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[quote="Chicago Days" post=334497]These decisions are above my pay grade, but IF Matt leaves—there goes our only recruiter at a time of potential ‘major’ roster turnover.
I’m not being dramatic but that smacks of very poor management to me that should have consequences.
As a result, I do not see how the AD cannot have major leverage over CM to at least pressure him to make necessary ‘major’ changes to the Staff.
We shall see.[/quote]

If Matt goes then I'm guessing it will happen by Friday.
I mean why wait?
 
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=334514][quote="Chicago Days" post=334497]These decisions are above my pay grade, but IF Matt leaves—there goes our only recruiter at a time of potential ‘major’ roster turnover.
I’m not being dramatic but that smacks of very poor management to me that should have consequences.
As a result, I do not see how the AD cannot have major leverage over CM to at least pressure him to make necessary ‘major’ changes to the Staff.
We shall see.[/quote]

If Matt goes then I'm guessing it will happen by Friday.
I mean why wait?[/quote]

At this point, only the shadow knows.
Lol.
 
Other than his legacy, the other risk Mullin runs is if he stays and gives lip service like he did at his press conference about putting in tons of effort recruiting, then does the same thing and takes a back seat again. That would give the impression he's just collecting a paycheck. I'd hope that's not the case. You would think one of these years we actually hire the right coach even by accident. That's how overdue we are. Enough moving goalposts or demanding fans simply accept failure. If PC and Seton Hall can do it, there's zero reason we can't. We have more resources and more to offer than them and we have more money and more alumni. Way more. We also have a better tradition. Time to dust ourselves off and start fresh. Only losing programs allow this stuff to persist. Again, Cal fired their coach after 2 years. What do we need, 6-10 to prove things aren't going to work?
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=334620]In any event the next week should be interesting.[/quote]

Interesting if we get a new coaching staff. Depressing if we a stuck with the old staff.
 
Finally, someone who appreciates Cleuss! I like the idea of going after a Cleuss assistant, but not before we find out if he wants the SJ job. He’s done well at Iona but isn’t St John’s and the Big East still a step up from there?
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=334619]Other than his legacy, the other risk Mullin runs is if he stays and gives lip service like he did at his press conference about putting in tons of effort recruiting, then does the same thing and takes a back seat again. That would give the impression he's just collecting a paycheck. I'd hope that's not the case. You would think one of these years we actually hire the right coach even by accident. That's how overdue we are. Enough moving goalposts or demanding fans simply accept failure. If PC and Seton Hall can do it, there's zero reason we can't. We have more resources and more to offer than them and we have more money and more alumni. Way more. We also have a better tradition. Time to dust ourselves off and start fresh. Only losing programs allow this stuff to persist. Again, Cal fired their coach after 2 years. What do we need, 6-10 to prove things aren't going to work?[/quote]

Willard’s 3rd year, 15-18
Willard’s 4th year, 17-17.
Willard’s 5th year, 16-15.

You would have had him outed long before seton hall “did it”.
 
Willard had a major recruiting class his fifth year, one of the best in the nation. The situations are pretty different. If Mullin had a major recruiting class coming in next year then few would be complaining. As it stands we have zero freshmen for next year and the foreseeable future. That is my #1 issue with the staff.
 
[quote="Adam" post=335189]Willard had a major recruiting class his fifth year, one of the best in the nation. The situations are pretty different. If Mullin had a major recruiting class coming in next year then few would be complaining. As it stands we have zero freshmen for next year and the foreseeable future. That is my #1 issue with the staff.[/quote]

That was not the point. And regardless, that was after his 5th year. Mullin made the tourney in his 4th and again I’m not campaigning for CM the coach just for people to have some objectiveness.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=335187][quote="Mike Zaun" post=334619]Other than his legacy, the other risk Mullin runs is if he stays and gives lip service like he did at his press conference about putting in tons of effort recruiting, then does the same thing and takes a back seat again. That would give the impression he's just collecting a paycheck. I'd hope that's not the case. You would think one of these years we actually hire the right coach even by accident. That's how overdue we are. Enough moving goalposts or demanding fans simply accept failure. If PC and Seton Hall can do it, there's zero reason we can't. We have more resources and more to offer than them and we have more money and more alumni. Way more. We also have a better tradition. Time to dust ourselves off and start fresh. Only losing programs allow this stuff to persist. Again, Cal fired their coach after 2 years. What do we need, 6-10 to prove things aren't going to work?[/quote]

Willard’s 3rd year, 15-18
Willard’s 4th year, 17-17.
Willard’s 5th year, 16-15.

You would have had him outed long before seton hall “did it”.[/quote]

A point we've made numerous times on this board yet Mike Zaun can't seem to grasp.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=335191][quote="Adam" post=335189]Willard had a major recruiting class his fifth year, one of the best in the nation. The situations are pretty different. If Mullin had a major recruiting class coming in next year then few would be complaining. As it stands we have zero freshmen for next year and the foreseeable future. That is my #1 issue with the staff.[/quote]

That was not the point. And regardless, that was after his 5th year. Mullin made the tourney in his 4th and again I’m not campaigning for CM the coach just for people to have some objectiveness.[/quote]

It is the point, though. Willard got 21 wins during his second season, so once he secured commitments heading into his fifth year he saved his job for a couple years. No way he would've been let go and risk losing Hall's best recruiting class in history (Delgado, Whitehead, Rodriguez and Carrington). Mullin on the other hand has completely lost momentum in regards to recruiting. That is what annoys fans the most.

Again, if St. John's had a top 10 recruiting class coming in next year very few people would want Mullin fired. I'm just tired of seeing the Seton Hall comparison. It's very misleading.
 
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[quote="Adam" post=335195][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=335191][quote="Adam" post=335189]Willard had a major recruiting class his fifth year, one of the best in the nation. The situations are pretty different. If Mullin had a major recruiting class coming in next year then few would be complaining. As it stands we have zero freshmen for next year and the foreseeable future. That is my #1 issue with the staff.[/quote]

That was not the point. And regardless, that was after his 5th year. Mullin made the tourney in his 4th and again I’m not campaigning for CM the coach just for people to have some objectiveness.[/quote]

It is the point, though. Willard got 21 wins during his second season, so once he secured commitments heading into his fifth year he saved his job for a couple years. No way he would've been let go and risk losing Hall's best recruiting class in history (Delgado, Whitehead, Rodriguez and Carrington). Mullin on the other hand has completely lost momentum in regards to recruiting. That is what annoys fans the most.

Again, if St. John's had a top 10 recruiting class coming in next year very few people would want Mullin fired. I'm just tired of seeing the Seton Hall comparison. It's very misleading.[/quote]

That doesn't change that the narrative that this board would have run him out of town. C'mon, you know after the first 4 years of poor results, we would have been outraged he was kept around longer.
 
A point I haven't seen made is, I believe this is the perfect time for Mullin to walk off into the sunset with his legacy intact. Think about it like this. To us die hards, sure we're disappointed in the results. However, to the common fan, it appears that Mullin improved the team each year (as evidenced by wins increasing each year) and peaked in his final year with the NCAA tourney bid. The common fan surely wouldn't look at the Mullin tenure as a failure.
 
[quote="Room112" post=335196][quote="Adam" post=335195][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=335191][quote="Adam" post=335189]Willard had a major recruiting class his fifth year, one of the best in the nation. The situations are pretty different. If Mullin had a major recruiting class coming in next year then few would be complaining. As it stands we have zero freshmen for next year and the foreseeable future. That is my #1 issue with the staff.[/quote]

That was not the point. And regardless, that was after his 5th year. Mullin made the tourney in his 4th and again I’m not campaigning for CM the coach just for people to have some objectiveness.[/quote]

It is the point, though. Willard got 21 wins during his second season, so once he secured commitments heading into his fifth year he saved his job for a couple years. No way he would've been let go and risk losing Hall's best recruiting class in history (Delgado, Whitehead, Rodriguez and Carrington). Mullin on the other hand has completely lost momentum in regards to recruiting. That is what annoys fans the most.

Again, if St. John's had a top 10 recruiting class coming in next year very few people would want Mullin fired. I'm just tired of seeing the Seton Hall comparison. It's very misleading.[/quote]

That doesn't change that the narrative that this board would have run him out of town. C'mon, you know after the first 4 years of poor results, we would have been outraged he was kept around longer.[/quote]

I disagree. Yes, you'd have a LOT of people critical of his coaching ability and skeptical of his future, but I doubt many would have wanted him fired given how good Hall's recruiting class was. It's the same way few wanted Mullin fired at the end of last season since we had a stacked roster coming into this season. When Lavin left, we lost everyone. We lost Brandon Sampson (top 50 recruit), Jordan and CO. That is typically what happens when schools get new coaches, and Hall knew that. Hall was definitely not going to risk losing their best recruiting class in history. If Willard was recruiting like Mullin, he would've been fired at the end of year 4.
 
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[quote="Room112" post=335197]A point I haven't seen made is, I believe this is the perfect time for Mullin to walk off into the sunset with his legacy intact. Think about it like this. To us die hards, sure we're disappointed in the results. However, to the common fan, it appears that Mullin improved the team each year (as evidenced by wins increasing each year) and peaked in his final year with the NCAA tourney bid. The common fan surely wouldn't look at the Mullin tenure as a failure.[/quote]

I 100% agree, and under those circumstances I wouldn't view his tenure as a failure. I'd respect his decision and my view of Mullin's legacy would be positive if he walked now. If however he returns, doesn't hire new ACs, and performs poorly next year, then that'd tarnish his legacy for many fans.
 
Adam is right.... Willard was on the cusp of being fired, but lasted because of the class he had coming in after his 4th season. So, it (or he) bought himself another season with the incoming class and the hiring of Tiny Morton.

I'll give WIllard more props this season more than anything, but I still consider Seton Hall to be mediocre. Some of y'all are using 'em as a "superior" team due to our ineptness.
 
Not what I was hoping for, but I'm hearing it looks like Mullin will be staying, but that a veteran ex-HC might be joining staff. We should know soon enough ... and if so, something else to bandy about.
 
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[quote="redken" post=335255]I'm hearing that Mullin will be staying, but that a veteran ex-HC might be joining staff. If so, something else to bandy about.[/quote]

unless James Naismith is walking through those doors along with a sprung Book Richardson , will it matter?
 
[quote="redken" post=335255]I'm hearing that Mullin will be staying, but that a veteran ex-HC might be joining staff. If so, something else to bandy about.[/quote]

Tim Welsh will really whip up the fan base excitement level, right?
 
[quote="Valgoth" post=335259][quote="redken" post=335255]I'm hearing that Mullin will be staying, but that a veteran ex-HC might be joining staff. If so, something else to bandy about.[/quote]

unless James Naismith is walking through those doors along with a sprung Book Richardson , will it matter?[/quote]
You're not happy to hear that, I take it.
 
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