenkins out-shot him with significantly lower %s. How does that happen? How does Clayton only average 16.8 PPG as the conference player of the year shooting 95.3% from the line, 43.4% from 3, and 45.5% from the field at a level he is so clearly WAAAAAY too good for?
 
Marillac2 said:
He should have been starting or at least the 6th man, but he should not have been on the ball like he was nor should he have been the MVP, LVP, MIP, and LIP all packed into one. He should have been playing the 2 or the 3 -- positions he could actually somewhat defend unlike PG where he was never even close to average. He could have taken 20 shots a game from the wing and attacked off the dribble, passed, pulled up...whatever...and I wouldn't have cared 1/100th as much.

If he never came here and we got another player to pay PG, I think we dance. I 100% believe he held us back. He completely neutered every other perimeter player. He shot when he wanted, he dribbled when he wanted, he passed when he wanted....and that's not winning basketball.

The only argument his fans have is that he played that way out of necessity, but we'll never know because he came out of the gate doing 90% of half court dribbling AND took 12, 13, 18, and 17 shots to start the season on top of that. We were 9-0 when he took less than 10 shots. We were undefeated when played less than 24 minutes. He did next to nothing for us in the open court unless the other team made a mistake. He drew less contact and got less FTs than any other PG I've ever witnessed play in the Big East. Not even his biggest fan can say he was anywhere near average defending the one and that's half the game of basketball.

If you replaced Smith with Jenkins this year, I 100% believe we would be an NIT team again. He is capable for derailing any team under Pitino.

Clayton was the MAAC player of the year with great shooting %s and somehow Jenkins out-shot him with significantly lower %s. How does that happen? How does Clayton only average 16.8 PPG as the conference player of the year shooting 95.3% from the line, 43.4% from 3, and 45.5% from the field at a level he is so clearly WAAAAAY too good for?
Click to expand...
So who would you have played pg this season ?
 
mjmaherjr said:
So who would you have played pg this season ?
Click to expand...
No one player. The team was built to be balanced. Alleyne, Taylor, Dingle and, to a lesser degree Ledlum, were guys who were used to giving it up and getting it back. They were used to moving the ball and passing up okay shots for better ones. Jenkins and Luis were the complete opposite, but the thing that made Luis tolerable to me was that he was doing that from the wing and not also dominating the dribbling.

I absolutely loved the way we looked with those four on the court together. We didn't see anywhere near enough of that because Luis was always with that group. I don't know why we didn't see more of that. I also don't know why we never once saw Zuby and Soriano together...not even for a second in a blowout win or loss.

In an ideal world, you can play 3 of that trio of guards above with Jenkins and Jenkins would play nice. But he didn't. That's not his game. At the end of the season, Jenkins would do that in the first half of games and as soon as the game got tight he went right back to his true nature. The scorpion and the frog.
 
Dingle’s ball handling was suspect for a guy his size and his passing was down right atrocious at times, he can’t play PG in the Big East. Wilcher was really raw and I think more was expected from him considering the makeup of the roster but he just wasn’t ready. I thought Jenkins did what he had to do and did a pretty good job too. Team almost made the tournament it wasn’t like they were horrible. Jenkins actually has some tools that could work as a backup in the NBA if he can catch on. Hopefully Soriano can get a shot too at some point although less likely.
 
Dan V said:
Dingle’s ball handling was suspect for a guy his size and his passing was down right atrocious at times, he can’t play PG in the Big East. Wilcher was really raw and I think more was expected from him considering the makeup of the roster but he just wasn’t ready. I thought Jenkins did what he had to do and did a pretty good job too. Team almost made the tournament it wasn’t like they were horrible. Jenkins actually has some tools that could work as a backup in the NBA if he can catch on. Hopefully Soriano can get a shot too at some point although less likely.
Click to expand...
He NEVER got screens from Soriano when Jenkins was on the floor and hardly any when wasn't. Nobody talks about that. That was his game at Penn. He was never given the opportunity to showcase that here. He has a gorgeous highlight tape with that Spinoza kid at Penn doing pick and roll on repeat.

He was never welcomed as a leader here by Jenkins and Soriano. There was a major rift there. Jenkins and Soriano did nothing for him all year.
 
All of the guys you mentioned to handle the ball had similar if not worse turnovers/40 minutes, and that was with DJ, as you say, doing 90% of the half court dribbling. None of those guys had anywhere close enough to a good enough handle for the big east. You say he should have played off the ball for defensive reasons, ok, who should have guarded the opposing pg? Dingle, no way! Taylor, maybe but he couldn't find a way to stay on the court for reasons I don't know. Ledlum, hell no! Alleyne, again, maybe, but I don't believe he was quick enough either. He was the best we had for the position and played his heart out.
 
Anthony Mattia said:
All of the guys you mentioned to handle the ball had similar if not worse turnovers/40 minutes, and that was with DJ, as you say, doing 90% of the half court dribbling. None of those guys had anywhere close enough to a good enough handle for the big east. You say he should have played off the ball for defensive reasons, ok, who should have guarded the opposing pg? Dingle, no way! Taylor, maybe but he couldn't find a way to stay on the court for reasons I don't know. Ledlum, hell no! Alleyne, again, maybe, but I don't believe he was quick enough either. He was the best we had for the position and played his heart out.
Click to expand...
All of the post season talk about Jenkins should end and he was a 2nd Team BE player . He performed well down the stretch .
Let’s accept that RP knows more about BB than any of the Jenkins May sayers .
Rick gave him the ball all year and he carried the team for most of the season .
He scored 27 against UCONN in the BE quarter final and kept us in the game.

It wasn’t just Pitino that liked DJ , but most other BE Coaches as well .
 
The nay sayers are hilariously wrong on the Daniss issue. The kid was second team All Big East. Think about that for a minute. The coaches voted him to that position. Big East Coaches . Pitino loves him. But a few on this board think he was awful, and we should have ran a pg by committee. That all these coaches are wrong The Daniss haters are entitled to believe that. All we ask is that having made known their view , leave it alone. Move on. Continuing to denigrate our players is destructive and sad.
 
Joedib said:
The nay sayers are hilariously wrong on the Daniss issue. The kid was second team All Big East. Think about that for a minute. The coaches voted him to that position. Big East Coaches . Pitino loves him. But a few on this board think he was awful, and we should have ran a pg by committee. That all these coaches are wrong The Daniss haters are entitled to believe that. All we ask is that having made known their view , leave it alone. Move on. Continuing to denigrate our players is destructive and sad.
Click to expand...
I've been hilariously wrong on players before. Case in point: Aaron Wheeler. The difference being A) I admitted when I was wrong, and B) I was glad to be wrong.

Just like you, it astounded me how a few posters continued to stick to their guns and criticize DJ even after it was clear that he was not only our best player, but one of the best players in the conference.
 
monte said:
I've been hilariously wrong on players before. Case in point: Aaron Wheeler. The difference being A) I admitted when I was wrong, and B) I was glad to be wrong.

Just like you, it astounded me how a few posters continued to stick to their guns and criticize DJ even after it was clear that he was not only our best player, but one of the best players in the conference.
Click to expand...
How anyone can say Jenkins wasn't is outright insane. As monte said it perfectly our best player and one of the best in the conference . Yeah maybe it him a game or two to get accustomed to big east play but once he did he was lights out . Probably one of our best point guards in a while
 
njfan said:
How anyone can say Jenkins wasn't is outright insane. As monte said it perfectly our best player and one of the best in the conference . Yeah maybe it him a game or two to get accustomed to big east play but once he did he was lights out . Probably one of our best point guards in a while
Click to expand...
Jenkins was one of my favorite players on the team last year, in part because he was imperfect and worked his a** off to make himself an all-BE player.

Jenkins took a great deal of responsibility early, as the rest of the team was going through growing pains of learning a new system. It probably hurt his overall numbers, but he felt it was necessary.

Even when interviewed, Jenkins was polite, mature, and insightful.

Also, it cannot be stressed enough that Pitino loved the kid. After the coach’s rant in the Seton Hall game post game presser, it was Jenkins who became the voice of reason and calmed everyone’s frayed nerves, including the fans.

He spoke about not taking the criticism to heart, and how Pitino may say these things, but he loves them, has their back, and wants them to succeed.

Sure, he may not make an NBA roster. But he will make money somewhere. But most importantly, he is an exemplary citizen and wonderful member of the SJU family.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top