That is sad in itself that we don't have a lot of fans on this forum.
Coaching Decision Poll
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That is sad in itself that we don't have a lot of fans on this forum.
I'm just tired of seeing bad basketball. I've been watching college basketball non stop for the last four days, and the teams that remain all have a set offense and multiple plays run throughout the game. Some of those plays NC State ran when the game was on the line were awesome. More awesome to me because i haven't seen any plays like that over the last few years at SJU.
My plan? Get a good X's and O's coach and hire monte as an assistant to recruit NY players to SJU
Obviously Jay Wright and his staff haven't seen plays like that either!
This awesome NC State team with their awesome plays snuck into the NCAAs with a 20-13 record. Great for them they have the talent and depth to steal a couple when it counts.
Where was your admiration when at one point in the season their awesome plays resulted in a a not so awesome string of .....L, W, L, L, L, W, L, L. ?
Never called NC ST an awesome team. They ran some set plays down the stretch to finish off a top seed. Do you perhaps recall the plays we ran when we went on a drought towards the end of the game in January when we had #4 duke on the ropes? Yea, Me neither. Because under Lavin, there is no offense. There is recruit athletes and hope they can run down the floor faster then the other team. It works if your players are THAT good. But Lavins recruiting has died down and has been spotty, and that's being generous.
As for you attempting to call me out for not applauding NC ST during whatever stretch of the season you mentioned, that has nothing to do with anything. They were well coached and executed set plays in the game I watched last night. They didn't sneak into the tournament. They were a better seed than us, got to 20 wins in a tougher conference, and did something we couldn't do, beat Duke. My point is, at least for nc st those plays are there. They have something to run, something to execute or attempt to execute. For us there is nothing. There is hope the game is fast paced and if not stand around on offense for 30 seconds and then throw up a bad shot. Works when your players are great, with the recent dip in recruiting ours aren't. With Lavin, we've always had a bad X's and O's guy and a good recruiter. But at this point he is neither. I want a change
jumbo_peanuts
Active member
I think the biggest problem the last few years has been us not really being prepared for the early exits, and I'm not so quite sure that you can be prepared for that. Was anyone really expecting Jakarr to leave early? And it feels like Garrett's baseball career seemingly came out of nowhere. It's just very hard to replenish players with equal caliber players when you didn't know they were leaving. And by the time we found out they were leaving, it was too late in the recruiting season.
Look at our forward position this year. We were expecting to have Jakarr for at least this year (and possibly Harkless as well), and maybe even next. So why would Lavin recruit over him? Maybe recruit over him is not the best way to put it. But is he going to talk to a 4 or 5 star recruit and be like "well you know we already have Jakarr, so you will be splitting time with him, but if he leaves early or something, you will be the man for us."?
tom in salem
Well-known member
can someone set up a monasch poll?
i suspect that would be unanimous.
i suspect that would be unanimous.
I'm just tired of seeing bad basketball. I've been watching college basketball non stop for the last four days, and the teams that remain all have a set offense and multiple plays run throughout the game. Some of those plays NC State ran when the game was on the line were awesome. More awesome to me because i haven't seen any plays like that over the last few years at SJU.
My plan? Get a good X's and O's coach and hire monte as an assistant to recruit NY players to SJU
Obviously Jay Wright and his staff haven't seen plays like that either!
This awesome NC State team with their awesome plays snuck into the NCAAs with a 20-13 record. Great for them they have the talent and depth to steal a couple when it counts.
Where was your admiration when at one point in the season their awesome plays resulted in a a not so awesome string of .....L, W, L, L, L, W, L, L. ?
Never called NC ST an awesome team. They ran some set plays down the stretch to finish off a top seed. Do you perhaps recall the plays we ran when we went on a drought towards the end of the game in January when we had #4 duke on the ropes? Yea, Me neither. Because under Lavin, there is no offense. There is recruit athletes and hope they can run down the floor faster then the other team. It works if your players are THAT good. But Lavins recruiting has died down and has been spotty, and that's being generous.
As for you attempting to call me out for not applauding NC ST during whatever stretch of the season you mentioned, that has nothing to do with anything. They were well coached and executed set plays in the game I watched last night. They didn't sneak into the tournament. They were a better seed than us, got to 20 wins in a tougher conference, and did something we couldn't do, beat Duke. My point is, at least for nc st those plays are there. They have something to run, something to execute or attempt to execute. For us there is nothing. There is hope the game is fast paced and if not stand around on offense for 30 seconds and then throw up a bad shot. Works when your players are great, with the recent dip in recruiting ours aren't. With Lavin, we've always had a bad X's and O's guy and a good recruiter. But at this point he is neither. I want a change
I don't recall watching NC State running many set plays. They went one on one a lot and had two guys that Nova couldn't match athletically that broke Nova down at will. It's nothing that Lavin didn't try...high ball screen, etc. I think Steve Smith said their guard leads the country in ppg off ISOs.
The difference between us and NC State (besides the obvious size and depth) is the way they establish the post. We came out like a football team trying to pass 60 times without running once. It makes us too easy to defend. Bigs only have to worry about getting position for rebounds and helping on D.
There is no excuse to not have dumped it down to Amar and at least had him pass out. There was no excuse not to pass the ball to Amar once on his wide open rolls after the picks. It let the defense concentrate on playing the recipient of the screen. If not Amar than Jones surely could have done that. And if not Jones, both Jordan and Harrison did well passing out of the post and drawing contact down there. You have to make teams defend the high post, low post, baseline, three point line, and of course, typical dribble drives from the perimeter.
If Lavin came back, I'd support him, but I really don't want to lose out on the chance at Bobby Hurley or Archie Miller (or more established coaches like Marshall and Smart if they'd consider us). I also am not sure I can handle a style of play where rebounding and tenacity are not core tenets and players are so free to do as they please.
Back on topic...I voted yes, keep the coach, despite being off the Lavin bandwagon. I hope the school does due diligence in finding his replacement. I'd love to see an improvement. Barring that, I vote no for an iffy replacement that'll set us back another few years.
I don't trust the powers that be to find anything other than a slick talker. Extend Lavin.
I don't trust the powers that be to find anything other than a slick talker. Extend Lavin.
When the kid is Chris McCullough, yes.
Never seen a school with 5* and high 4* prospects assume that they'd stay all 4 years.
Jakarr was coming off ROY. He was hinting at the very same things Sheed has been hinting at for a year.
I think that's one area where the game passed him by when he worked for ESPN. Gone are the days of slow-playing recruitment pitches.
Social media makes these kids feel like rock stars so you have to push to get recruits in the early signing period.
That has hurt us IMHO.
westchesterjoe
Active member
The PRESS RELEASES are being written now..
I just have no faith in the school making a proper hire. Anyone involved in the decision to hire Norm Roberts with his 24-84 record at Queens College should have been lined up for every SJU fan to slap once. If you go the up-and-comer route, you get a guy like Archie Miller or Bobby Hurley, with past accomplishments that suggest they will achieve success. You don't hire a past failure and hope for the best.
Couldn't agree with you more on this
We've been traumatized by a string of horrible past decisions with regards to the basketball program
( I wouldn't put Lavin in that category because I think hiring Lavin was great at the time and even knowing what I know now I'd still have done the same thing because I don't remember there being a bunch of attractive names at the time that were legitimate )
Johnnies Not Lately
New member
I have been a fan since the early 1980's. I have read just about every post on this board since the very beginning, but I have only posted once or twice ever. I couldn't even figure out how to post without hitting reply. LOL. I wanted to note my background, because I suspect that the votes are coming from many like me who don't post regularly. (ie the vote total is the genuine view of the board and not just a product of yes people being better at creating alternative login accounts. LOL)
I voted yes and here is why. The last 5 years have been a very bumpy road. I have been disappointed by the constant drama. However, when you are not already at the top, I think it hard to be as selective in avoiding players with baggage (see SHU for example). It would help to get us over the hump, if Lavin was also an outstanding game coach, but he is not. As with many fans, I have not been that happy with our style of play. However, there are a lot of very successful coaches (several still in the current sweet 16) who more or less play the same style as us. As much as I don't like our style some times, I am not convinced that our style of play is really holding us back. it should be noted that Lavin also clearly has some coaching strengths. Particularly, he seems to be a very good player manager. How in the world he gets the kids not to quit when we have some bad losses is beyond me, and how he completely changed DLO's attitude is impressive. The bottom line is, if Lavin can recruit at the level he has generally achieved at both UCLA and here, I think we will be in the tournament pretty consistently.
The main question for the immediate future then is why Lavin hasn't reloaded us with talent, particularly last years class. The thing I keep coming back to is how Lavin answered a question from a reporter about our lack of recent recruiting. I believe it was during a post game interview during our bad streak, but I am not sure. Lavin's response was basically, he acknowledged that we have had some major problems overall, but insisted that recruiting is not one of them. He said that we are in the best position recruiting-wise that we have been in since he got here. Now I know Lavin's tendency to exaggerate, but the way he kind of laughed when answering the question gave me the distinct impression that this is not BS. So, I will wait and see.
My guess is that if they extend him, this years and next years recruiting class will turn out better then some expect. If so, 2 years from now I imagine that we will be back to the talent level we had last year and this year. If we have that kind of talent consistently, we will generally be in the tournament and hopefully sometimes make a deeper run. I would be happy with that. If the recruiting does not go well, I hope that the extension has a lower buyout. But based on Lavin's comment, and his large body of work recruiting wise, I believe that we generally have a better chance at quickly getting back to that talent level by keeping him, rather than going in a new direction.
That is why I voted yes.
I voted yes and here is why. The last 5 years have been a very bumpy road. I have been disappointed by the constant drama. However, when you are not already at the top, I think it hard to be as selective in avoiding players with baggage (see SHU for example). It would help to get us over the hump, if Lavin was also an outstanding game coach, but he is not. As with many fans, I have not been that happy with our style of play. However, there are a lot of very successful coaches (several still in the current sweet 16) who more or less play the same style as us. As much as I don't like our style some times, I am not convinced that our style of play is really holding us back. it should be noted that Lavin also clearly has some coaching strengths. Particularly, he seems to be a very good player manager. How in the world he gets the kids not to quit when we have some bad losses is beyond me, and how he completely changed DLO's attitude is impressive. The bottom line is, if Lavin can recruit at the level he has generally achieved at both UCLA and here, I think we will be in the tournament pretty consistently.
The main question for the immediate future then is why Lavin hasn't reloaded us with talent, particularly last years class. The thing I keep coming back to is how Lavin answered a question from a reporter about our lack of recent recruiting. I believe it was during a post game interview during our bad streak, but I am not sure. Lavin's response was basically, he acknowledged that we have had some major problems overall, but insisted that recruiting is not one of them. He said that we are in the best position recruiting-wise that we have been in since he got here. Now I know Lavin's tendency to exaggerate, but the way he kind of laughed when answering the question gave me the distinct impression that this is not BS. So, I will wait and see.
My guess is that if they extend him, this years and next years recruiting class will turn out better then some expect. If so, 2 years from now I imagine that we will be back to the talent level we had last year and this year. If we have that kind of talent consistently, we will generally be in the tournament and hopefully sometimes make a deeper run. I would be happy with that. If the recruiting does not go well, I hope that the extension has a lower buyout. But based on Lavin's comment, and his large body of work recruiting wise, I believe that we generally have a better chance at quickly getting back to that talent level by keeping him, rather than going in a new direction.
That is why I voted yes.