Coaching Carousel

[fordham96]

"I also took a MAAC team with peanuts for resources and beat you guys on my way to the Elite Eight".

Hard to believe he wouldn't be successful with a resource rich program. Not saying Kentucky should look at him, but wouldn't be totally unfathomable.

Again that argument can be made about dozens of mid-major coaches in better mid-majors like the MAC and Missouri Valley. Oakland just beat Kentucky?

By your standard the Oakland coach is qualified for the UK job. No?

It is a stupid criteria.

Every mid-major upset of a high major by definition qualifies that mid-major coach for that HM job because he did it with "less in terms of resources."

Purdue should have fired Matt Painter and hired Tobin Anderson because FDU beat them last year. Right? Same logic?

 

[SJU85]

Do Jersey kids who don't yet seem ready for long NBA careers follow him to Arkansas, or do they do another year of college closer to home?

 

[redmanwest]

If a young all-star type coach were emerging, his/her resume would look like Shaheen Holloway's. What more does the guy have to do? He is already an upgrade to Calipari, who essentially stopped coaching.

No, I was not kidding.

Too soon.

 

[logen]

That wasn't my point. I wasn't merely claiming it was luck.

I am saying the mileage he is getting out of one NCAA run (that easily could have never happened) that evidently seems to want to translate into the biggest job in CBB is extraordinary.

It does not compute.

Understood, I think I took your post I commented on the wrong way.

 

[Redenbacher]

Mike Anderson won COY because he took a team projected to finish like 9th in the BE and led them to a fourth place finish in the league.

Again I like Sha but I can’t tell if you actually think this, are trolling or should be on their message board instead. If the latter, they can use you with their 120 fans.

I said "IF they strike out on the top tier".

Comparing a young, dynamic coach on an upward trajectory with Anderson, who had just been fired from his last job coming into SJU is just way off base.

 

[fordham96]

I said "IF they strike out on the top tier".

Comparing a young, dynamic coach on an upward trajectory with Anderson, who had just been fired from his last job coming into SJU is just way off base.

I am using your standard. I was not comparing him at all.

 

[SJU85]

Why would Hurley leave. He’s won enough where he is so he can continue to be the obnoxious, loudmouth scumbag that he truly is.

Possibly more $$$$ both in his pocket and NIL.

 

[Jack Williams]

I think in the era of NIL, these top schools are going to get top notch players no matter what.

With these "kids" now being full on professionals, to me coaching becomes more and more about who can connect with the players and get them to buy in to a common goal of being a championship TEAM and not just guys playing for themselves.

I just think Holloway is that kind of dude.

Sure they'll go get a Scott Drew or Nate Oats or something, but I still think Holloway would be a great hire for any big program. I fear if he stays at Seton Hall, he won't blossom the way he is capable. It won't be Kentucky but I think he should jump to a bigger program sooner rather than later

 

[fordham96]

Last thought Shaheen Holloway is not going to be considered for UK and he is not getting hired.

Whether UK strikes out on their first 5 names or 10 names it won't ever get to him. Ever.

Move on....

 

[Redenbacher]

I am using your standard. I was not comparing him at all.

I am using your standard too about resources. With NIL resources that aren't even remotely close to the top of the Big East, Holloway has drastically outperformed.

Anyway, yes, time to move on.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Again that argument can be made about dozens of mid-major coaches in better mid-majors like the MAC and Missouri Valley. Oakland just beat Kentucky?

By your standard the Oakland coach is qualified for the UK job. No?

Where are the dozens of mid major coaches at, by your own admission, better schools, who have made the elite 8? You seem to be lumping in any first round upset with his run.

No I don’t think he’s a kentucky candidate but I do think you undervalue his resume.

 

[Jack Williams]

Last thought Shaheen Holloway is not going to be considered for UK and he is not getting hired.

Whether UK strikes out on their first 5 names or 10 names it won't ever get to him. Ever.

Move on....

Yes death to all discourse we should all agree on everyone and everything #redfans

 

[fordham96]

I am using your standard too about resources. With NIL resources that aren't even remotely close to the top of the Big East, Holloway has drastically outperformed.

Anyway, yes, time to move on.

Not my standard.

The idea that a guy with 2 NIT appearances who just 2 years ago was coaching St. Peter's and didn't get the Fordham job is going to be considered let alone hired for the most difficult job in CBB is insane.

Much more insane then Tobin Anderson being hired by Purdue and that is insane in itself. That was the larger point.

 

[fordham96]

Where are the dozens of mid major coaches at, by your own admission, better schools, who have made the elite 8? You seem to be lumping in any first round upset with his run.

No I don’t think he’s a kentucky candidate but I do think you undervalue his resume.

Oh so now it has to be an elite 8 run. Come on.

How many coaches have an NCAA Title? Kevin Ollie does, would you hire him?

I am talking about mid-major coaches who have built solid resumes of conference titles and consistent NCAA or NIT appearances.

That is what I meant about dozens of coaches. Not specifically coaches how had an NCAA run.

I always said about Porter Moser it was not the one Final 4 run. It was that he built the best program in a high mid-major. To me that is what made him impressive and worthy of high major looks.

 

[Redenbacher]

Not my standard.

The idea that a guy with 2 NIT appearances who just 2 years ago was coaching St. Peter's and didn't get the Fordham job is going to be considered let alone hired for the most difficult job in CBB is insane.

Much more insane then Tobin Anderson being hired by Purdue and that is insane in itself. That was the larger point.

He didn't get the Fordham job, but he got the Seton Hall job! Are you saying the A10 is better than the Big East?

 

[Alex9045]

Again that argument can be made about dozens of mid-major coaches in better mid-majors like the MAC and Missouri Valley. Oakland just beat Kentucky?

By your standard the Oakland coach is qualified for the UK job. No?

It is a stupid criteria.

Every mid-major upset of a high major by definition qualifies that mid-major coach for that HM job because he did it with "less in terms of resources."

Purdue should have fired Matt Painter and hired Tobin Anderson because FDU beat them last year. Right? Same logic?

Fordham, I really appreciate your insight and you know basketball. But your arguments are always in absolutes.

No, Shaheen Holloway doesn't deserve the Kentucky job because he beat them once on his way to an improbable elite eight run. But he has shown over a few years now that he can build hard working, competitive teams with limited resources. That is why is he in the discussion for these upper echelon tier of Jobs in college ball.

Even though Louisville is in a bad state, they didn't check on Shaheen for no reason. Yes I know Louisville isn't Kentucky. It's becoming pretty clear Seton Hall will not be his last stop.

 

[fordham96]

What made Fran McCaffery a good mid-major coach. One NCAA run? No.

He won 3 straight MAAC regular season and Tourney titles.

3 straight NCAA appearances including as a 9th seed in 2009. I can't remember a MAAC team ever getting such a high seed.

Did he make a run to the Elite 8 or Final Four? No? So what.

He built the best program in the MAAC.

 

[fordham96]

He didn't get the Fordham job, but he got the Seton Hall job! Are you saying the A10 is better than the Big East?

Huh? The biggest reason he got the SHU job is: 1)He is a grad and 2)SHU had nowhere else to go.

I am saying Fordham to UK is a huge leap as is SHU. To be fair SHU is not as a big leap but was just pointing out the timeline.

 

[fordham96]

Fordham, I really appreciate your insight and you know basketball. But your arguments are always in absolutes.

No, Shaheen Holloway doesn't deserve the Kentucky job because he beat them once on his way to an improbable elite eight run. But he has shown over a few years now that he can build hard working, competitive teams with limited resources. That is why is he in the discussion for these upper echelon tier of Jobs in college ball.

Even though Louisville is in a bad state, they didn't check on Shaheen for no reason. Yes I know Louisville isn't Kentucky. It's becoming pretty clear Seton Hall will not be his last stop.

Trust me the Louisville interest in Shaheen was WAAAY overblown. It was not serious.

 

[classof2010]

UK, UCLA, and IU are hardest jobs in college basketball. Fan bases with unreasonable expectations. One knock on Cal is that few years back he said he cared more about putting guys in the lottery than winning National Championships.