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QueensBall
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Agree 100%. Very happy to have him and Stanley and Drissa. Hopefully one (or more) will continue the trend of new guys surprising and being able to contribute right away but no matter what happens the staff needs to bring in an interior player who is a proven commodity. Doesn't need to be the biggest name but need to have high level of confidence about what they're getting.monte post=426378 said:
Having never seen him play in person, there's absolutely no way for me to say that he is or that he isn't a 25min a game BE center.
But based on what I've seen of Roberts, I know he isn't a 25min a game BE center.
I'd like to add a true 5 as much as anyone, but having 4 very different players (Nywie, Roberts, Traore and Stanley) that can give you varying minutes at the 5 against different opponents, means a true 5 isn't as huge a need as it has been in the past for us.
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Sjufan2 your last point is what I've been saying. We have plenty of interior players but non of them are a stand alone 5 man. And we can win that way but if that is the route we do go, I don't think loosing Moore and bringing in those 3, really puts us in much better of a position to guard the 5 than we were the last year. We can win that way but other teams will do their best to beat us up inside.
Amaseinyourface post=426392 said:
Fair enough but I think you are discounting Nyiwie without having seen him.
I think if you bring in another big, then Roberts likely bolts for more PT elsewhere.
Think of the roster construction:
PG - Posh, McGriff
SG - Williams, Wusu, Ponson
SF - Julian, Cole(?)
PF/C - Earlington, Nyiwie, Roberts, Traore, Stanley
What happens to that team if Posh misses any time next year? If its me, I'm looking for a combo guard that can shoot and play d before I'm looking for a true 5. And I'd take Justin C over any rotational 5 if he become avilable.
We have one roster spot right now. I'd be focused on a scoring combo guard for that spot.
If another opens up, I'm looking to pair the twins up for a year, but if that dosn't materialize I'm looking for a wing scorer.
If a 3rd opens up, I'd be looking for a 5.
SJUFAN2 post=426396 said:
First, I have complete confidence that when the dust settles the roster will be competitive.
Second, if Posh misses time then you will be happy to have McGriff, plus Williams, Wusu, and reportedly Pinzon are all capable of handling the ball some.
Third, you will have plenty of wing scoring with Julian, Greg, Pinzon and Wusu.
Fourth, Mase is 100% correct about the frontcourt - it is more or less the same as this year, which means that the team will struggle to compete on the boards, defend opposing big men, and get to the rim against bigs. The absolute #1 need is for a no-doubt-about 5 man. At a minimum somebody who can defend the post one-on-one, clear space, grab rebounds, and get putbacks. If we can get a player with more of an offensive game than that, great.
Fifth, I wouldn't worry about losing Josh he's going to get some minutes and he is by all appearances fully committed to the program.
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SJUFAN2 post=426396 said:
- If anyone decides to leave because theyre worried about losing minutes inside than I think we’ll be better for it. That’s me trying to be as vague as possible to please lawmanfan but you know who I’m talking about. And I hope he doesn't leave but if it were for playing time? Well.
- agree 1000% Justin Champ over anyone else regardless of position.
- I started this whole thing off by saying “if we don’t lose Mggriff”. Ball handling situation would change a lot if something happened there.
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Not sure how you figure next years front court is the same as this years, but to each his own.lawmanfan post=426397 said:
This year's FC are all returning at this point, with the exception of Moore and Toro. And next years FC includes Nyiwie, Traore and Stanley. All three are 6'8 or taller (reportedly). Unless you think Moore and Torro were better than the 3 guys coming in.
SJUFAN2 post=426416 said:
You’ve pointed out several times you don’t know what to expect from Nyiwe, then why expect the freshmen and him to be better than Moore and Toro?
Moore’s conference per 40 numbers - 22 / 11 66% from 2.
Earlington 15 / 10. Roberts 9 & 9.
I’m excited for all 3 of them. But again I don’t think any one of them is going to give us offensively what Moore gave us, and defensively I don’t see any of them as a control the paint type center. I doubt there will be any time where we see 2 of those 3 new bigs on the court together. So your 5 spot went from being Roberts/Moore/Toro with some ME to Roberts/Nyiwe/Stanley/Traore, the latter 3 all first year guys. Like I said I won’t be scared we can’t compete but if that’s what we enter the season with I won’t consider it an upgrade.
Toro's 1.2 ppg and 1.8 rbpg can be replaced by starting McGriff at C. I'd imagine 3 guys we are bringing in as 4/5's can do a bit better.
Yes, Moore is a loss offensively. But 9ppg isn't a huge number to make up. Combined, Toro and Moore gave us 10.4ppg and 6.6 boards. Based on this staff's ability to identify and coach up talent, I'm pretty confident that we can get that and more from Nyiwie, Traore and Stanley. As for Earlington and Roberts, they are still here so they really aren't part of the debate. Besides, we weren't debating whether or not the 3 new guys can replace Moore and Toro, we were debating the need to bring in a starting caliber 5 before anything else.
If you think those three can't combine to provide more than the 10.4 ppg and 6.6 boards Moore and Toro provided then why would you be excited about any of them, let alone all three?
All I'm saying is that last year we had 3 guys 6'8 or taller. Next year we have 4. To me, that makes a starting 5 less important than a back up PG who can score the rock. Love McGriff and what he represents, but if he has to start at PG for 3 or 4 weeks, that is going to be a huge problem. In my eyes you can't ever have enough guys who can handle, shoot and dish. After all, college hoops is a guard league.
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These quotes are long so I'm sorry.
- Toros poor numbers if anything should be the reason we don't get overly excited about these 3 guys right off the bat. He had some success as the D1 level before this last year. And look what that amounted to. So while the mggriff joke was funnyish we both know it says more about the ability to find capable bigs than how easy it is to produce inside in the BE.
- I'm excited about all 3 because 2 of them are freshmen bigs who I think will
be good to really good players down the line, but not necessarily fix our center needs as freshmen. That means I can't be excited about them? Nyiwe is a wildcard for me. CMA felt confident taking him mid year so I gotta believe he can help. Anything we get from him his career I will look at as a bonus, but from his build and his tape he's not the inside presence we lack. Again I'm talking about improvements over this past season. What on an individual level do any of the three new guys provide better than Moore?
- "Besides, we weren't debating whether or not the 3 new guys can replace Moore and Toro, we were debating the need to bring in a starting caliber 5 before anything else." - No I started it off by saying If Mggriff returns.
- Repeat: we can be successful with the front court as stands, but it's still gonna be our opponents focus. I don't look at Stanley/Traore/Nyiwe as a sure fire upgrade over Moore and Toro. Idk how you could.
These quotes are long so I'm sorry.
- Toros poor numbers if anything should be the reason we don't get overly excited about these 3 guys right off the bat. He had some success as the D1 level before this last year. And look what that amounted to. So while the mggriff joke was funnyish we both know it says more about the ability to find capable bigs than how easy it is to produce inside in the BE.
- I'm excited about all 3 because 2 of them are freshmen bigs who I think will
be good to really good players down the line, but not necessarily fix our center needs as freshmen. That means I can't be excited about them? Nyiwe is a wildcard for me. CMA felt confident taking him mid year so I gotta believe he can help. Anything we get from him his career I will look at as a bonus, but from his build and his tape he's not the inside presence we lack. Again I'm talking about improvements over this past season. What on an individual level do any of the three new guys provide better than Moore?
- "Besides, we weren't debating whether or not the 3 new guys can replace Moore and Toro, we were debating the need to bring in a starting caliber 5 before anything else." - No I started it off by saying If Mggriff returns.
- Repeat: we can be successful with the front court as stands, but it's still gonna be our opponents focus. I don't look at Stanley/Traore/Nyiwe as a sure fire upgrade over Moore and Toro. Idk how you could.
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QueensBall
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Having a solid ball handler behind Posh is especially important because his aggressive playing style can lead to some injuries. He's had one pretty traumatic injury during high school and how many hard falls and bumps did he take this season? Felt like a couple times each game you'd hold your breath after he crashed into the floor. We don't talk about it here really because why bring up the possibility of something unpleasant but since the topic of backup PG is being discussed...He's built like a small tank and such a sturdy looking kid that sometimes we overlook that the speed and intensity he plays with also comes with risks.
Pinzon's tape looks like he can really handle and pass. Would love to know if any of you guys who are more familiar with him think being the primary ball handler is a role he can step into if we're in a tough spot.
Pinzon's tape looks like he can really handle and pass. Would love to know if any of you guys who are more familiar with him think being the primary ball handler is a role he can step into if we're in a tough spot.