Confidence

[Amaseinyourface]

Having a solid ball handler behind Posh is especially important because his aggressive playing style can lead to some injuries. He's had one pretty traumatic injury during high school and how many hard falls and bumps did he take this season? Felt like a couple times each game you'd hold your breath after he crashed into the floor. We don't talk about it here really because why bring up the possibility of something unpleasant but since the topic of backup PG is being discussed...He's built like a small tank and such a sturdy looking kid that sometimes we overlook that the speed and intensity he plays with also comes with risks.

Pinzon's tape looks like he can really handle and pass. Would love to know if any of you guys who are more familiar with him think being the primary ball handler is a role he can step into if we're in a tough spot.

The passing and distributing is one thing (ok maybe 2) but the primary ball handling is a completely different issue. Would think that as a freshmen he’d still be behind Wusu and Williams in terms of options to bring it up vs pressure. An improved Mggriff changes that discussion a lot, cause if he’s not around then I agree with you and sjufan that an additional ball handler would the primary concern.

 

[lawmanfan]

So:

Nyiwe + Traore + Stanley might or might not be better than Moore + Toro but seem unlikely to be worse.  My guess is worse at the beginning of the season but better by the end. Roberts is the stabilizing force here. 

McGriff + Wusu could be worse, the same or better than Dunn.  My prediction is overall better (sorry Monte).

Posh and Julian are Posh and Julian.  Marcellus, same thing. 

Keys to improvement are what they get from Williams and Pinzon.  I expect both to be significant contributors which upgrades the size, scoring and probably defense.

Another big should be the top priority because one 6'10" brawler is better than a few 6'8" guys, but if course we have to find and sign that guy. 

And we would all be more comfortable with another ball handler.  

But again, I have confidence in the staff to fill the few needs that they have and to continue the player development we have already seen not only with the returning squad but with the newcomers. I don't expect them to bat 1.000, but so far there has been little reason not to trust the plan. 

 

[L J S A]

I am completely confident that Traore and Stanley will give us more than Roberts ever would. Probably more than Nyiwe ever does too. I am pretty confident that if Roberts transferred to a random mid- or low major in the Deep South, he still wouldn't put up good numbers. I'm sure he's a good guy, but we've seen enough to know he won't produce here.

 

[lawmanfan]

Update:  zero change in my position re: confidence that we will be at least as good if not better next season.

Nyiwe, Traore and Stanley will more than replace Moore.
Williams, Wusu and Pinzon will more than replace Cole.
The core will remain intact.
The departures give the staff an opportunity to upgrade at positions of need (center, combo guard).
All will be well.

 

[fuchsia]

Fuchsia posting.  Is the absence of poster's names a glich or a new approach to avoiding blood feuds?  

I watched the whole Nyiwe  tape and liked his footwork and lateral movement (compared to both Moore and Tariq Owens) but don't know if he has the bulk to play the five.  Looks like potentially good stretch four like Owens.

 

[lawmanfan]

It has been clear for awhile that the aftermath of this season was going to be an absolute zoo given the free year/free transfer rules.  There will be dozens if not hundreds of players in the transfer portal, plus grad transfers, JUCOs, etc.  Every school is going to be affected positively, negatively, or both. 

My expectation is that the core (and probably the vast majority) of the SJU roster will remain intact, but there will certainly be at least some turnover for us as there is with every program every year.  You could start with the scheduled departures of Dunn and Toro, the anticipated arrivals of Nyiwe, Pinzon, Traore and Stanley, and the possible departure of Moore.  There could well be additional changes as players evaluate their situations, priorities, and opportunities.

The point of this thread is to make the following point:  Regardless of how things fall out in this unprecedented offseason, I have confidence that Coach Anderson and the staff will return all of their key players, add any necessary replacements, and that when the dust settles SJU will be predicted to finish in the top half of the league next season and make the NCAA tournament. 



 

Felt like it might be appropriate to give this post and thread a bump.

It's a fact that Caraher, Toro and Dunn have departed, and that Moore, Cole, Roberts, McGriff and Greg Williams are in the transfer portal. 

If we disregard Caraher, Toro and McGriff (all of whom hardly played), that a loss of the following:

Minutes = 3,014
3PM = 100
3PA = 281
Pts = 1148 (75% of which was Williams, Cole, Moore and Dunn)
Reb = 481 (almost half of which was Moore and Earlington)
Ast = 214 (almost half of which was Dunn)
Stl = 112 (half Williams and Dunn)

So basically you have 4 players who contributed a per-game average of about:

3.7 threes on 10.4 attempts
42 points
17.8 rebounds
7.9 assists
4.1 steals

We return 3 players (Champagnie, Posh and Wusu) with the following stats:

Minutes = 2,147
3PM = 96
3PA = 284
Pts = 942 (about half of which was Julian)
Reb = 342 (ditto)
Ast = 204 (half Posh)
Stl = 123 (half Posh)

I remain confident that if Julian returns and Wusu makes the progress that I expect from him, then that plus the addition of Pinzon, Traore, Stanley, Smith, and Nyiwe will probably replace the lost production.  And that is without including whatever players the staff brings in to fill the newly-open scholarships.

The unfortunate part of free-transfer world is that we will lose the continuity that most of us hoped would be in place for the beginning of next season.  So it may be another year where we start a little more slowly than we would have liked (although perhaps a more normal offseason and pre-season will help take the sharp edge off of that).

But as my father once told me when my kids were small - it isn't how they start out, it's how they end up.

I remain confident that we will end up just fine when the dust settles.

[attachment=2044]SJU stats 20-21.JPG[/attachment]

 

[paultzman]

It has been clear for awhile that the aftermath of this season was going to be an absolute zoo given the free year/free transfer rules.  There will be dozens if not hundreds of players in the transfer portal, plus grad transfers, JUCOs, etc.  Every school is going to be affected positively, negatively, or both. 

My expectation is that the core (and probably the vast majority) of the SJU roster will remain intact, but there will certainly be at least some turnover for us as there is with every program every year.  You could start with the scheduled departures of Dunn and Toro, the anticipated arrivals of Nyiwe, Pinzon, Traore and Stanley, and the possible departure of Moore.  There could well be additional changes as players evaluate their situations, priorities, and opportunities.

The point of this thread is to make the following point:  Regardless of how things fall out in this unprecedented offseason, I have confidence that Coach Anderson and the staff will return all of their key players, add any necessary replacements, and that when the dust settles SJU will be predicted to finish in the top half of the league next season and make the NCAA tournament. 





 

Felt like it might be appropriate to give this post and thread a bump.

It's a fact that Caraher, Toro and Dunn have departed, and that Moore, Cole, Roberts, McGriff and Greg Williams are in the transfer portal. 

If we disregard Caraher, Toro and McGriff (all of whom hardly played), that a loss of the following:

Minutes = 3,014
3PM = 100
3PA = 281
Pts = 1148 (75% of which was Williams, Cole, Moore and Dunn)
Reb = 481 (almost half of which was Moore and Earlington)
Ast = 214 (almost half of which was Dunn)
Stl = 112 (half Williams and Dunn)

So basically you have 4 players who contributed a per-game average of about:

3.7 threes on 10.4 attempts
42 points
17.8 rebounds
7.9 assists
4.1 steals

We return 3 players (Champagnie, Posh and Wusu) with the following stats:

Minutes = 2,147
3PM = 96
3PA = 284
Pts = 942 (about half of which was Julian)
Reb = 342 (ditto)
Ast = 204 (half Posh)
Stl = 123 (half Posh)

I remain confident that if Julian returns and Wusu makes the progress that I expect from him, then that plus the addition of Pinzon, Traore, Stanley, Smith, and Nyiwe will probably replace the lost production.  And that is without including whatever players the staff brings in to fill the newly-open scholarships.

The unfortunate part of free-transfer world is that we will lose the continuity that most of us hoped would be in place for the beginning of next season.  So it may be another year where we start a little more slowly than we would have liked (although perhaps a more normal offseason and pre-season will help take the sharp edge off of that).

But as my father once told me when my kids were small - it isn't how they start out, it's how they end up.

I remain confident that we will end up just fine when the dust settles.

[attachment=2044]SJU stats 20-21.JPG[/attachment]

My often expressed confidence in staff will be bolstered if they come through with quality transfers/recruits to actually upgrade roster. I do expect staff to deliver in what I see as a window of opportunity next season, assuming Julian returns. If not, the buck stops at Mike’s desk.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Lawman good post but these stats:

”3.7 threes on 10.4 attempts
42 points
17.8 rebounds
7.9 assists
4.1 steals”

are nothing to sneeze at. 40 % from 3 on ten attempts? 42 points? Every single one of those are nice totals for a group of players that don’t include your top 2. I have plenty of faith we will fill out the roster, not as much faith that it’s a good thing to have an empty deck allowing us to do so. 

 

[prjohnnies]

Look, I hate losing both Greg and Earlington.  They both were on my imaginary roster for next year a contributors, and I think if Williams could stay healthy he had the ability to make a pretty significant leap.  I also was pleasantly hoping for more continuity from a group that had a nice season, got plenty of accolades and attention from the press, and was poised to potentially make a nice leap next year.

All that said, before anyone goes off the deep end let it play out to see who we bring in as replacements.  That is the staff's job.

 

[MakingPlays]

It has been clear for awhile that the aftermath of this season was going to be an absolute zoo given the free year/free transfer rules.  There will be dozens if not hundreds of players in the transfer portal, plus grad transfers, JUCOs, etc.  Every school is going to be affected positively, negatively, or both. 

My expectation is that the core (and probably the vast majority) of the SJU roster will remain intact, but there will certainly be at least some turnover for us as there is with every program every year.  You could start with the scheduled departures of Dunn and Toro, the anticipated arrivals of Nyiwe, Pinzon, Traore and Stanley, and the possible departure of Moore.  There could well be additional changes as players evaluate their situations, priorities, and opportunities.

The point of this thread is to make the following point:  Regardless of how things fall out in this unprecedented offseason, I have confidence that Coach Anderson and the staff will return all of their key players, add any necessary replacements, and that when the dust settles SJU will be predicted to finish in the top half of the league next season and make the NCAA tournament. 





 

Felt like it might be appropriate to give this post and thread a bump.

It's a fact that Caraher, Toro and Dunn have departed, and that Moore, Cole, Roberts, McGriff and Greg Williams are in the transfer portal. 

If we disregard Caraher, Toro and McGriff (all of whom hardly played), that a loss of the following:

Minutes = 3,014
3PM = 100
3PA = 281
Pts = 1148 (75% of which was Williams, Cole, Moore and Dunn)
Reb = 481 (almost half of which was Moore and Earlington)
Ast = 214 (almost half of which was Dunn)
Stl = 112 (half Williams and Dunn)

So basically you have 4 players who contributed a per-game average of about:

3.7 threes on 10.4 attempts
42 points
17.8 rebounds
7.9 assists
4.1 steals

We return 3 players (Champagnie, Posh and Wusu) with the following stats:

Minutes = 2,147
3PM = 96
3PA = 284
Pts = 942 (about half of which was Julian)
Reb = 342 (ditto)
Ast = 204 (half Posh)
Stl = 123 (half Posh)

I remain confident that if Julian returns and Wusu makes the progress that I expect from him, then that plus the addition of Pinzon, Traore, Stanley, Smith, and Nyiwe will probably replace the lost production.  And that is without including whatever players the staff brings in to fill the newly-open scholarships.

The unfortunate part of free-transfer world is that we will lose the continuity that most of us hoped would be in place for the beginning of next season.  So it may be another year where we start a little more slowly than we would have liked (although perhaps a more normal offseason and pre-season will help take the sharp edge off of that).

But as my father once told me when my kids were small - it isn't how they start out, it's how they end up.

I remain confident that we will end up just fine when the dust settles.

[attachment=2044]SJU stats 20-21.JPG[/attachment]

My often expressed confidence in staff will be bolstered if they come through with quality transfers/recruits to actually upgrade roster. I do expect staff to deliver in what I see as a window of opportunity next season, assuming Julius returns. If not, the buck stops at Mike’s desk.

Great post.  Julian and Posh are the key pieces that the season is really depending on, what they bring can't be replaced, Wusu size at the guard position and his potential growth can't be replaced either.  With Williams and Earlington, those losses hurt, however those guys are pretty much are what they are at this point you can find someone to replace what each of those brought on the transfer market.  Both struggled with consistency.  

It would have been nice to have a core of 5-7 guys returning, CMA's teams are always best with guys that have been in the system a while, but looking on the bright side with an expectancy of 1,500 in the transfer portal, they should get their fair share of quality transfers to replace what they lost.

 

[lawmanfan]

Lawman good post but these stats:

”3.7 threes on 10.4 attempts
42 points
17.8 rebounds
7.9 assists
4.1 steals”

are nothing to sneeze at. 40 % from 3 on ten attempts? 42 points? Every single one of those are nice totals for a group of players that don’t include your top 2. I have plenty of faith we will fill out the roster, not as much faith that it’s a good thing to have an empty deck allowing us to do so. 
 

You're absolutely right.  On the other hand, a fair percentage of the points, assists and steals came from Dunn, and he was leaving anyway.  That's the deal with college basketball players - they leave sooner or later, and you have to keep feeding the pipeline to replace them.

Moore, Dunn, Williams and Earlington gave you valuable minutes and production.  Roberts and Cole, less so.  But if you look at the per-game stats, they are stats that can be replaced by a good shooting guard, a competent big man, development of Wusu, and the three freshmen if the staff got it right with them.

No question it depends on the staff bringing in players who can replace the lost production.  I just think that folks are looking too hard at the exit door and forgetting that there's an entrance door as well. 

If we don't land players to replace the lost production, then I will have been wrong and I'll own that.  But I think this staff will hold their own just fine in the transfer market.

 

[IDRAFT]

The unanswered question is who comes in? We now know (hopefully) all of whom is going out. I would feel a lot more confident if this staff had a transfer in better than Toro out of the 800 options in the portal last year. While the guy who left was LJ. Give me that trade back and I sure think SJU is in the tournament in the year that just passed. The year before I don't know exactly the numbers in the portal but a new coach who had playing time to give was only able to obtain Nick Rutherford in the immediately eligible transfer market. Nick gave it his all but there was a reason he couldn't start for Monmouth.

And now so far, and it's real early, but CMA was very comfortable using a ship on Smith - who is not an upgrade on many of the guys lost. There is a difference between the AE and the BE and just expecting Smith to produce at SJU as if it's year five playing the mighty Binghamton Bearcats is fools good. Not saying he can't help a BE team at all.  But the idea he is an upgrade over Greg is a wildly optimistic take.

Hey, bring in Cisse, Richmond, guys like that and the roster will be improved. It's nice to hope for that, but is it really jumping off the ledge to think that is not happening? There is no evidence from the last two years that it will.

I'm not seeing it but hopefully I'm wrong and I don't own any rose colored glasses either so that doesn't help.

 

[Knight]

GWIII and Duke to Iona?

 

[terrificboss]

That's interesting I think Pitino may be aiming higher.....we will see

 

[billthetruth]

That's interesting I think Pitino may be aiming higher.....we will see

And we as a Big east program should be too

 

[billthetruth]

For the better part of the last decade he have gotten manhandled by Seton Hall and Providence. Yet we are losing below Big East level players for the most part and the sky is falling. I just don't get it. 

 

[MainMan]

We have two returning players right now: Posh and Dylan. 

Not ideal.

 

 

[fordham96]

We have two returning players right now: Posh and Dylan. 

That is not a good situation to be in. 


 

 

[bamafan]

For the better part of the last decade he have gotten manhandled by Seton Hall and Providence. Yet we are losing below Big East level players for the most part and the sky is falling. I just don't get it. 


 

Beat SH once third game went to OT, beat Providence twice with the help of a lot of guys we are losing. They weren't world beaters by any means but you damn well better replace all these guys with equal or better talent.

 

[RedStormNC]

Can we please refrain from writing off Champagnie just yet? He hasn't left or gotten drafted.