Cluess

[quote="JohnnyFan" post=341191]Agree we should kick the tires on Rhoades. Also, disappointed I am not hearing anything on Odom.

I am not outraged by Cluess, but prefer one of these experienced, up-and-coming coaches in their mid 40s.[/quote]

Odom recently turned down the Virginia Tech job, for what it's worth.
Frank Martin apparently has turned down the Cincy job.
 
[quote="P Simmons" post=341193][quote="JohnnyFan" post=341191]Agree we should kick the tires on Rhoades. Also, disappointed I am not hearing anything on Odom.

I am not outraged by Cluess, but prefer one of these experienced, up-and-coming coaches in their mid 40s.[/quote]

Odom recently turned down the Virginia Tech job, for what it's worth.
Frank Martin apparently has turned down the Cincy job.[/quote]

Could make the case the SJU job is a better job than VT. The ACC is brutal and Buzz a tough act to follow. If someone like Odom makes the tournament a few times with the Johnnie's, it could get him a bigger job.

By the way, at this point, I wouldn't mind being a stepping stone for a coach. It would mean we had some success and, as a program, we desperately need some momentum.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=341192]You guys are off base to think cluess is out there forever. I guarantee you iona is already strategizing.
What if they offer him 10 years at his option, 750 per now escalating to 1.25 with a 3 million buyout. He's rock solid there, finishes his career nicely and doesn't need the pressure of being fired here in 4 or 5 years .

Sju must move decisively or we will again look foolish.

On that matter, let cluess sign gsj as associate head coach for a guy who is a proven coach. If Tim has had enough after 5 or 6 years, we have our program set for a long time w a 35vyear old up and comer[/quote]

Why would Cluess sign that deal? He’s now represented. I would never let him sign if he was my client. Iona straightup took advantage of him last time when he entered negotiations pro se. He holds all the leverage there, and I’m sure he’s now been made aware that he has one of the worst contracts in college basketball.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=341199][quote="Beast of the East" post=341192]You guys are off base to think cluess is out there forever. I guarantee you iona is already strategizing.
What if they offer him 10 years at his option, 750 per now escalating to 1.25 with a 3 million buyout. He's rock solid there, finishes his career nicely and doesn't need the pressure of being fired here in 4 or 5 years .

Sju must move decisively or we will again look foolish.

On that matter, let cluess sign gsj as associate head coach for a guy who is a proven coach. If Tim has had enough after 5 or 6 years, we have our program set for a long time w a 35vyear old up and comer[/quote]

Why would Cluess sign that deal? He’s now represented. I would never let him sign if he was my client. Iona straightup took advantage of him last time when he entered negotiations pro se. He holds all the leverage there, and I’m sure he’s now been made aware that he has one of the worst contracts in college basketball.[/quote]

Doesnt matter what their offer is. Fact is they could offer it Monday and he could be locked up by end of day. It's going for a sure thing and why wait for a maybe if you were him.
 
At this point, only guy I would reach out to is Rhoades of VCU. I would definitely put a feeler out to him. Other than that, get the deal done with Cluess.

Pitino of course would trump all this but I can't even begin to figure that out.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=341156]Have to think Cluess coming down stretch is the guy. Add Borman, Rasheen Davis, another quality AC and go to work. Practical hire at this point.[/quote]

I'm hoping this gets done. That is a very good staff.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=341192]You guys are off base to think cluess is out there forever. I guarantee you iona is already strategizing.
What if they offer him 10 years at his option, 750 per now escalating to 1.25 with a 3 million buyout. He's rock solid there, finishes his career nicely and doesn't need the pressure of being fired here in 4 or 5 years .

Sju must move decisively or we will again look foolish.

On that matter, let cluess sign gsj as associate head coach for a guy who is a proven coach. If Tim has had enough after 5 or 6 years, we have our program set for a long time w a 35vyear old up and comer[/quote]. Good thoughts , Beast .
 
[quote="Marillac" post=341182][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=341178][quote="mkras99" post=341174][quote="Paultzman" post=341173][quote="mattc" post=341157][quote="Paultzman" post=341156]Have to think Cluess coming down stretch is the guy. Add Borman, Rasheen Davis, another quality AC and go to work. Practical hire at this point.[/quote]

Thank God for Mike Cragg. I mean seriously, what other AD in the country could've delivered TIm Cluess to St. John's. Masterful work here.[/quote]
I get it and frankly am disappointed in the way a lot of things were handled in the last week. I am assuming Cluess, but must say this process is so cloudy that nothing would surprise me including someone we are not even thinking about.[/quote]

Mike Rhoades?[/quote]

Only 46 and close to 20 years as head coach. My pick, but I also think Cluess can be successful here.[/quote]

Solid hire. Good basketball bio.

Why not Shaka Smart then? He’s on the hot seat and he admitted that. He seems more like a Big East guy than a power five guy to be honest. I love his style...just don’t think it works with most top 50 talent.[/quote]

Funny Nova and Marquette and GT think we are a power conference and stepping up to try and keep the big east this way. Remember that Fox deal is only 10 years. The old ACC does not like expansion, but the new ACC is a business and would love nothing more than to come in and take Nova and GT and split the conference in two and have all teams play each other 2x a year in their conference. have a playoff. That would give the ACC with its own network, an additional Fox deal..ooh my how would the big east survive then with no network, and no TV deal? you may get the mid major tag in a few short years..
 
[quote="tom bradley" post=341208][quote="Marillac" post=341182][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=341178][quote="mkras99" post=341174][quote="Paultzman" post=341173][quote="mattc" post=341157][quote="Paultzman" post=341156]Have to think Cluess coming down stretch is the guy. Add Borman, Rasheen Davis, another quality AC and go to work. Practical hire at this point.[/quote]

Thank God for Mike Cragg. I mean seriously, what other AD in the country could've delivered TIm Cluess to St. John's. Masterful work here.[/quote]
I get it and frankly am disappointed in the way a lot of things were handled in the last week. I am assuming Cluess, but must say this process is so cloudy that nothing would surprise me including someone we are not even thinking about.[/quote]

Mike Rhoades?[/quote]

Only 46 and close to 20 years as head coach. My pick, but I also think Cluess can be successful here.[/quote]

Solid hire. Good basketball bio.

Why not Shaka Smart then? He’s on the hot seat and he admitted that. He seems more like a Big East guy than a power five guy to be honest. I love his style...just don’t think it works with most top 50 talent.[/quote]

Funny Nova and Marquette and GT think we are a power conference and stepping up to try and keep the big east this way. Remember that Fox deal is only 10 years. The old ACC does not like expansion, but the new ACC is a business and would love nothing more than to come in and take Nova and GT and split the conference in two and have all teams play each other 2x a year in their conference. have a playoff. That would give the ACC with its own network, an additional Fox deal..ooh my how would the big east survive then with no network, and no TV deal? you may get the mid major tag in a few short years..[/quote]. Curious that you think only Nova and G’town would be the targets of the ACC or would accept a bid from them ? I’m not criticizing you nor insulting you . If it’s a Network situation , the NY Market is more important than Philly or DC or Milwaukee . Second , the recent defections of BC, Pitt, Notre Dame and Syracuse to the ACC hasn’t resulted in those schools bring anything but , mid pack or lower tier programs . I would bet money that Boeheim and Brey would jump back to the BE in a NY minute . There are even rumors that ND regrets their decision , made by the same AD who is still paying Charlie Weis Millions to NOT Coach the Irish . That AD isn’t there anymore ! ND football doesn’t belong in the ACC and it only plays a handful of league opponents anyway . Their FB program could affiliate in any Conference as a stand alone and still play other sports in the BE . The ACC wouldn’t allow it .
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=341156]Have to think Cluess coming down stretch is the guy. Add Borman, Rasheen Davis, another quality AC and go to work. Practical hire at this point.[/quote]

Feeling same way as you Paultz for a couple of reasons. First, don’t feel confident that we’ll have any success with any of the other candidates, and we don’t have the luxury of time. Second, not even sure that any of the other candidates are a much better hire than Cluess. So why waste our time if we’re not going after someone who is clearly far superior to Cluess? When Mullin resigned I wanted the next coach to be a home run. For a variety of reasons that ain’t happening. So now I’ve shifted my thought process to “who is safest bet”, and the one name that keeps coming up is Tim Cluess. Seems the same people who complain about our coaching situation since Louie, are the same ones who want us to take a bigger risk on the next hire. I understand the whole risk/reward thing, but at this point I’d be thrilled with a solid coach who wants to be here and who, provided he meets with success, will be here for the next 10-15 years. That’s Tim Cluess.
 
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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=341211][quote="tom bradley" post=341208][quote="Marillac" post=341182][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=341178][quote="mkras99" post=341174][quote="Paultzman" post=341173][quote="mattc" post=341157][quote="Paultzman" post=341156]Have to think Cluess coming down stretch is the guy. Add Borman, Rasheen Davis, another quality AC and go to work. Practical hire at this point.[/quote]

Thank God for Mike Cragg. I mean seriously, what other AD in the country could've delivered TIm Cluess to St. John's. Masterful work here.[/quote]
I get it and frankly am disappointed in the way a lot of things were handled in the last week. I am assuming Cluess, but must say this process is so cloudy that nothing would surprise me including someone we are not even thinking about.[/quote]

Mike Rhoades?[/quote]

Only 46 and close to 20 years as head coach. My pick, but I also think Cluess can be successful here.[/quote]

Solid hire. Good basketball bio.

Why not Shaka Smart then? He’s on the hot seat and he admitted that. He seems more like a Big East guy than a power five guy to be honest. I love his style...just don’t think it works with most top 50 talent.[/quote]

Funny Nova and Marquette and GT think we are a power conference and stepping up to try and keep the big east this way. Remember that Fox deal is only 10 years. The old ACC does not like expansion, but the new ACC is a business and would love nothing more than to come in and take Nova and GT and split the conference in two and have all teams play each other 2x a year in their conference. have a playoff. That would give the ACC with its own network, an additional Fox deal..ooh my how would the big east survive then with no network, and no TV deal? you may get the mid major tag in a few short years..[/quote]. Curious that you think only Nova and G’town would be the targets of the ACC or would accept a bid from them ? I’m not criticizing you nor insulting you . If it’s a Network situation , the NY Market is more important than Philly or DC or Milwaukee . Second , the recent defections of BC, Pitt, Notre Dame and Syracuse to the ACC hasn’t resulted in those schools bring anything but , mid pack or lower tier programs . I would bet money that Boeheim and Brey would jump back to the BE in a NY minute . There are even rumors that ND regrets their decision , made by the same AD who is still paying Charlie Weis Millions to NOT Coach the Irish . That AD isn’t there anymore ! ND football doesn’t belong in the ACC and it only plays a handful of league opponents anyway . Their FB program could affiliate in any Conference as a stand alone and still play other sports in the BE . The ACC wouldn’t allow it .[/quote]

The scheduling for the ACC is not what the core ACC teams like..Outside Duke vs UNC, they are the only two that play each other 2x a year..NC state, UNC, and Duke like the home and away conference play. If you add a couple more teams and split into two divisions like football is. They can play 2x a year. The core Carolina schools didnt really want expansion. They wanted to keep the conference tourney in the area and not rotate to Barclays, but now its a business, and they do what the money says to do. Then you have to consider strategy and what is the Big 10 thinking or the SEC? So there is no room for being complacent. ND football stays indy through 2037 now. Nova gets them closer to the NYC market and NYC people watch Nova..The garden is available to the ACC and so is barclays. So DUke, UNC, Nova can all schedule games in the garden or Brooklyn..
 
A coach as experienced as Cluess is set in his ways. He seems to be an excellent offensive coach. Not so on the defensive side. Defense wins games at this level. You better have a Golden State Warrior level of talent to think otherwise.
 
You all should listen to what Tom Bradley is saying. It’s not just about x and o , it’s about survival as a conference going forward and avoiding being gobbled up by man eater Power 5 conferences. All about big money , and they’re in our backyard at Barclays and MSG so we need to hire high profile ratings worthy coach.Hope there is the money for it but I’m sure Repole and other large donors understand the situation clearly. In that case a buyout of Cluess doesn’t make dollars and sense, spend your money on a bigger name!
 
[quote="Monte" post=341213][quote="Paultzman" post=341156]Have to think Cluess coming down stretch is the guy. Add Borman, Rasheen Davis, another quality AC and go to work. Practical hire at this point.[/quote]

Feeling same way as you Paultz for a couple of reasons. First, don’t feel confident that we’ll have any success with any of the other candidates, and we don’t have the luxury of time. Second, not even sure that any of the other candidates are a much better hire than Cluess. So why waste our time if we’re not going after someone who is clearly far superior to Cluess? When Mullin resigned I wanted the next coach to be a home run. For a variety of reasons that ain’t happening. So now I’ve shifted my thought process to “who is safest bet”, and the one name that keeps coming up is Tim Cluess. Seems the same people who complain about our coaching situation since Louie, are the same ones who want us to take a bigger risk on the next hire. I understand the whole risk/reward thing, but at this point I’d be thrilled with a solid coach who wants to be here and who, provided he meets with success, will be here for the next 10-15 years. That’s Tim Cluess.[/quote]

Monte, I like Cluess as a safe bet but he’s 60 yrs old and will not be here 10-15 years. I would take Cluess but only if our next coach is sitting on the bench next to him. At this point I would take a shot with a young guy like Scheyer and hope he’s a home run who be here 25 years.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=341220][quote="Monte" post=341213][quote="Paultzman" post=341156]Have to think Cluess coming down stretch is the guy. Add Borman, Rasheen Davis, another quality AC and go to work. Practical hire at this point.[/quote]

Feeling same way as you Paultz for a couple of reasons. First, don’t feel confident that we’ll have any success with any of the other candidates, and we don’t have the luxury of time. Second, not even sure that any of the other candidates are a much better hire than Cluess. So why waste our time if we’re not going after someone who is clearly far superior to Cluess? When Mullin resigned I wanted the next coach to be a home run. For a variety of reasons that ain’t happening. So now I’ve shifted my thought process to “who is safest bet”, and the one name that keeps coming up is Tim Cluess. Seems the same people who complain about our coaching situation since Louie, are the same ones who want us to take a bigger risk on the next hire. I understand the whole risk/reward thing, but at this point I’d be thrilled with a solid coach who wants to be here and who, provided he meets with success, will be here for the next 10-15 years. That’s Tim Cluess.[/quote]

Monte, I like Cluess as a safe bet but he’s 60 yrs old and will not be here 10-15 years. I would take Cluess but only if our next coach is sitting on the bench next to him. At this point I would take a shot with a young guy like Scheyer and hope he’s a home run who be here 25 years.[/quote]

If that’s the staff I imagine one of them is groomed to take over down the line. Need some succession planning in place.
 
I know this is crazy in the world of cut-throat collegiate athletics but......

You would think the Iona AD or president would cut Cluess a break on the buyout and let him go to his dream job considering he gave them a decade of unparalleled success and was a model representative of the school.

And even if they weren't that charitable, do they really want a pissed off employee still working for them?
 
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[quote="MainMan" post=341223]I know this is crazy in the world of cut-throat collegiate athletics but......

You would think the Iona AD or president would cut Cluess a break on the buyout and let him go to his dream job considering he gave them a decade of unparalleled success and was a model representative of the school.

And even if they weren't that charitable, do they really want a pissed off employee still working for them?[/quote]

Great point!
 
[quote="MainMan" post=341223]I know this is crazy in the world of cut-throat collegiate athletics but......

You would think the Iona AD or president would cut Cluess a break on the buyout and let him go to his dream job considering he gave them a decade of unparalleled success and was a model representative of the school.

And even if they weren't that charitable, do they really want a pissed off employee still working for them?[/quote]

Why would Iona do SJU a favor? Cluess signed his extension, he knew what the deal was. Plus if I am Iona AD why would you give your competition your coach, you may be in the same conference in a couple of years, and then you have to face him. Plus who is paying that discounted buy out?
 
[quote="otis" post=341167][quote="mattc" post=341157]
Thank God for Mike Cragg. I mean seriously, what other AD in the country could've delivered TIm Cluess to St. John's. Masterful work here.[/quote]

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Had Cragg had more $ to work with then he could have delivered a more attractive candidate.

Craig was merely playing the cards dealt him and following the directions provided to him by the StJ's Board of Trustees..[/quote]

Who would he deliver ? How much money does he need ?
 
[quote="MainMan" post=341223]I know this is crazy in the world of cut-throat collegiate athletics but......

You would think the Iona AD or president would cut Cluess a break on the buyout and let him go to his dream job considering he gave them a decade of unparalleled success and was a model representative of the school.

And even if they weren't that charitable, do they really want a pissed off employee still working for them?[/quote]

Cluess is not going to be a pissed off employee, He's either coming here:huh:, or he's getting an extension/raise from Iona. Why would they want to keep him if he's not going to be happy?
 
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