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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=337300]Sorry guys, but I'd much rather be a 20th ranked legit program than a top 10 ranked cheater. Pitino is and always will be a cheater in every sense of the word. Good luck going that route.[/quote]

Funny last time we were a legit top 20 program we were busted for cheating! Remember Abe Keita 300 bucks!! So you can jump off that high horse! I dont think Pitino would cheat! This is personal for him
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=337300]Sorry guys, but I'd much rather be a 20th ranked legit program than a top 10 ranked cheater. Pitino is and always will be a cheater in every sense of the word. Good luck going that route.[/quote]

What if he brings in a squeaky clean staff?
 
[quote="Desco80" post=337286]Start with the assumption that everyone cheats at recruiting in college sports. Because they do. Pitino just got caught, and some of it made for good headlines.

There might be other reasons to dislike the guy. Recruiting illegalities are not what I would hold against Pitino.
Also consider this when judging Pitino and his " I didnt know" defense... would Mullin have had any idea if Matt A had taken recruits for a lap dance or gotten them a pro? Almost certainly not.
Pitino shows up for the inhome visit. Hes not texting 17 year olds and following them on Instagram, or taking shots with them at his house. That's what recruiting assistants do.[/quote]
Desco, if that's "what recruiting assistants do," then it's a head coach's responsibility to make sure they don't. Plenty of people around the Louisville program seemed to know what was going on, but Pitino chose to turn a blind eye to what his assistants were up to because it was in his own self-interest. Granted it can be a very sleazy business, but that doesn't justify being part of it. (Good to see you posting again.)
 
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[quote="tom bradley" post=337296]Who would you rather have going up against Roy Williams for Precious? Pitino or Hurley who needs to consult w his brother at Uconn who is recruiting Precious?[/quote]

Cragg would pose the question straight-away, because recruiting is the lifeblood of any program and key to any hopes of a St. John’s revival.
I wouldn’t worry about that piece of it.
 
This is a very strange day on this forum. I never thought we’d have so many people pushing for Rick Pitino. It’s astonishing. Whatever ends up happening, I just hope it happens soon so we can find out and move from there
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=337309]This is a very strange day on this forum. I never thought we’d have so many people pushing for Rick Pitino.[/quote]

Just wait until he gets hired and I suddenly start claiming that the man has never once cheated in his life.
 
[quote="tom bradley" post=337302][quote="NCJohnnie" post=337300]Sorry guys, but I'd much rather be a 20th ranked legit program than a top 10 ranked cheater. Pitino is and always will be a cheater in every sense of the word. Good luck going that route.[/quote]

Funny last time we were a legit top 20 program we were busted for cheating! Remember Abe Keita 300 bucks!! So you can jump off that high horse! I dont think Pitino would cheat! This is personal for him[/quote]

I prefer Bobby Hurley. He ‘fits’ us better imo and would be successful leading SJU to success in the NY Metro.
That said, I hope we’re not all being delusional here and head-faked about an impending HC change.
I want a fair settlement to be hammered out.
My personal epiphany in favoring Chris to step aside was this week’s doubleheader of Matt leaving Monday and Mack de-committing today.
But I wish CM well and hope he can step aside on a high note of a 21-13 season.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=337313][quote="Jack Williams" post=337309]This is a very strange day on this forum. I never thought we’d have so many people pushing for Rick Pitino.[/quote]

Just wait until he gets hired and I suddenly start claiming that the man has never once cheated in his life.[/quote]

Thanks for a guffaw, LJSA!!!
 
[quote="tom bradley" post=337285]Baggage is part of why He is wanted! Who doesnt love a story of redemption? Making amends for prior sins! Imagine how hard he will work to prove Louisville wrong! No FBI wiretaps of Pitino! He would come out swinging! I dont dislike Hurley, he may one day be a Mercedes, but right now we have the real chance of landing a HOF coach with a chip on his shoulder to do it right and cement his legacy![/quote]

You should really stop pushing the "redemption" angle. Nobody cares and it makes you look like you have skin in the game as a relative, agent, friend of his. There's always been a faction of SJU donors connected to him who have tried to convince him to come here. He's always said 'no thanks'. We don't owe him squat, let alone a path to "redemption".

Pitino wins. That's all he's got to sell at this point. But don't ignore the facts that he's older and that hes had a LOT of very serious scandals as a HC that cost him the Louisville job. They are why he's in Greece and not coaching another program right now.

If Pitino ended up here, we'd win in the short term. But at what cost? "When you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas."

I don't have any idea if he's getting serious consideration, but I have heard that he wants the job...this time.

I'd prefer Hurley and one or two of the other names that I've heard tossed around, but I could live with Pitino if the school could.
 
[quote="tom bradley" post=337266][quote="Chicago Days" post=337185][quote="danfog" post=337178]What kind of deal?[/quote]

A 'discount' off the remainder of the contract. Just guessing but maybe $1.5mm - 2mm to step aside.
Hufley makes $3mm/yr and he'd owe ASU $2.5mm if he left.
So, a discount.
We shall see.[/quote]

I have heard Hurley name this week, one camp of donors ok with Hurley and one camp firmly for Pitino! PR push coming for Pitino! Pitino wants to coach, and for 2.5 mill he is our guy!! Same as Roy Williams makes!! Now Roy gets a match from Nike, u think Nike will match SJU? Hahaha[/quote] Oh yeah? And who are these groups of donors? What’re their names? Or how about areas of profession? You’re quickly turning into this forums biggest clown. And that’s a tough title to grab on here. But in all seriousness, who are these big donors you speak of?
 
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[quote="SJUFAN2" post=33732]

Pitino wins. That's all he's got to sell at this point. But don't ignore the facts that he's older and that hes had a LOT of very serious scandals as a HC that cost him the Louisville job. They are why he's in Greece and not coaching another program right now.

If Pitino ended up here, we'd win in the short term. But at what cost? "When you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas."

I don't have any idea if he's getting serious consideration, but I have heard that he wants the job...this time.

I'd prefer Hurley and one or two of the other names that I've heard tossed around, but I could live with Pitino if the school could.[/quote]

Shocked to admit this but I too could live with Pitino if that’s the direction the school went in. As I lawyer , and without getting technical , there are things the school could do to protect itself from Pitino or any other coach cheating. In Pitino’s case it would be easier because he is older and is a man of considerable assets. Is my thought process unconventional you bet,but so would be hiring Rick Pitino who has never given the school a glance in the past. The one thing I know is that a small segment of the fan base would be offended but I believe ticket sales and the publicity surrounding his hiring would be off the charts. He is also the one coach I could say with certainty would coach up the talent we would get. He doesn’t need a team of 5 star players like Calipari or others to be good, the man can flat out coach at the highest level. He could take a team of three star players and turn them into a contender in a few seasons, which is sort of what we need as the 4 and 5 star players have never walked through our doors with regularity.
Bobby Hurley , though he has certain redeeming qualities which I listed in another post a few days ago, I must say I was underwhelmed watching us play ASU 2 weeks ago. If either Heron or Clark didn’t crap the bed that night we would have moved on and few would be singing Hurley’s praises.
Having said that is it so hard to get a coach that understands that recruiting is the most important part of this job, especially at $2,000,000 per annum.
Jarvis, Lavin, Mullin. SMH in disappointment as each one could have been a success had they not stopped ,or in Mullins case had he ever started , recruiting.
 
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This email is spot on and encapsulates everything I think as to where we stand now. Let's get this resolved quick, so we can salvage next season before it's too late
 
Just an observation. But some on here would be best suited to log off for a few weeks while all of the rumors are going on and return when we have an outcome. It's making people crazy and starting to comment as if facts are being given. Not good.
 
RMN, welcome to the dark side! Haha...seriously though how crazy is this? We go from Mullin definitely coming back to maybe stepping down then maybe Hurley is coming, now maybe Pitino is seriously being discussed too. Wow. I have always said we have very wealthy donors...we have more money than many think. We aren't poor. You have to see Pitino as a sure thing candidate in terms of strictly coaching ability and success. Within 2-3 years we'd probably be making runs and be in the top 25 routinely. He knows what all of this takes. Is he a good person? Maybe not...but I don't want Goldilocks as coach. This is a tough business and you can't be submissive, you must be aggressive. I don't care about his personal life. It's amazing to me that so many fight like crazy against any notion that Mullin is just in it for the money and doesn't care to defend him, yet Pitino is allowed to be eviscerated personally. Again, he has not been charged with anything and he is still coaching. If you don't think other major programs aren't keeping tabs on him, you're nuts. He will not be in Greece for long. Why keep being the bridesmaid, don't you want to be the bride? I said months ago I know the guy is shady and maybe not the best person in the world, but it would be crazy not to at least consider him. Like RMN said, lawyer up and protect yourself if he does something again.
 
[quote="Room112" post=337341]Just an observation. But some on here would be best suited to log off for a few weeks while all of the rumors are going on and return when we have an outcome. It's making people crazy and starting to comment as if facts are being given. Not good.[/quote]

Thank you Room
 
The bottom line is simple! Folks said Pitino would never leave Louisville because he loves the horses. His wife and him love living in Kentucky! Well thats not true cause he has been in Greece! He loves basketball!! Eats and sleeps it! One of the best teachers in the game! Did his ass coaches do shady things, yes! Did he look the other way, I am sure! Bruce Pearl got a second chance, and he has done way worse, and cried and asked for forgiveness, and look at him now! Pitino is a way better coach, a NY guy and could groom his replacement and leave us in a much better place! He did his penance and Europe loves him! He is a charasmatic coach who would pump this program like never before! The school would make sure no funny business! Are we calling for Cragg to leave because some are now saying Duke cheats? There is a press conference today where allegations are supposed to be made against Duke regarding Nike bribing kids to go to Duke! Nobody will remember that next week. Why do some here hate on Rick? Its a dirty game! How many kids did Lavin lose out on that went to Kansas now accused of cheating! Lavin lost his job, was that fair? Maybe our coaches lose interest recruiting because you cant compete when everyone is xheating! Pitino does not need to cheat! He has a track record of making kids better!!!
 
[quote="stjohnnie75" post=337318]https://twitter.com/dbacks/status/1114325186998755329?s=21[/quote]

Imagine how hyped he'd be after throwing out the first pitch at Yankee Stadium.
 
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