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[quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]

do you know that as a fact?
 
[quote="shamsman2" post=336369][quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]

do you know that as a fact?[/quote]

Femi does.
Burke does.
Sidney Wilson does.
 
[quote="shamsman2" post=336369][quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]

do you know that as a fact?[/quote]

Seriously this is your argument we have to be inside the halls of SJU to confirm everything...
 
[quote="shamsman2" post=336369][quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]

do you know that as a fact?[/quote]

You don't need to be a ship mechanic to know a ship is sinking. Such a ridiculous standard, because asking if someone knows it as "fact" almost certainly leads to "how do you know" which leads to "show me proof" as if a fan has some audio clip of Mullin laughing talking with Mitch about how it's a cushy gig and they don't care. Even if that was the case I 100% guarantee you at least 1 or 2 posters would find a way to spin even that. Oh they were just joking around! We have to have the worst recruiting the past 4 years in any major conference. If not dead last, certainly near bottom.
 
[quote="shamsman2" post=336365][quote="Mike Zaun" post=336363]It took Hurley 2 years to rebuild a major program in ASU. Won 15 games the first 2 years and I don't recall being embarrassed by some D2 team. The last 2 years he won 20 and then 23 games making the tourney in back to back years. 2 straight years in top 25 at some point as high as 3 one year and 17 the next. Mullin got as high as 24 and immediately got knocked out. If I recall correctly, ASU also wins as they should in conference usually double digit wins and I believe 12 this year. The Pac12 was better than the Big East this year for sure so don't give me the conference thing. He's 115-78 .596%...Mullin is 59-73 .447%. That doesn't even tell the other half of the story...Hurley knows how to develop, coach, recruit, and actually gives a crap. He's dedicated and Mullin is not. Again, this job is a pet project for Mullin and a free ride completely for Mitch.[/quote]

Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

See my avatar pic as exhibit 1 that he is not dedicated.
 
[quote="Moose" post=336370][quote="shamsman2" post=336369][quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]

do you know that as a fact?[/quote]


Femi does.
Burke does.
Sidney Wilson does.[/quote]

so you know that Mullin wanted with those players, and you know the decision making that went on with those players?

I don't, but many here must have inside info as to Mullin's thinking.

Have run businesses for a long time and always shocked me when rumors started that had nothing to do with reality. So am suspicious, when there is guessing into someone's motives.. somehow SJU coaches are all lazy and don't care, find that hard to believe. they may not be successful at it, doesn't mean they don't care.
 
I think Chris felt like he could leave all the recruiting to Matt. Huge mistake. Having said that, I have no idea when Chris made a personal visit to a recruit and when he didn't. At the end of the day, part of being a successful boss is having a pulse on what your employers are doing, and knowing when you need to get involved. From the looks of things, he didn't get involved nearly as much as he should have in the recruitment game. Especially since he had to know that Matt couldn't do it all on his own. Once again I'll say that the staff make up was completely flawed. I'm hoping the restructured staff will produce far better results in recruiting, which will then lead to far better results on the court.
 
[quote="shamsman2" post=336375][quote="Moose" post=336370][quote="shamsman2" post=336369][quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]

do you know that as a fact?[/quote]


Femi does.
Burke does.
Sidney Wilson does.[/quote]

so you know that Mullin wanted with those players, and you know the decision making that went on with those players?

I don't, but many here must have inside info as to Mullin's thinking.

Have run businesses for a long time and always shocked me when rumors started that had nothing to do with reality. So am suspicious, when there is guessing into someone's motives.. somehow SJU coaches are all lazy and don't care, find that hard to believe. they may not be successful at it, doesn't mean they don't care.[/quote]

Believe what you want to believe. I'm definitely not going to try and change your mind.

I've worked for a very long time too and by subscribing to the theory of 'where there's smoke there's fire' its proved to be accurate more often than not.
 
[quote="Moose" post=336370][quote="shamsman2" post=336369][quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]

do you know that as a fact?[/quote]

Femi does.
Burke does.
Sidney Wilson does.[/quote]

Sid Wilson? He left here because of Chris?
 
[quote="shamsman2" post=336375][quote="Moose" post=336370][quote="shamsman2" post=336369][quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]

do you know that as a fact?[/quote]


Femi does.
Burke does.
Sidney Wilson does.[/quote]

so you know that Mullin wanted with those players, and you know the decision making that went on with those players?

I don't, but many here must have inside info as to Mullin's thinking.

Have run businesses for a long time and always shocked me when rumors started that had nothing to do with reality. So am suspicious, when there is guessing into someone's motives.. somehow SJU coaches are all lazy and don't care, find that hard to believe. they may not be successful at it, doesn't mean they don't care.[/quote]

You could scroll back to Lavins last year and see all the same comments. Somehow it’s not good enough for some people to judge a coach on their results (there is plenty of red meat right now with Mullin in the record) they have to attack their work ethic.
 
[quote="shamsman2" post=336375][quote="Moose" post=336370][quote="shamsman2" post=336369][quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]

do you know that as a fact?[/quote]


Femi does.
Burke does.
Sidney Wilson does.[/quote]

so you know that Mullin wanted with those players, and you know the decision making that went on with those players?

I don't, but many here must have inside info as to Mullin's thinking.

Have run businesses for a long time and always shocked me when rumors started that had nothing to do with reality. So am suspicious, when there is guessing into someone's motives.. somehow SJU coaches are all lazy and don't care, find that hard to believe. they may not be successful at it, doesn't mean they don't care.[/quote]

If you've been paying attention the past 4 years, you will see why his press conference gets talked about as a promise not fulfilled. He said he'd be going through back doors of gyms all over the metro area and work tirelessly. Well, he doesn't even recruit save for some rare exceptions. Bits of information here and there get out and we have reporters dropping hints constantly painting this picture. Are they faking it? Are Braziller, Rothstein, etc. just making crap up? Mullin and Mitch also leave to go back on the west coast constantly. We know for a fact Mullin never bothered to pay Femi a visit or even a damn phone call. Femi got the last laugh torching us. There's a reason we are 32 games under .500 in 4 years of conference play. There's also a reason we 100% rely on transfers for impact players other than Ponds. It's because we literally cannot get top notch HS recruits here. Why? Partly because we had 1 guy recruiting when most legit programs have 3.
 
[quote="Monte" post=336380][quote="Moose" post=336370][quote="shamsman2" post=336369][quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]

do you know that as a fact?[/quote]

Femi does.
Burke does.
Sidney Wilson does.[/quote]

Sid Wilson? He left here because of Chris?[/quote]

No ironically he did commit to SJU. But it wasn't a full house for his visit.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=336372]
Seriously this is your argument we have to be inside the halls of SJU to confirm everything...[/quote]

The funny thing is -- and I know you know this -- that there are posters here who do have connections inside the halls at St. John's. They can't say much because they risk outing their moles. But the things I've heard from people who do have connections are some of the most ridiculous things imaginable. St. John's was and still is a mess, and the sooner Cragg cleans it up the better.
 
[quote="Moose" post=336385][quote="Monte" post=336380][quote="Moose" post=336370][quote="shamsman2" post=336369][quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]

do you know that as a fact?[/quote]

Femi does.
Burke does.
Sidney Wilson does.[/quote]

Sid Wilson? He left here because of Chris?[/quote]

No ironically he did commit to SJU. But it wasn't a full house for his visit.[/quote]

I said it in my "culture" thread, I didn't think the staff was as connected to the kids as they are at many of the other programs. Early involvement by the entire staff(especially the HC) can only help solidify the bond between a kid and the program he chose. Not sure if it would have made a difference in Wilson's defection, but it most certainly couldn't have hurt.
 
[quote="Moose" post=336385][quote="Monte" post=336380][quote="Moose" post=336370][quote="shamsman2" post=336369][quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]

do you know that as a fact?[/quote]

Femi does.
Burke does.
Sidney Wilson does.[/quote]

Sid Wilson? He left here because of Chris?[/quote]

No ironically he did commit to SJU. But it wasn't a full house for his visit.[/quote]

Yikes! Not showing up to visits for TOP 100 RECRUITS is unbelievable! Not showing up for even a low level recruit would be bad enough as it's very disrespectful of their time. Sad that we have to scold Mullin like he's a child, but I hope Cragg never allows this to happen again.
 
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[quote="shamsman2" post=336375][quote="Moose" post=336370][quote="shamsman2" post=336369][quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]
do you know that as a fact?[/quote]


Femi does.
Burke does.
Sidney Wilson does.[/quote]

so you know that Mullin wanted with those players, and you know the decision making that went on with those players?

I don't, but many here must have inside info as to Mullin's thinking.

Have run businesses for a long time and always shocked me when rumors started that had nothing to do with reality. So am suspicious, when there is guessing into someone's motives.. somehow SJU coaches are all lazy and don't care, find that hard to believe. they may not be successful at it, doesn't mean they don't care.[/quote]

Caring and being lazy aren't mutually exclusive.

When you are a public figure like a Mullin, perception IS reality more often than not. And like it or not, the current perception of the job he's doing here is that he's slightly more dedicated to his job than Phil Jackson was to being Knicks GM. And he only gets the nod as "slightly more dedicated" because he hasn't figured out yet how to keep this job AND live in California all year round.

I love Mullin. He's the reason I'm a fan of this program. But as I said when we hired him:
this is either going to be the best thing that ever happened to St Johns, or the absolute worst. How do you fire your schools LEGEND if it doesn't work out? Its an impossible situation that will only get worse the longer it drags on.

Here is the public perception of Mullin as a college HC so far:

1- He doesn't coach that much.
2 - He rarely recruits.
3 - He handed all the recruiting off to the guy who just lit off for greener pastures as if his life depended on it despite being the top (or among the top) paid assistants in the league. Despite having total control over our recruiting. Despite having his dream job at his alma mater working for his idol.

This program isn't high profile anymore. Nobody comes to this school because of the tradition of the program. It can't compete with anything less than a HC who is going to outwork everyone else in the league on the recruiting trail AND coach up the kids he does land.

What has Mullin done in his 4 years here to give even his most ardent supporters faith that he's going to be that guy?
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=336383]You could scroll back to Lavins last year and see all the same comments. Somehow it’s not good enough for some people to judge a coach on their results (there is plenty of red meat right now with Mullin in the record) they have to attack their work ethic.[/quote]

Lavin is different because he initially worked his ass off. Something seems like it changed after the cancer. Then again, did he get lazy after a few years at UCLA? I can't remember. They may have just been angry over not going deeper in tournament.

People have seemingly always been reluctant to just put everything on the table about Jarvis, but apparently recruiting stories about him are mind-numbing.

No one ever accused Fran of being lazy.

Mahoney busted his ass on the recruiting trail, he just didn't have the coaching acumen.
 
[quote="shamsman2" post=336369][quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]

do you know that as a fact?[/quote]

You can also see the page 16 of Andre Curbelo´s thread when he says that he had not spoken to Mullin yet.
 
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[quote="gonzalo" post=336397][quote="shamsman2" post=336369][quote="L J S A" post=336368][quote="shamsman2" post=336365]
Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .[/quote]

do you know that as a fact?[/quote]

You can also see the page 16 of Andre Curbelo´s thread when he says that he had not spoken to Mullin yet.[/quote]

Come on Gonzalo, why on earth would we want a PG with great stats who just led his team to the federation championship in the state's largest classification as a junior?
 
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