Coach Lav's contract

Why do some posters assume Lavin is such a caring person and is passionate about his players off the court?
To me that picture someone put up before a practice of D'lo going up to Lavin and hugging him is one of those picture is worth a thousand words things.

Although technically they were on the practice court if we want to nitpick :)
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Extend Lavin…

Yes he's not a top X's and O's guy, but he's a plus recruiter and that means a lot when you are trying to win at a place that can't even fill the seats for a campus game in a tiny arena. Many other coaches would not have been able to bring in the talent that he has since he's been here.

As far as his coaching, I like the fact that players like Greene, Pointer, Harrison and Obekpa have made noticeable improvements to their game, and Coach Lavin deserves credit for that. He also deserves credit for the defense this team plays. These guys don't walk on to campus being terrific defenders, that is taught by the staff.

He's also a good character guy, and a tremendous disciplinarian IMO as evidenced by the growth we have seen in guy's like Harrison, and his courage to suspend highly touted recruits like Jordan despite what the public says or what the recruit might think.
 
In Lavin we have a coach with almost unique ethics and courage. He risked - and lost- a chance at the NCAA's to teach his best player a life lesson - knowing that he also risked D'lo leaving. How many division 1 coaches do you think would have done that? Along the way it taught everyone on the team as well. Maybe a few fans got it, too - the kids are what're most important. Without question. Five seniors graduate - six months early. Young men - and a coach - I can truly root for.
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While your message is nice and had good intentions, it is not the reality of the situation. In today's world, it is all about winning, and that's the bottom line. You can say it's all about the kids, and that's what most important, but does anyone really care whatever happened to Lamont Hamilton, Eugene Lawrence, Showtime Hill, Justin Burrell, etc...? Who is honestly going to sit there and be like, "well we completely sucked at basketball, but at least Curtis Johnson got a degree in business management." (and I have no idea what his major was).

The moment you start with that attitude, is the moment your program goes downhill. I think that that was one of Norm's biggest downfalls. He tried way to hard to develop fine young gentlemen, rather than develop fine young basketball players.

A coach's job is to win games....with a little character development on the side.
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This is where we differ, I care and know what all of those young men are currently doing. Lamont Hamilton is in his 8th year playing overseas. He has been in the highest league in Spain for the past three years. Eugene Lawrence is playing in Germany and Justin Burrell is playing in Japan along with Paris Horne. Daryl hill is living in Charlotte, he is not playing anymore but is involved in AAU basketball and player development. He is also having a Charity game at St Johns in February where the proceeds will benefit Diabetes research. Knowing where some of these kids came from and seeing them mature into responsible young family men makes me proud that we all graduated from St Johns.
If I had to choose between helping DLo save his career and maybe his life, or going to an NCAA tourney, I would help him every time.
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Speaking of Lamont;
@sportando: Lamont Hamilton signed today the contract with Russian team @bcredoctober, I am told.
He officially left @Baskonia
 
I would be very careful extending him now. To me that would be jumping the gun. The 11-1 start is nice, but we havent beaten a ranked team yet, and what will make or break this team is what we do from now until the end of the season.

I hope the success we have had continues, but would you guys REALLY be shocked if we were 1-3 after the first four BE games at SH, vs Nova & Butler and @ PC? (i dont htink we will be 1-3 but it wouldnt shock me)....and if that happens then this board will completely erupt.

The recruiting class for next year is also very concerning, coupled with the recruiting class we brought in this year, the extension isnt warranted yet.

So i think he should be evaluated at the end of the season....and we should move forward from there, but an 11-1 start with a win over a down syracuse team doesnt absolve an unacceptable 2014 & 2015 recruiting class.
 
We should all be so lucky if Lavin decides to stay here long term. We need him; it's not the other way around. He has learned coaching skills on the job and continues to excel in this area. His recruiting skills are just fine. Enjoy this season.
 
We should all be so lucky if Lavin decides to stay here long term. We need him; it's not the other way around. He has learned coaching skills on the job and continues to excel in this area. His recruiting skills are just fine. Enjoy this season.
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And why exactly do we need him?
 
I would be very careful extending him now. To me that would be jumping the gun. The 11-1 start is nice, but we havent beaten a ranked team yet, and what will make or break this team is what we do from now until the end of the season.

I hope the success we have had continues, but would you guys REALLY be shocked if we were 1-3 after the first four BE games at SH, vs Nova & Butler and @ PC? (i dont htink we will be 1-3 but it wouldnt shock me)....and if that happens then this board will completely erupt.

The recruiting class for next year is also very concerning, coupled with the recruiting class we brought in this year, the extension isnt warranted yet.

So i think he should be evaluated at the end of the season....and we should move forward from there, but an 11-1 start with a win over a down syracuse team doesnt absolve an unacceptable 2014 & 2015 recruiting class.
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Have you watched this team play this year and their effort and execution (rhetorical, I know you've watched them)? Yes, I would be absolutely shocked if this team were 1-3 in league play.
 
We should all be so lucky if Lavin decides to stay here long term. We need him; it's not the other way around. He has learned coaching skills on the job and continues to excel in this area. His recruiting skills are just fine. Enjoy this season.
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Bring on Kentucky we can beat them!!
 
while I'd be perfectly happy if Lavin was going to be here another 10 years there needs to be recruits coming in next year for that.

If we made the ncaa's with a 1st round exit and no recruits on the horizon then as a fan I'm not going to be happy with the future.

That being said I hope Lavin kills it this year with our kids and lands a great or even very good late season recruiting class and gets a big extension when all is said and done because then our future would look better. But we need recruits on the horizon coming in better than Norm type kids for this type of money

That all;being said I'm just hoping for a continuation of a special year now for our current kids and us as fans
 
Why do some posters assume Lavin is such a caring person and is passionate about his players off the court? I'm not saying he's not that, but some posters on here talk like he's more ethical and cares more about his players than other coaches do. What makes you say that?
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1. Memories of Mike Jarvis
2. The way Rob Thomas was treated
3. D'Lo's suspension
are three right off the top.
 
Perhaps the thread I hated the most over the past year was the Fire Lavin thread. As a stark opponent of firing him, I made a few enemies on here as a result.

This thread is a not so distant second because it's premature and knee jerk
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Why? Title of thread is neutral.
 
Why do some posters assume Lavin is such a caring person and is passionate about his players off the court? I'm not saying he's not that, but some posters on here talk like he's more ethical and cares more about his players than other coaches do. What makes you say that?
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1. Memories of Mike Jarvis
2. The way Rob Thomas was treated
3. D'Lo's suspension
are three right off the top.
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+100000 on #3.
 
I would be very careful extending him now. To me that would be jumping the gun. The 11-1 start is nice, but we havent beaten a ranked team yet, and what will make or break this team is what we do from now until the end of the season.

I hope the success we have had continues, but would you guys REALLY be shocked if we were 1-3 after the first four BE games at SH, vs Nova & Butler and @ PC? (i dont htink we will be 1-3 but it wouldnt shock me)....and if that happens then this board will completely erupt.

The recruiting class for next year is also very concerning, coupled with the recruiting class we brought in this year, the extension isnt warranted yet.

So i think he should be evaluated at the end of the season....and we should move forward from there, but an 11-1 start with a win over a down syracuse team doesnt absolve an unacceptable 2014 & 2015 recruiting class.
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Coming form the guy who predicted 0 and 2 against Minn and Georgia, I am not surprised
Why don't "we: dismiss the start and think like"we" always do 1 and 3 start.
 
I say extend him. I was greatly concerned at the start of the season with a lack of player development and with Thomas and Adonis being ineligible. However, I have to admit I was dead wrong. Dom's success alone is enough to give me hope for some of the players riding the bench to make a jump next year to being contributors.
Also, Lav has a track record of picking up recruits late. If we continue with our on court success this year it can only help with recruiting.
I have a feeling that anyone that we want to potentially replace him wouldn't be willing to come here.
So again, I say extend.
 
I say extend him. I was greatly concerned at the start of the season with a lack of player development and with Thomas and Adonis being ineligible. However, I have to admit I was dead wrong. Dom's success alone is enough to give me hope for some of the players riding the bench to make a jump next year to being contributors.
Also, Lav has a track record of picking up recruits late. If we continue with our on court success this year it can only help with recruiting.
I have a feeling that anyone that we want to potentially replace him wouldn't be willing to come here.
So again, I say extend.
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He was FORCED to pick up recruits late to fill out the roster. And of the ones he picked up late this year one is long gone, another(Henderson) hasn't seen the light of day, and the other two have yet to prove that they can contribute at this level. So I wouldn't go overboard touting his late recruiting track record.
 
Why do some posters assume Lavin is such a caring person and is passionate about his players off the court? I'm not saying he's not that, but some posters on here talk like he's more ethical and cares more about his players than other coaches do. What makes you say that?
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We heard the same thing about Norm, and I'm sure its true. But at the end of the day none of that means anything if Lavin can't win consistently, and he has yet to prove that he can. IMO the season needs to play out before determining if he deserves and extension or not. Besides, he aint going anywhere so there's no rush.
 
Why do some posters assume Lavin is such a caring person and is passionate about his players off the court? I'm not saying he's not that, but some posters on here talk like he's more ethical and cares more about his players than other coaches do. What makes you say that?
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We heard the same thing about Norm, and I'm sure its true. But at the end of the day none of that means anything if Lavin can't win consistently, and he has yet to prove that he can. IMO the season needs to play out before determining if he deserves and extension or not. Besides, he aint going anywhere so there's no rush.
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He's not going anywhere now, but why are you so sure he won't be poached at the end of the season? If he maintains a top 15 ranking and makes a run to the sweet sixteen he will attract interest. The pressure is on the AD to keep this program moving forward. It will not be any cheaper to bring in a big name coach, which is the surest way to stay in the top three or four of this conference.
 
Why do some posters assume Lavin is such a caring person and is passionate about his players off the court? I'm not saying he's not that, but some posters on here talk like he's more ethical and cares more about his players than other coaches do. What makes you say that?
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We heard the same thing about Norm, and I'm sure its true. But at the end of the day none of that means anything if Lavin can't win consistently, and he has yet to prove that he can. IMO the season needs to play out before determining if he deserves and extension or not. Besides, he aint going anywhere so there's no rush.
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He's not going anywhere now, but why are you so sure he won't be poached at the end of the season? If he maintains a top 15 ranking and makes a run to the sweet sixteen he will attract interest. The pressure is on the AD to keep this program moving forward. It will not be any cheaper to bring in a big name coach, which is the surest way to stay in the top three or four of this conference.
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When Lavin took this job all we all talked about was how he coached in LA and a storied program like UCLA and now he's in NYC coaching SJU. With his 'actress' wife where else would he possibly go. This was going to be his job yadda yadda. And now you are seriously talking about him being poached? By whom? When ESPN ranked the top 50 coaches in college hoops he wasn't mentioned. They tacked on 25 honorable mentions and he wasn't there either.

If a random school like Wake Forest wants Lavin then they are nuts. Lavin is a personality and loves the big city. He's not going to Winston Salem to coach Wake Forest or Omaha to coach Nebraska. This is his last college job likely unless he wants to do a cameo back home for shits and giggles a few years from now.

Come back to earth please. I hate that I have to add a negative tinge to everything but some of the comments lately are ridiculous.
 
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