Coaching Alternatives

[quote="fordham96" post=336206][quote="Adam" post=336205][quote="SJU61982" post=336204]See, this is why I think it will always be hard for us to get an established, high-major coach to come here.

The second it becomes public that UCLA (a school in a similar situation to us, although not identical) has made inquiries to John Calipari, this happens:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26417804/kentucky-offers-calipari-life-deal[/quote]

He's the highest paid coach in the nation, at a blue blood who consistently gets 5 star lottery picks every year. Him going to UCLA would just revive another blue blood at UCLA. This has no impact on SJU, but I'd rather he stay at UK. We (along with 99% of teams) are light years away from trying to poach Calipari.[/quote

Well they actually had him as coach Deal was done until Looie had a fit and John quietly withdrew his candidacy
 
I don't even like Bobby Hurley that much, but I'd take him in a second over CM. As another poster mentioned bringing back Mullin with new ACs would be like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Mullin has got to realize by now he doesn't have the coaching chops to last past this contract. We're gonna have to totally rebuild. Might as well start now.
 
I have no idea what is going on. But, of the names tossed around Bobby Hurley is one that at least is worthy of discussing beyond April Fool's Day.

If Bobby Hurley does ever take this job, I can be on board for one reason. It may ensure uconn never steps foot back in the Big East. I do not think the conference is big enough, or would want two Hurleys as coaching members.
 
[quote="kranmars" post=336326]I have no idea what is going on. But, of the names tossed around Bobby Hurley is one that at least is worthy of discussing beyond April Fool's Day.

If Bobby Hurley does ever take this job, I can be on board for one reason. It may ensure uconn never steps foot back in the Big East. I do not think the conference is big enough, or would want two Hurleys as coaching members.[/quote]

Or, does brother vs. brother make good television programming? After all, it's the entertainment industry.
 
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I have no idea of Bobby Hurley’s standing at Ariz State, or whether he’s loved or hated, but I cannot imagine he would leave a big state school with a huge budget to coach at St John’s. Why? Because he’s from Jersey?
 
[quote="BasketballJones" post=336336]I have no idea of Bobby Hurley’s standing at Ariz State, or whether he’s loved or hated, but I cannot imagine he would leave a big state school with a huge budget to coach at St John’s. Why? Because he’s from Jersey?[/quote]

NY/NJ is in his blood. Then there's the Cragg connection. He'd be coaching at a basketball-first school opposed to a football school, and he'd be coaching at MSG. The allure of owning this city. There's plenty of reasons a move would make sense.
 
So, does Hurley to St. John's have some actual legs? There are two major parts to this with Mullin stepping down and Hurley leaving ASU. Just getting one of those two scenarios to happen seems tough.

I really like the idea of Hurley coming and possibly bringing one or two of his top recruits with him. It'd immediately feel like things were back on the upswing.
 
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Hurley is almost identical to Mullin. Both teams had no depth and a few great individual talents. Both teams were wildly inconsistent.

The only difference is Hurley has a violent temper and Arizona St. is easier to recruit to with nicer weather and one of the highest plastic surgery rates of any student body in the country.
 
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Hurley has a bunch of freshmen and sophs in key roles at ASU and they still kicked our ass overall. He also found Dort who is a sure 1st round NBA draft pick. He had ASU top 3 in the country. He would be a huge improvement.
 
Rehire Lavin. Just think if he did not have cancer treatments, not burden with his Father's death and was given an extended contract before it was to late what might have been. His recruiting was the best in years , coaching ,assistants and public relations were better than present..
 
[quote="Marillac" post=336346]Hurley is almost identical to Mullin. Both teams had no depth and a few great individual talents. Both teams were wildly inconsistent.

The only difference is Hurley has a violent temper.[/quote]

I am not a big Hurley fan but there are other differences. Hurley has demonstrated a muchbetter job at recruiting, also helped rebuild 2 programs.

His resume is not tremendous but you can't simply compare them based on 1 year and ignore Hurley coming up as an assistant mid major job and now a major job. You're entire argument is based on this one year.
 
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Well they actually had him as coach Deal was done until Looie had a fit and John quietly withdrew his candidacy[/quote]

Perhaps, but I assume that was long before he was the top paid coach. He had one (vacated) FF in 1996, another (vacated) in 2008, and four more in 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015.

Just saying that the 2019 Calipari is an impossible standard to live up to for 99% of D1 teams. I'm not even sure if anybody besides UK would offer Calpari a lifetime contract at $10 million per year.
 
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[quote="JohnnyFan" post=336329][quote="kranmars" post=336326]I have no idea what is going on. But, of the names tossed around Bobby Hurley is one that at least is worthy of discussing beyond April Fool's Day.

If Bobby Hurley does ever take this job, I can be on board for one reason. It may ensure uconn never steps foot back in the Big East. I do not think the conference is big enough, or would want two Hurleys as coaching members.[/quote]

Or, does brother vs. brother make good television programming? After all, it's the entertainment industry.[/quote]

Of course there is that angle too. But I don't think it would be wise to have siblings with that much "animation" together at least twice a year. It may become a headache.
 
[quote="frank" post=336349]Rehire Lavin. Just think if he did not have cancer treatments, not burden with his Father's death and was given an extended contract before it was to late what might have been. His recruiting was the best in years , coaching ,assistants and public relations were better than present..[/quote]

I we’re going to go that route, why not just hire back Fran? He was a better game coach, a better recruiter and he worked much harder. Plus he’s a New York guy, for what that’s worth. I’m sure he’s matured with age, so showing anyone his testicles or rectum shouldn’t be a concern. Of all the crazy coaching suggestions, I actually think mine may be the least crazy of all. Still pretty out there though.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=336347]Hurley has a bunch of freshmen and sophs in key roles at ASU and they still kicked our ass overall. He also found Dort who is a sure 1st round NBA draft pick. He had ASU top 3 in the country. He would be a huge improvement.[/quote]

Where did ASU finish after they reached #3 in the country (at the beginning of the season). Didn’t they go something like 7-7 after a 12-0 start?

What did Hurley do with Dort (a first round pick) in a very weak conference this year?

Mullin never should have been hired but you love to just include half stories to support your narrative.
 
Watching Hurley during our First Four game, I didn't like how he got the technical. That was foolish on his part. I don't follow ASU basketball so I'm not sure how often that happens, but I assume not significantly more than Mullin.

What I did really like was how animated and involved he was throughout the game compared to Mullin. During some of our games, including vs ASU, Mullin looked defeated on the sidelines very early on. One of the worst examples was our home loss to Georgetown (shoe laces/"stay sharp!").

The players were interviewed in Dayton prior to the game, and were asked if Mullin shared any Tournament advice from his playing days. What stood out to me is how Heron said he didn't. We all know how Heron played during the game. A lot of stuff from that 30 minute interview between the press and Mullin/team annoyed me, but we had yet to play so I brushed it aside. Point being, I got the sense that the relationship between coach and players wasn't strong enough. I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes, so perhaps I am wrong, but that has been my impression.

Truthfully, both ASU and SJU played poorly but we had much worse body language (which even the announcers acknowledged). I believe if Hurley was coaching us we would've easily won that game.
 
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It took Hurley 2 years to rebuild a major program in ASU. Won 15 games the first 2 years and I don't recall being embarrassed by some D2 team. The last 2 years he won 20 and then 23 games making the tourney in back to back years. 2 straight years in top 25 at some point as high as 3 one year and 17 the next. Mullin got as high as 24 and immediately got knocked out. If I recall correctly, ASU also wins as they should in conference usually double digit wins and I believe 12 this year. The Pac12 was better than the Big East this year for sure so don't give me the conference thing. He's 115-78 .596%...Mullin is 59-73 .447%. That doesn't even tell the other half of the story...Hurley knows how to develop, coach, recruit, and actually gives a crap. He's dedicated and Mullin is not. Again, this job is a pet project for Mullin and a free ride completely for Mitch.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=336363]It took Hurley 2 years to rebuild a major program in ASU. Won 15 games the first 2 years and I don't recall being embarrassed by some D2 team. The last 2 years he won 20 and then 23 games making the tourney in back to back years. 2 straight years in top 25 at some point as high as 3 one year and 17 the next. Mullin got as high as 24 and immediately got knocked out. If I recall correctly, ASU also wins as they should in conference usually double digit wins and I believe 12 this year. The Pac12 was better than the Big East this year for sure so don't give me the conference thing. He's 115-78 .596%...Mullin is 59-73 .447%. That doesn't even tell the other half of the story...Hurley knows how to develop, coach, recruit, and actually gives a crap. He's dedicated and Mullin is not. Again, this job is a pet project for Mullin and a free ride completely for Mitch.[/quote]

Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=336363]The Pac12 was better than the Big East this year for sure so don't give me the conference thing.[/quote]

No it wasn't. Utah, Stanford, UCLA, Washington St and Cal were all worse than any teams in the Big East. The top couple Pac teams were maybe better, but certainly not overall. The Pac 12 was a borderline 1 bid team until Oregon went on their run and stole a bid.

That said, 2nd (12-6) in Pac 12 >>>>>>> 7th (8-10) in Big East. Arizona St without question bad a better season than us.
 
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Do you know for a fact that Mullin is not dedicated? Stop with all your suppositions, you seem to know what is going in Mullin's head, 24/7.[/quote]

He sure as hell wasn't dedicated to recruiting. . .
 
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