But was his landing spot impacted by the defender after the game clock ran out?
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No question about it. He's so f'in calculating! lol
Yup, like a Duke player back in the day...Christian Laettner.
Agree as long as we beat UConn and Creighton in MSG.
Thought so too but he is a trooper…9 rebounds…he clears his man out under the boards better than anyone weve had in a while…if he was 6’8” no one would get a rebound against him
Silly Donovan
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If you think that this was a well played game “offensively” by the Johnnie’s then you have not been watching this team much lately. Offensively except for a few moments by our bench, the team took a step back with Jenkins tossing up one bad shot after another, Taylor not taking a shot, Brady missing every shot, Joel outplayed badly etc.
Now if you want to say it was a hard played game with great effort, I’d agree but well played? NO WAY And if you think that you don’t think much of this teams ability.
jimredd517
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Was bang on! Great call.
One more thing to add about Jenkins’ insane volume…
Ponds only missed 12 shots in a game once his final season and he scored 35 points that game. We won over the A-10 regular season champs VCU in OT, he shot 44% from the field, had 7 steals and 7 assists, and shot 12-15 from the FT line. 12 free throws in a game?! Jenkins only has 10 free throws through 6 Big East games.
Dwight Hardy only missed 12 shots in a game twice in his two-year St. John’s career. He shot 9-21 at SH (42.9%) and was 4-6 from the line. He was also 10-23 (43.5%) and 3-3 from the line in the tournament loss to Gonzaga.
Jenkins has missed 12 shots twice already this year. He was 6-18 against North Texas (33.3%) and 5-17 tonight (29.4%). He was also 4-13 against Uconn (30.4%).
Hardy and Ponds earned more shots by making shots their high volume games. Jenkins just takes them whether he’s earned them or not. He was 2-8 against WV and I was going to point that as a game he limited himself, but he only play 22 minutes because he fouled out.
Ponds only missed 12 shots in a game once his final season and he scored 35 points that game. We won over the A-10 regular season champs VCU in OT, he shot 44% from the field, had 7 steals and 7 assists, and shot 12-15 from the FT line. 12 free throws in a game?! Jenkins only has 10 free throws through 6 Big East games.
Dwight Hardy only missed 12 shots in a game twice in his two-year St. John’s career. He shot 9-21 at SH (42.9%) and was 4-6 from the line. He was also 10-23 (43.5%) and 3-3 from the line in the tournament loss to Gonzaga.
Jenkins has missed 12 shots twice already this year. He was 6-18 against North Texas (33.3%) and 5-17 tonight (29.4%). He was also 4-13 against Uconn (30.4%).
Hardy and Ponds earned more shots by making shots their high volume games. Jenkins just takes them whether he’s earned them or not. He was 2-8 against WV and I was going to point that as a game he limited himself, but he only play 22 minutes because he fouled out.
Redenbacher
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I rate this game a 9 out of 10 for us. We didn't win, hence the 9. But we went into a very hostile environment on the road against a ranked team, we were 8 point underdogs and took them literally down to the last second. I'll take it.
Actually, I've watched every regular season game so far. Today, JS was outplayed in the first half but came around in the second. Yes, Jenkins tossed up some questionable shots - something I'm not wild about...he's supposed to be a point guard with a pass first mentality, something I do think he's getting better at - but he also sunk some great ones and made some heads-up passes. As others have posted, if coach has given him the green light and trusts him, who are we to question? CRP has forgotten more about b-ball than you or I will ever know. Brady was playing on what I assume was not a completely healed ankle sprain, which could well have affected his shot. Taylor not taking a shot is another matter. Question is whether he's timid about shooting, trying too hard to fit into the team scheme, or following coach's directions.
Another small thing he does is he’s really the only guy we have that keeps aggressively pivoting when he looses his handle. He doesn’t wait to be trapped like everyone else. That’s been an issue for us all year but he does a lot of little things that add up.
Would have been great if he nailed that three late. He got a really good look on the swing from Jenkins.
I hope everyone realizes that Ponds is just a little better then Jenkins.
Agree overall, but they didn't beat us, we beat ourselves with our careless play. If we played up to our capabilities and lost, I'd feel pretty damn good about the game.
see when Jenkins was shooting down the stretch today I doubt he was thinking “yea I earned these shots”
Based on what I saw, he was probably thinking
“wow the other 4 guys out here wearing red all have shit running down their leg, I guess I need to shoot”
There was no screw up on the technical. He was yelling and motioned to the ref at least twice. Deserved it. Thinks he's fouled on every play. Easy to dislike him.
We only need Jenkins to realize that.
I’ve never seen someone with his career shooting %s play with so much confidence.
He was 4-14 late and he over-dribbled the ball for 25 seconds, didn’t look for anyone, and took a step back three with a man in his face the entire time. And he made it. It was one of the worst basketball plays I’ve ever seen from start to finish. And the kid had not a shred of doubt the entire time.
Our last two possessions, he had no intention of giving the ball up and he had no doubt he was going to make both baskets. He missed them both, but if we had one more possession he was doing the same thing with 100% confidence he was getting carried off the floor.
Silly Donovan
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So with everything you just stated, how do you believe we played a great game? I don’t question Pitino at all but Jenkins was off and no one in particular played a great game offensively.
When you are the point guard and you drive and pass or drive and shoot everything yourself, how can you blame other people for not feeling comfortable, though? His domination of the ball has to be a factor, right?see when Jenkins was shooting down the stretch today I doubt he was thinking “yea I earned these shots”
Based on what I saw, he was probably thinking
“wow the other 4 guys out here wearing red all have shit running down their leg, I guess I need to shoot”
I mean, it’s everyone! He makes the second leading scorer in the nation look timid. Conway was the leading scorer on his team and he looks terrified to even touch the ball this year. Taylor led a PAC-12 team in scoring and is shooting over 43% from three this year and is too scared to take a single bad shot.
If we aren’t running a weave, Jenkins has the ball in his hands 90% of the time he’s on the court.
Have you ever in your life seen so many players scared to make a meaningful basketball move on one team? I can’t tell you one player on Creighton that looked scared today.
It’s bizarre.
I agree but don't believe Jenkins is making them scared. I have no idea what practices are really like or what Pitino tells them before or during games, but I get a sense that other than Jenkins & Soriano everyone is playing a bit scared that Pitino will yank them for one bad play and they don't want to screw up.
We're basically halfway through season and Dingle cannot be happy with his limited ability to show his offense. Guy was talked about with NBA scouts and he's playing scared. Have to wonder if he regrets his decision.
We're basically halfway through season and Dingle cannot be happy with his limited ability to show his offense. Guy was talked about with NBA scouts and he's playing scared. Have to wonder if he regrets his decision.
This was the basketball equivalent of: “If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.” Bill Burr has a funny bit on something similar too.
On the road against a team with more skill and arguably more talent, sometimes you have to make it a mud fight. We’re going to have to win games like this too.