MugCostanza
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Wonder if Wojo would be in play to join Scheyer's Duke staff. Haven't even heard his name come up with any mid-major openings which would have been the next natural step for him.
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Wonder if Wojo would be in play to join Scheyer's Duke staff. Haven't even heard his name come up with any mid-major openings which would have been the next natural step for him.
To me little upside (long term) and have considerable risk. Miller and Matta if they are really successful will be gone to bigger programs in 2-3 years (they have done it before). I hope the schools put big ass buy outs into their contracts. If Matta struggles with his health, then he will also last a few years ( and Butler will struggle). Miller has the NCAA hanging over his head, long suspension, show cause then X is in trouble.
Also, opposing coaches will absolutely use these issues against them in recruiting.
I agree. What I was really pointing out was that we consider those big hires in the BE, when they are coaches the big boys in the Powewr 5 aren't interested in for one reason or another. I would have made each of those hires before CMA. I might not have if I was a UCLA fan. Well I am a UCLA fan but you now what I mean. That half of me wouldn't have hired those guys coming from where they were coming from. I disagree with Fordham in that I think Matta was the riskiest hire of the three both because you really don't know about this availability or dedication and because I think very highly of Smart and Miller.
Matta turned down the Georgia job 4 years ago because he said he wasn't ready. That is when you would have concerns. Nothing is guaranteed but I would be much less concerned now.
Yeah with all due respect if your strongest argument is "I'm afraid they will have so much success they may leave for another job..." you lost the argument.
Just my opinion.
My argument is that neither gives you any longer term stability. If either health (Matta) or NCAA (MIller) prevents them from being successful then you have to move on in 2-3 years. If they are successful, even moderately (making NCAA), then they are moving on to bigger and better things. As I said, I hope the schools have put very large buyouts in their contracts.
Do you think that’s exclusive to only Miller and Matta? Those schools lose successful coaches to big time programs, doesn’t matter if it’s these two (who I’d actually argue have a better chance of sticking around) or two less proven coaches. Worrying about too much success seems like a great problem to me.
Yeah I don't understand why anyone would think that is a negative on a hire.
"Dude, why would you hire that guy he might be so good that a bigger program in a few years may try to woo them?"
By the way Chris Mack and Miller were both hired off the staff of the outgoing coach and they both eventually left as well. So why would hiring a less accomplished coach stop that coach from leaving if he has a lot of success?
The whole argument is stupid.
And how does that exempt SJU from this. In other words if Mike Anderson has a lot of success why would he not be swayed to leave for another job say in the SEC? Is SJU better than say Xavier?
Or the flip side, are you not worried about Anderson because you don't think he will have that much success? Yeah let's all root for that...LOL
Let’s face facts . Miller and Matta are Elite tier Coaches based on their prior Track Record . Regardless of alleged infractions or health issues . So the BE , still has Wright , McDermott , Cooley , Hurley , Smart , Anderson , Stubblefield and Ewing . And, now Holloway . It’s a tough League and Willard leaving for Maryland doesn’t make it any easier . Villanova , Creighton and Uconn always are able to get top recruits . Smart seems he can too. Miller and Matta have big reputations too . We have our work cut out for us , if we want to move up in the League .
Success is only half of the equation. Matta (health) and Miller (NCAA) have significant risk on being unable to coach in the next few years. I look at both as a stop gap, and would be really surprised if either is at their school for Year 4. As a Power 6 school I wouldn't hire a coach with so little possibility of long term success.
Footwork21
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I think these hires are good for both Xavier and Butler. They are somewhat high risk/high reward, but that's O.K. for these schools. Butler, despite not being very good the last couple of years, has been a perennial NCAA Tournament team since they lost that heartbreaker to Florida in 2000 and came within a few inches on a halfcourt shot of winning a national championship. All of this in spite of constantly having their head coaches poached for better opportunities (Barry Collier, Thad Matta, Todd Lickliter, Brad Stevens, Chris Holtmann). They have a proven track record, at least up until LaVall Jordan, of being able to replace their head coach with somebody just as competent, so they have had that stability that SJU has only been able to dream about since Coach Carnesecca retired. Matta is only a risk because of his health and I imagine Butler is one of the few situations out there that he would have been willing to walk into anyway.
Xavier is in the exact same boat, except they have been a perennial NCAA Tournament team since the mid-80's and have displayed the same ability to replace their coaches (Pete Gillen, Skip Prosser, Sean Miller, Chris Mack) with somebody as good or better than the previous guy. Hell, they just fired Travis Steele DURING the NIT and they went on and won the whole thing. Schools like this can make these types of hires because if it blows up on them, or if the coach decides to take a job at a better program, there is confidence that they will find the right guy to keep the ship steady.
This does not apply to SJU. I can only speak for myself, I do not want a guy who's going to come in, baggage or no baggage, win for a season or two and then disappear into a better program. I have little confidence, based on the past 30 years of program history, that we would be able to replace him with the right guy. I want somebody who wants to be here for the long haul, who will build the program to the point where it's successful enough (my definition of successful is competing for an NCAA bid every single year) over a period of several years, that the whole house of cards isn't going to fall down once that coach moves on.
Miller may be gone when the stench of the NCAA violations clears. The guy can recruit and coach and left the Arizona team well stocked evidenced by what they did this year. Who knows, Pitt could want him to return "home". He will be formidable at X. As to Matta leaving, this might be his final stop as he returns to alma mater and where he was a successful coach that he left as a mid-major that is now in a power 5 conference which will pay more (not to mention how much he banked from his successful 13 years at Ohio State.
Give him some time.
He's only 73.
why would Jared Grasso want to stay at Bryant through the 2026-27 season? Maybe he wasn't getting enough or any mid- to large major offers he might have expected coming off of this year.
Who stays through extension period? Not many if they get better gigs. He just got more security at Bryant and depending on buyout, continued flexibility.