Coaching Decision Poll

[Class of 72]

I'm shocked at how many people have such low expectations for the program. Or how many people see "20 wins" and no farther.

I am sure it's not the first time you have been shocked by a verdict.
FYI, the poll was about retaining coach not about expectations. The 20 wins every year? Sign me up.
No farther?
Paging Jay Wright.

 

[southernjohnny2]

Lavin's gotta go. We've seen what he is capable of and it's just not worth the trouble. Bring in a young gun and see if we can get lucky.

I'm not as adamant that Lavin's "gotta go." I think what makes this decision so hard is that there is a good chance, IMHO, that making a coaching change now might result in a worse outcome for us. It's all conjecture. Nobody can guarantee anything. The question is: Is it worth taking a chance on a new coach now? Personally, I don't think so.

Think of it this way. Renew Lavin now and the way it looks with Sheed and Obekpa most likely gone, we are at best 3 years away from another tournament. With the current talk about Lavin imagine how bad it will get after at least 2 losing/NIT seasons. It will be absolutely miserable to be a fan of this program. Get someone fresh in there and see what they can do.

I hear what you're saying, and I respect it. But, it's still a huge chance bringing in a new guy. Plus, you're assuming 2 losing/NIT seasons. Not sure I'm buying that. We bring in a fresh face who does absolutely nothing, and we are set back even further.

Life is about chances isn't it, you can't be scared and just accept avg all of your life

Life is all about chances huh? So Lavin took chances to build a monster program and some of them didn't work out, and you want to punish him by taking a bigger chance? Think about it. He took chances to land studs missed on some, some had issues, and now you want to take a much bigger chance with whom?

 

[frank61]

I find it amusing that we all have opinions about the disposition of the coach, some folks with stronger feelings than others. What do the seniors who spent 4 years with him fighting hand to hand combat against our opposition think of said coach? D'Lo who most on the board said grew up in the program said he is going to call him every day. I have not heard one negative comment from any player Senior or underclassman about him........interesting.

 

[simplyred]

Lavin's gotta go. We've seen what he is capable of and it's just not worth the trouble. Bring in a young gun and see if we can get lucky.

I'm not as adamant that Lavin's "gotta go." I think what makes this decision so hard is that there is a good chance, IMHO, that making a coaching change now might result in a worse outcome for us. It's all conjecture. Nobody can guarantee anything. The question is: Is it worth taking a chance on a new coach now? Personally, I don't think so.

Think of it this way. Renew Lavin now and the way it looks with Sheed and Obekpa most likely gone, we are at best 3 years away from another tournament. With the current talk about Lavin imagine how bad it will get after at least 2 losing/NIT seasons. It will be absolutely miserable to be a fan of this program. Get someone fresh in there and see what they can do.

I hear what you're saying, and I respect it. But, it's still a huge chance bringing in a new guy. Plus, you're assuming 2 losing/NIT seasons. Not sure I'm buying that. We bring in a fresh face who does absolutely nothing, and we are set back even further.

Life is about chances isn't it, you can't be scared and just accept avg all of your life

That's impressive!

 

[Jack Williams]

I find it amusing that we all have opinions about the disposition of the coach, some folks with stronger feelings than others. What do the seniors who spent 4 years with him fighting hand to hand combat against our opposition think of said coach? D'Lo who most on the board said grew up in the program said he is going to call him every day. I have not heard one negative comment from any player Senior or underclassman about him........interesting.

So the players like him as a person so we can't have an opinion about his body of work as a coach? That's interesting as well

 

[STJ11Redmen]

I find it amusing that we all have opinions about the disposition of the coach, some folks with stronger feelings than others. What do the seniors who spent 4 years with him fighting hand to hand combat against our opposition think of said coach? D'Lo who most on the board said grew up in the program said he is going to call him every day. I have not heard one negative comment from any player Senior or underclassman about him........interesting.

I don't spend money/waste time to listen to Harrison's daily call with Lavin. I spend money/waste time going to games in which I want to see wins. That's nice that the Harrison has a good relationship with Lavin, but quite frankly I just want to see us win.

 

[1and1sju]

I find it amusing that we all have opinions about the disposition of the coach, some folks with stronger feelinjgs than others. What do the seniors who spent 4 years with him fighting hand to hand combat against our opposition think of said coach? D'Lo who most on the board said grew up in the program said he is going to call him every day. I have not heard one negative comment from any player Senior or underclassman about him........interesting.

I agree, it is interesting, and worth monitoring.
But to some degree it's in their self interest to support the coach. Even subconsciously. If they were to label Lavin a failure, that would be reflecting on their own college careers.

Also, you don't let the inmates pick the warden, the private dictate national military strategy, or the students hire the teachers.

Every player would like to play for a player friendly coach. That doesn't mean it's the right choice,

 

[Russ2374]

My opinion has changed from the Georgetown game to now but what I really want is a few good years of St John's fans not calling for a new coach. Hopefully if coach is replaced the next guy can get us into year 2 or 3 before half the fan base gives up again. I don't have any faith that would happen which is why it's so depressing that the season is over and now this is all there is to talk about.

Sign me up for all the unrealistic / pipe dream options. I might even be happy with Hurley or Mark Jackson but that would mean we'd be 3 years out once again. Only short term answer is Lavin with short extension followed by back to back great recruiting classes + immediate impact transfers. Perhaps that gets us back in the dance in 2016-17. If we extend and fail to make tourney next 2 years, he's gone anyway so what do we want? Chance of tourney in 2 years or nothing for next 3 and fans calling for new coach's head before we get started again? I don't know anymore which is why this is so depressing.

 

[GardenCity62]

Based on recent postings I would have expected the voting to be two thirds against extension instead of the other way around.
This is probably based on the fact many expect Donavan or someone of his statue to accept the job. Ain't happening.

 

[TonyinFairfield]

I'm shocked at how many people have such low expectations for the program. Or how many people see "20 wins" and no farther.

Exactly, going to the NCAA Tourny once every four years is just fine with most SJU I guess, being the youngest team in year six is just fine with them also.
With that mentality we'll be with the former nyc great schools (Fordham, NYU.....), just a nobody.

Just sad that this is ok in the minds of most sju fans.

You are just flat out dead wrong. Just because I do not want to make a coaching change does not mean I am satisfied with making the tourney every four years, being the youngest team every six years or sinking to the level of a Fordham and an NYU. You, and the other Lavin haters, just continue to spout this BS. You continue to spout this propaganda so much that you have started believing your own garbage.

I want this program to get back to what it once was as much as you do. I'm just not convinced that changing coaches, especially with who's available, is the answer. If there is a coaching change, not you, nor anyone else, can guarantee that it will get better.

So we're gonna get back to where we should be by being the youngest team once again in his sixth year??? Tell me something Tony, if this idiot knew wtf he was doing, then how is it possible again to be the youngest team once again 4yrs after he was coach of the youngest team in the country (@ SJU). That not acceptable, whether you or others want to think so or not.
What happened to the recruiting last year? We heard nothing from him or staff until April then he goes out and gets Adonis and Keith, but either has played a single damn minute the whole year.
So now that we got 1 4star and 2 3 stars, it's clap clap clap lets extend him?
Lets look at his postseason at SJU with his recruits.
0-4 in the B.E Tourny, 0-1 in the NCAA, 1-2 in the NIT.

Oh hell yeah that's some real bang bup job there Lavin, @ sju you deserve a lifetime contract for that great job. Let sju do whatever they want, most sju here would be happy anyway so who cares.

You know what? I'm beginning to question whether you really want to see our program succeed or if you want the program to fail so you can continue with all your negativity.

 

[TonyinFairfield]

Lavin's gotta go. We've seen what he is capable of and it's just not worth the trouble. Bring in a young gun and see if we can get lucky.

I'm not as adamant that Lavin's "gotta go." I think what makes this decision so hard is that there is a good chance, IMHO, that making a coaching change now might result in a worse outcome for us. It's all conjecture. Nobody can guarantee anything. The question is: Is it worth taking a chance on a new coach now? Personally, I don't think so.

Think of it this way. Renew Lavin now and the way it looks with Sheed and Obekpa most likely gone, we are at best 3 years away from another tournament. With the current talk about Lavin imagine how bad it will get after at least 2 losing/NIT seasons. It will be absolutely miserable to be a fan of this program. Get someone fresh in there and see what they can do.

I hear what you're saying, and I respect it. But, it's still a huge chance bringing in a new guy. Plus, you're assuming 2 losing/NIT seasons. Not sure I'm buying that. We bring in a fresh face who does absolutely nothing, and we are set back even further.

Life is about chances isn't it, you can't be scared and just accept avg all of your life

That's impressive!

Again, not in favor of a coaching change does not mean I accept average. That is a huge assumption on your part. And you know what they say about people who assume.

For what it's worth, I've taken plenty of chances in my life. Some have worked out wonderfully, some have been merely OK, and others have failed. I'm not scared to take chances. And for you to state that I am is disingenuous, at best. Please don't assume you know me. You don't.

 

[frank61]

I find it amusing that we all have opinions about the disposition of the coach, some folks with stronger feelings than others. What do the seniors who spent 4 years with him fighting hand to hand combat against our opposition think of said coach? D'Lo who most on the board said grew up in the program said he is going to call him every day. I have not heard one negative comment from any player Senior or underclassman about him........interesting.

So the players like him as a person so we can't have an opinion about his body of work as a coach? That's interesting as well

Jack, I might be wrong, but I think it goes beyond liking him as a person. Where would Harrison be if Lavin didn't have the guts to confront a major problem when it showed itself. Many coaches, I think might have looked the other way, to improve their own numbers. He may have an unorthodox way of coaching, but I think he does more coaching than we realize. No he doesn't have sets that he runs, but he gets the kids to play their guts out for 40 minutes a night. I do have a gripe with him and it is that he is responsible for having no bench, no reserves, no premium players for next year other than BS. The kids would go to war for him. So I think it is more than just liking him. If they didn't think they were getting coached, you would have dissention on the team that I just don't see.

 

[redfan259999888]

Lavin's gotta go. We've seen what he is capable of and it's just not worth the trouble. Bring in a young gun and see if we can get lucky.

I'm not as adamant that Lavin's "gotta go." I think what makes this decision so hard is that there is a good chance, IMHO, that making a coaching change now might result in a worse outcome for us. It's all conjecture. Nobody can guarantee anything. The question is: Is it worth taking a chance on a new coach now? Personally, I don't think so.

Think of it this way. Renew Lavin now and the way it looks with Sheed and Obekpa most likely gone, we are at best 3 years away from another tournament. With the current talk about Lavin imagine how bad it will get after at least 2 losing/NIT seasons. It will be absolutely miserable to be a fan of this program. Get someone fresh in there and see what they can do.

I hear what you're saying, and I respect it. But, it's still a huge chance bringing in a new guy. Plus, you're assuming 2 losing/NIT seasons. Not sure I'm buying that. We bring in a fresh face who does absolutely nothing, and we are set back even further.

Life is about chances isn't it, you can't be scared and just accept avg all of your life

That's impressive!

I knew you'd agree Thata boy

 

[simplyred]

Lavin's gotta go. We've seen what he is capable of and it's just not worth the trouble. Bring in a young gun and see if we can get lucky.

I'm not as adamant that Lavin's "gotta go." I think what makes this decision so hard is that there is a good chance, IMHO, that making a coaching change now might result in a worse outcome for us. It's all conjecture. Nobody can guarantee anything. The question is: Is it worth taking a chance on a new coach now? Personally, I don't think so.

Think of it this way. Renew Lavin now and the way it looks with Sheed and Obekpa most likely gone, we are at best 3 years away from another tournament. With the current talk about Lavin imagine how bad it will get after at least 2 losing/NIT seasons. It will be absolutely miserable to be a fan of this program. Get someone fresh in there and see what they can do.

I hear what you're saying, and I respect it. But, it's still a huge chance bringing in a new guy. Plus, you're assuming 2 losing/NIT seasons. Not sure I'm buying that. We bring in a fresh face who does absolutely nothing, and we are set back even further.

Life is about chances isn't it, you can't be scared and just accept avg all of your life

That's impressive!

Again, not in favor of a coaching change does not mean I accept average. That is a huge assumption on your part. And you know what they say about people who assume.

For what it's worth, I've taken plenty of chances in my life. Some have worked out wonderfully, some have been merely OK, and others have failed. I'm not scared to take chances. And for you to state that I am is disingenuous, at best. Please don't assume you know me. You don't.

Haters have gone from attacking Lavin to attacking those who support Lavin. I suspect it is because thay are starting to worry that he will be extended and they are in panic mode. I'm sure they are surprised at the results (so far) of this poll. Don't let it bother you, Tony.

 

[redfan259999888]

Lavin's gotta go. We've seen what he is capable of and it's just not worth the trouble. Bring in a young gun and see if we can get lucky.

I'm not as adamant that Lavin's "gotta go." I think what makes this decision so hard is that there is a good chance, IMHO, that making a coaching change now might result in a worse outcome for us. It's all conjecture. Nobody can guarantee anything. The question is: Is it worth taking a chance on a new coach now? Personally, I don't think so.

Think of it this way. Renew Lavin now and the way it looks with Sheed and Obekpa most likely gone, we are at best 3 years away from another tournament. With the current talk about Lavin imagine how bad it will get after at least 2 losing/NIT seasons. It will be absolutely miserable to be a fan of this program. Get someone fresh in there and see what they can do.

I hear what you're saying, and I respect it. But, it's still a huge chance bringing in a new guy. Plus, you're assuming 2 losing/NIT seasons. Not sure I'm buying that. We bring in a fresh face who does absolutely nothing, and we are set back even further.

Life is about chances isn't it, you can't be scared and just accept avg all of your life

That's impressive!

Again, not in favor of a coaching change does not mean I accept average. That is a huge assumption on your part. And you know what they say about people who assume.

For what it's worth, I've taken plenty of chances in my life. Some have worked out wonderfully, some have been merely OK, and others have failed. I'm not scared to take chances. And for you to state that I am is disingenuous, at best. Please don't assume you know me. You don't.

Haters have gone from attacking Lavin to attacking those who support Lavin. I suspect it is because thay are starting to worry that he will be extended and they are in panic mode. I'm sure they are surprised at the results (so far) of this poll. Don't let it bother you, Tony.

hahaha worry about? Hey I have my own life to live, with my own business. The school will do as they want with Lavin, I have no controll as everyone else on this board.
If they want to be an avg bball team under Lavin then so be it, and I'll just go on with the rest of my life.

 

[TonyinFairfield]

Lavin's gotta go. We've seen what he is capable of and it's just not worth the trouble. Bring in a young gun and see if we can get lucky.

I'm not as adamant that Lavin's "gotta go." I think what makes this decision so hard is that there is a good chance, IMHO, that making a coaching change now might result in a worse outcome for us. It's all conjecture. Nobody can guarantee anything. The question is: Is it worth taking a chance on a new coach now? Personally, I don't think so.

Think of it this way. Renew Lavin now and the way it looks with Sheed and Obekpa most likely gone, we are at best 3 years away from another tournament. With the current talk about Lavin imagine how bad it will get after at least 2 losing/NIT seasons. It will be absolutely miserable to be a fan of this program. Get someone fresh in there and see what they can do.

I hear what you're saying, and I respect it. But, it's still a huge chance bringing in a new guy. Plus, you're assuming 2 losing/NIT seasons. Not sure I'm buying that. We bring in a fresh face who does absolutely nothing, and we are set back even further.

Life is about chances isn't it, you can't be scared and just accept avg all of your life

That's impressive!

Again, not in favor of a coaching change does not mean I accept average. That is a huge assumption on your part. And you know what they say about people who assume.

For what it's worth, I've taken plenty of chances in my life. Some have worked out wonderfully, some have been merely OK, and others have failed. I'm not scared to take chances. And for you to state that I am is disingenuous, at best. Please don't assume you know me. You don't.

Haters have gone from attacking Lavin to attacking those who support Lavin. I suspect it is because thay are starting to worry that he will be extended and they are in panic mode. I'm sure they are surprised at the results (so far) of this poll. Don't let it bother you, Tony.

hahaha worry about? Hey I have my own life to live, with my own business. The school will do as they want with Lavin, I have no controll as everyone else on this board.
If they want to be an avg bball team under Lavin then so be it, and I'll just go on with the rest of my life.

Yes, please do. I think a few people on this board would like that.

 

[simplyred]

Lavin's gotta go. We've seen what he is capable of and it's just not worth the trouble. Bring in a young gun and see if we can get lucky.

I'm not as adamant that Lavin's "gotta go." I think what makes this decision so hard is that there is a good chance, IMHO, that making a coaching change now might result in a worse outcome for us. It's all conjecture. Nobody can guarantee anything. The question is: Is it worth taking a chance on a new coach now? Personally, I don't think so.

Think of it this way. Renew Lavin now and the way it looks with Sheed and Obekpa most likely gone, we are at best 3 years away from another tournament. With the current talk about Lavin imagine how bad it will get after at least 2 losing/NIT seasons. It will be absolutely miserable to be a fan of this program. Get someone fresh in there and see what they can do.

I hear what you're saying, and I respect it. But, it's still a huge chance bringing in a new guy. Plus, you're assuming 2 losing/NIT seasons. Not sure I'm buying that. We bring in a fresh face who does absolutely nothing, and we are set back even further.

Life is about chances isn't it, you can't be scared and just accept avg all of your life

That's impressive!

Again, not in favor of a coaching change does not mean I accept average. That is a huge assumption on your part. And you know what they say about people who assume.

For what it's worth, I've taken plenty of chances in my life. Some have worked out wonderfully, some have been merely OK, and others have failed. I'm not scared to take chances. And for you to state that I am is disingenuous, at best. Please don't assume you know me. You don't.

Haters have gone from attacking Lavin to attacking those who support Lavin. I suspect it is because thay are starting to worry that he will be extended and they are in panic mode. I'm sure they are surprised at the results (so far) of this poll. Don't let it bother you, Tony.

hahaha worry about? Hey I have my own life to live, with my own business. The school will do as they want with Lavin, I have no controll as everyone else on this board.
If they want to be an avg bball team under Lavin then so be it, and I'll just go on with the rest of my life.

That's good. Then you can leave us mediocre people alone.

 

[we are sju]

I have stated IMO he has done enough. I think he should get extended. HOWEVER there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the things a coach does. I think it is the best interest of the school for him to return. That does not mean he does not have flaws and when they crop up criticism is warranted. For some reason most of you only see black or white.

 

[Class of 72]

I'm just tired of seeing bad basketball. I've been watching college basketball non stop for the last four days, and the teams that remain all have a set offense and multiple plays run throughout the game. Some of those plays NC State ran when the game was on the line were awesome. More awesome to me because i haven't seen any plays like that over the last few years at SJU.

My plan? Get a good X's and O's coach and hire monte as an assistant to recruit NY players to SJU

Obviously Jay Wright and his staff haven't seen plays like that either!
This awesome NC State team with their awesome plays snuck into the NCAAs with a 20-13 record. Great for them they have the talent and depth to steal a couple when it counts.
Where was your admiration when at one point in the season their awesome plays resulted in a a not so awesome string of .....L, W, L, L, L, W, L, L. ? hmy:

 

[ADORAZ]

Here's a scenario.

We sign the popular pick and flavor of the month (Hurley), who hasn't been recruiting Big East caliber players. He needs to fill an entire roster in basically a few weeks. We suck for the next two or three years and suddenly nobody thinks Hurley is a good coach. If Hurley can come here, convince Jordan and CO to stay, sign Diallo and retain Sampson, then sure sign him up. But Lavin is more likely to so that than Hurley.