Coaching Decision Poll

[southernjohnny2]

Just as an aside.. this is off topic.. My opinion.. I would have thought Lavin could have thrown a bouquet to Polee in his press conference . It would have been a classy thing to do..And, was surprised he made no mention.

Polee almost single handed broke our back in the game Friday night.. Especially, with the health issues Polee experienced this season and came back from.

Dwayne was his first major recruit and while he left, I thought Polee would have been an asset to SJU as a 4 year player. I do not know what happened but, was he pushed out of the Program for Jakarr and Moe? Might that have been a miscalculation by Steve? Especially, since Jakarr did not qualify to play that year...

A lot of guys left, did not qualify or transferred in lavin's time here.

Polee? He deserved some praise as a opposing player who played well against us.

Just a thought.

Do you know how many kids have transferred from NC state since Mark took over as coach? More than we had leave, and look what they did to Nova! You are reaching

I don't think I am but, your entitled to express a differing view. Lavin promotes a touchy , feely type atmosphere that I think he likes to portray in public.. Polee, I think deserved a little accolade from Steve.

That was the main point I tried to make. NC State isn't my concern or interest.

A few years ago the Wear twins and Larry Drew transferred to Ucla, they were from Cali, do you think UNC fans wanted to see Roy Williams give praise to them? Polee went back home and I wouldn't want my coach heaping praise on a kid that left

Instead he put some of the blame on kids that left

Of course he ripped Drew, and his dad! Roy doesn't play with being pressured. I am just giving examples to all the drivel reasons posters are using to fire Lavin by using very elite programs. I remember between Championships fans were calling for Roy to be removed. He ripped the fans and ran reporters out of jobs, then won another championship!

 

[SJUalum98]

Our coach beat the only team left in the tournament from the BIG EAST twice this season. He is a lot better than many posters give him credit for. Is he the best, NO. Has he brought our program back from quiet repose, YES. Were we in the national dialogue before he arrived, NO. Are in national discussion now, Yes. Oh and I voted to bring him back.

You are content with waiting every 4 years for national discussion.

Because guess what, we won't be next year.

Yes we will.

Because of what?

I'll wait.

 

[simplyred]

Our coach beat the only team left in the tournament from the BIG EAST twice this season. He is a lot better than many posters give him credit for. Is he the best, NO. Has he brought our program back from quiet repose, YES. Were we in the national dialogue before he arrived, NO. Are in national discussion now, Yes. Oh and I voted to bring him back.

You are content with waiting every 4 years for national discussion.

Because guess what, we won't be next year.

Yes we will.

Because of what?

I'll wait.

Because my prediction is as meaningless as yours.

 

[rawdognyc]

Him and the team were just bawling their eyes out in the locker room before heading to the presser... You really think Polee was on his mind when he sat down at the dais? You people are bat crap crazy on here.. Honestly

Garret, Jakarr and Harkless were on his mind. He even mentioned Malik Boothe

What context did he mention them in? What question was posed to him when he mentioned them?

 

[TonyinFairfield]

I'm shocked at how many people have such low expectations for the program. Or how many people see "20 wins" and no farther.

Exactly, going to the NCAA Tourny once every four years is just fine with most SJU I guess, being the youngest team in year six is just fine with them also.
With that mentality we'll be with the former nyc great schools (Fordham, NYU.....), just a nobody.

Just sad that this is ok in the minds of most sju fans.

You are just flat out dead wrong. Just because I do not want to make a coaching change does not mean I am satisfied with making the tourney every four years, being the youngest team every six years or sinking to the level of a Fordham and an NYU. You, and the other Lavin haters, just continue to spout this BS. You continue to spout this propaganda so much that you have started believing your own garbage.

I want this program to get back to what it once was as much as you do. I'm just not convinced that changing coaches, especially with who's available, is the answer. If there is a coaching change, not you, nor anyone else, can guarantee that it will get better.

 

[redfan259999888]

Our coach beat the only team left in the tournament from the BIG EAST twice this season. He is a lot better than many posters give him credit for. Is he the best, NO. Has he brought our program back from quiet repose, YES. Were we in the national dialogue before he arrived, NO. Are in national discussion now, Yes. Oh and I voted to bring him back.

You are content with waiting every 4 years for national discussion.

Because guess what, we won't be next year.

Yes we will.

Yo Simply, give me some of that good stuff that you're taking. You're comment had me rolling.

 

[simplyred]

Our coach beat the only team left in the tournament from the BIG EAST twice this season. He is a lot better than many posters give him credit for. Is he the best, NO. Has he brought our program back from quiet repose, YES. Were we in the national dialogue before he arrived, NO. Are in national discussion now, Yes. Oh and I voted to bring him back.

You are content with waiting every 4 years for national discussion.

Because guess what, we won't be next year.

Yes we will.

Yo Simply, give me some of that good stuff that you're taking. You're comment had me rolling.

Making predictions about the future is easy.

 

[ZanMan]

Like him or not, we have improved under his leadership, just not even close to the speed and level that we all hoped for.

So, by your own admission, he hasn't done what you wanted him to. But, because he's better than Norm we should extend his contract?

It has been way slower than what I hoped for, but I still see improvement.

I don't want to keep him because he's way better than Norm, I want to keep him because I fear they will hire someone who won't be better than Lavin.

As stated before, unless they have a proven guy who 90% of us would agree on already lined up, they should extend him and see where we are in 2 or 3 years.

LOW BUYOUT is key in case things get worse.

 

[southernjohnny2]

I'm shocked at how many people have such low expectations for the program. Or how many people see "20 wins" and no farther.

Exactly, going to the NCAA Tourny once every four years is just fine with most SJU I guess, being the youngest team in year six is just fine with them also.
With that mentality we'll be with the former nyc great schools (Fordham, NYU.....), just a nobody.

Just sad that this is ok in the minds of most sju fans.

You are just flat out dead wrong. Just because I do not want to make a coaching change does not mean I am satisfied with making the tourney every four years, being the youngest team every six years or sinking to the level of a Fordham and an NYU. You, and the other Lavin haters, just continue to spout this BS. You continue to spout this propaganda so much that you have started believing your own garbage.

I want this program to get back to what it once was as much as you do. I'm just not convinced that changing coaches, especially with who's available, is the answer. If there is a coaching change, not you, nor anyone else, can guarantee that it will get better.

This is what confuses me, exactly where were we? Louie was 17-20 in ncaa's with one final 4 in a very long coaching career, and I loved Louie! We had success recruiting with Fran, and Jarvis won with those kids, then he wrexked the program so I don't want to go back there. Mahoney I don't want to go there either, Norm no thanks, so I don't know where people want to go back to. When we were good we had stipends to give local studs. Those days are gone. None of the coaches named that are young have done anything to deserve this job! I don't want to go back to anything! I want to win or compete for a championship, and until someone comes up with a proven winner that ain't happening. Don't forget Donovan doesn't pay income tax in florida, he ain't coming. Big time programs have huge donors, and fan bases which we don't have, or atleast they aren't giving loans that don't have to be paid back to our kids families like say other schools do! You negative people want to blame the coach, before you do that you should know how the game works. Some programs have resources that rival NBA teams

 

[STJ11Redmen]

Lavin's gotta go. We've seen what he is capable of and it's just not worth the trouble. Bring in a young gun and see if we can get lucky.

 

[Jack Williams]

I'm just tired of seeing bad basketball. I've been watching college basketball non stop for the last four days, and the teams that remain all have a set offense and multiple plays run throughout the game. Some of those plays NC State ran when the game was on the line were awesome. More awesome to me because i haven't seen any plays like that over the last few years at SJU.

My plan? Get a good X's and O's coach and hire monte as an assistant to recruit NY players to SJU

 

[TonyinFairfield]

Lavin's gotta go. We've seen what he is capable of and it's just not worth the trouble. Bring in a young gun and see if we can get lucky.

I'm not as adamant that Lavin's "gotta go." I think what makes this decision so hard is that there is a good chance, IMHO, that making a coaching change now might result in a worse outcome for us. It's all conjecture. Nobody can guarantee anything. The question is: Is it worth taking a chance on a new coach now? Personally, I don't think so.

 

[OLV72]

I'm shocked at how many people have such low expectations for the program. Or how many people see "20 wins" and no farther.

We see the risk involved in replacing coaching staffs. We saw what SHU did when they were not satisfied with just making the dance. Two coaches later they have two NIT's in nine seasons. That's what their two "up and coming coaches" have produced - in addition to more off the court trouble than this program has ever had.

We also know that coaches do not bang down the door to come here. In the two previous searches it was becoming an embarrassment. In the last search NY talk radio picked this up and spoke loudly questioning why anyone would consider a "small school in Queens" as our former coach incorrectly referred to SJU.

Why are you so confident that five years later it will be any different?

I have little confidence that Miller or either Hurley would take this job over the many others that will be coming their way. I am not even confident that if they landed this job they would succeed.

Next year is a down year. Wright has had a losing season while retooling. The year after we should be back in good shape in the top half of the league again.

Extend him - load it with incentives and hopefully a buy out that the school can afford.

 

[SJUalum98]

Our coach beat the only team left in the tournament from the BIG EAST twice this season. He is a lot better than many posters give him credit for. Is he the best, NO. Has he brought our program back from quiet repose, YES. Were we in the national dialogue before he arrived, NO. Are in national discussion now, Yes. Oh and I voted to bring him back.

You are content with waiting every 4 years for national discussion.

Because guess what, we won't be next year.

Yes we will.

Because of what?

I'll wait.

Because my prediction is as meaningless as yours.

And your hopes are as high as Chris Obekpa before a piss test.
Or maybe your hopes are higher than Keith Thomas' grades.

But I guess those are meaningless too.

 

[STJ11Redmen]

Lavin's gotta go. We've seen what he is capable of and it's just not worth the trouble. Bring in a young gun and see if we can get lucky.

I'm not as adamant that Lavin's "gotta go." I think what makes this decision so hard is that there is a good chance, IMHO, that making a coaching change now might result in a worse outcome for us. It's all conjecture. Nobody can guarantee anything. The question is: Is it worth taking a chance on a new coach now? Personally, I don't think so.

Think of it this way. Renew Lavin now and the way it looks with Sheed and Obekpa most likely gone, we are at best 3 years away from another tournament. With the current talk about Lavin imagine how bad it will get after at least 2 losing/NIT seasons. It will be absolutely miserable to be a fan of this program. Get someone fresh in there and see what they can do.

 

[southernjohnny2]

Lavin's gotta go. We've seen what he is capable of and it's just not worth the trouble. Bring in a young gun and see if we can get lucky.

So we should gamble with the future of the program with Hurley, which one the Suny brother or RI brother who haven't recruited a top 50 kid or won anything to brag about! Or Archie Miller who would never come here, he may go to IU if it opens up. Cluess who I can't believe we are talking about. The Witchita state coach who is from SC and has no NYC connections and would never come here, who are you referring to? Yeah back to the Hurley brothers, we owe them for all those studs dad sent us, or because Coach K wouldn't give him a job, nor get him one. Boy his resume would of been great as a Duke ass coach, then K could of done like he did with other ass coaches get them a job

 

[TonyinFairfield]

Lavin's gotta go. We've seen what he is capable of and it's just not worth the trouble. Bring in a young gun and see if we can get lucky.

I'm not as adamant that Lavin's "gotta go." I think what makes this decision so hard is that there is a good chance, IMHO, that making a coaching change now might result in a worse outcome for us. It's all conjecture. Nobody can guarantee anything. The question is: Is it worth taking a chance on a new coach now? Personally, I don't think so.

Think of it this way. Renew Lavin now and the way it looks with Sheed and Obekpa most likely gone, we are at best 3 years away from another tournament. With the current talk about Lavin imagine how bad it will get after at least 2 losing/NIT seasons. It will be absolutely miserable to be a fan of this program. Get someone fresh in there and see what they can do.

I hear what you're saying, and I respect it. But, it's still a huge chance bringing in a new guy. Plus, you're assuming 2 losing/NIT seasons. Not sure I'm buying that. We bring in a fresh face who does absolutely nothing, and we are set back even further.

 

[redfan259999888]

I'm shocked at how many people have such low expectations for the program. Or how many people see "20 wins" and no farther.

Exactly, going to the NCAA Tourny once every four years is just fine with most SJU I guess, being the youngest team in year six is just fine with them also.
With that mentality we'll be with the former nyc great schools (Fordham, NYU.....), just a nobody.

Just sad that this is ok in the minds of most sju fans.

You are just flat out dead wrong. Just because I do not want to make a coaching change does not mean I am satisfied with making the tourney every four years, being the youngest team every six years or sinking to the level of a Fordham and an NYU. You, and the other Lavin haters, just continue to spout this BS. You continue to spout this propaganda so much that you have started believing your own garbage.

I want this program to get back to what it once was as much as you do. I'm just not convinced that changing coaches, especially with who's available, is the answer. If there is a coaching change, not you, nor anyone else, can guarantee that it will get better.

So we're gonna get back to where we should be by being the youngest team once again in his sixth year??? Tell me something Tony, if this idiot knew wtf he was doing, then how is it possible again to be the youngest team once again 4yrs after he was coach of the youngest team in the country (@ SJU). That not acceptable, whether you or others want to think so or not.
What happened to the recruiting last year? We heard nothing from him or staff until April then he goes out and gets Adonis and Keith, but either has played a single damn minute the whole year.
So now that we got 1 4star and 2 3 stars, it's clap clap clap lets extend him?
Lets look at his postseason at SJU with his recruits.
0-4 in the B.E Tourny, 0-1 in the NCAA, 1-2 in the NIT.

Oh hell yeah that's some real bang bup job there Lavin, @ sju you deserve a lifetime contract for that great job. Let sju do whatever they want, most sju here would be happy anyway so who cares.

 

[lawmanfan]

I'm shocked at how many people have such low expectations for the program. Or how many people see "20 wins" and no farther.

We see the risk involved in replacing coaching staffs. We saw what SHU did when they were not satisfied with just making the dance. Two coaches later they have two NIT's in nine seasons. That's what their two "up and coming coaches" have produced - in addition to more off the court trouble than this program has ever had.

We also know that coaches do not bang down the door to come here. In the two previous searches it was becoming an embarrassment. In the last search NY talk radio picked this up and spoke loudly questioning why anyone would consider a "small school in Queens" as our former coach incorrectly referred to SJU.

Why are you so confident that five years later it will be any different?

I have little confidence that Miller or either Hurley would take this job over the many others that will be coming their way. I am not even confident that if they landed this job they would succeed.

Next year is a down year. Wright has had a losing season while retooling. The year after we should be back in good shape in the top half of the league again.

Extend him - load it with incentives and hopefully a buy out that the school can afford.

See Jack Williams post above, which is a partial answer to your question.

Lavin's teams play awful basketball. He is a terrible tactician, which is exacerbated by his inability to make in-game adjustments and his mind boggling substitution patterns. This year he avoided the latter problem by constructing a team with no subs -or at least none he chose to use.

His vaunted recruiting had consisted of two one-and-dones who are now marginal NBA players, a dozen players who were ineligible, transferred, etc, and zero program building. We will be starting next year with Alibegovic, Delarosa, and Balamou. Oh, and Christian Jones. Good luck with that.

Even if by some stroke of "luck" the two head cases who have remaining eligibility return, it will only be because they didn't have any better options. And it will still put the team in the bottom half of the league next year.

I can't imagine more haphazard, disorganized, unintelligent approach to constructing a Division 1 basketball program.

I can only imagine that those who want Lavin to return are either undisturbed by the terrible product Lavin has put on the floor for the past 5 years (and they should watch some of the tournament to see how real basketball is played, there is a lot of it to see) or are still using the Norm years as their barometer, which in my opinion is misguided.

 

[redfan259999888]

Lavin's gotta go. We've seen what he is capable of and it's just not worth the trouble. Bring in a young gun and see if we can get lucky.

I'm not as adamant that Lavin's "gotta go." I think what makes this decision so hard is that there is a good chance, IMHO, that making a coaching change now might result in a worse outcome for us. It's all conjecture. Nobody can guarantee anything. The question is: Is it worth taking a chance on a new coach now? Personally, I don't think so.

Think of it this way. Renew Lavin now and the way it looks with Sheed and Obekpa most likely gone, we are at best 3 years away from another tournament. With the current talk about Lavin imagine how bad it will get after at least 2 losing/NIT seasons. It will be absolutely miserable to be a fan of this program. Get someone fresh in there and see what they can do.

I hear what you're saying, and I respect it. But, it's still a huge chance bringing in a new guy. Plus, you're assuming 2 losing/NIT seasons. Not sure I'm buying that. We bring in a fresh face who does absolutely nothing, and we are set back even further.

Life is about chances isn't it, you can't be scared and just accept avg all of your life