southernjohnny2
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Rick promises not to wear white suits in NYC, he says he knows better! Come on folks..here we go Ricky boy, here we go! Here we go Ricky boy here we go!
Cluess
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[quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=340467]All I heard this entire past season on this board was how terrible of a coach Mullin was. Wishing we’d get an X and O’s guy etc. He leaves and we hire one of the better in game coaches in the country and people complain.... gotta love this fanbase.[/quote]
What makes Cluess “one of the better in game coaches in the country” to you? His teams play one-on-one and shoot treys at outrageous clips. They don’t assist on many baskets (ranked #193 in the country and have a fast pace to make it worse).
He runs past teams with inferior talent. He did that at St. Mary’s with Danny Green and Diallo playing against guys not much better than some posters and he did it at Iona with guys like Momo, Machado, Armand, and Glover going up against players like Dixon and Mussini.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach at all, but I think people are being unrealistic with his style. He’s more Lavin than McKillop or Beilein.
What makes Cluess “one of the better in game coaches in the country” to you? His teams play one-on-one and shoot treys at outrageous clips. They don’t assist on many baskets (ranked #193 in the country and have a fast pace to make it worse).
He runs past teams with inferior talent. He did that at St. Mary’s with Danny Green and Diallo playing against guys not much better than some posters and he did it at Iona with guys like Momo, Machado, Armand, and Glover going up against players like Dixon and Mussini.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach at all, but I think people are being unrealistic with his style. He’s more Lavin than McKillop or Beilein.
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redfan259999888
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[quote="Knight" post=340462]I think Mullin has basically been lazy recruiting, the most important part of being a HC. Matt alone did a good job getting transfers. What happened to knowing where all the gyms were, the janitors, blah, blah, blah?
Great player, poor coach.
At least it appears Cluess has a track record. Let's hold him accountable if he fails.[/quote]
Knight let me ask you something ok?
Cluess is 72 right?
With everyone gone nex year, we'll win 7?
Tims first 3 years we'll suck, year 4 some what better but still no nit
Year 5 we'll make the nit
Year 6, we could make the ncaa tourny, but Tim will retire after year 5.
So lol, why are we even going after Tim?
Great player, poor coach.
At least it appears Cluess has a track record. Let's hold him accountable if he fails.[/quote]
Knight let me ask you something ok?
Cluess is 72 right?
With everyone gone nex year, we'll win 7?
Tims first 3 years we'll suck, year 4 some what better but still no nit
Year 5 we'll make the nit
Year 6, we could make the ncaa tourny, but Tim will retire after year 5.
So lol, why are we even going after Tim?
L J S A
Well-known member
[quote="Monte" post=340306]FWIW, since Louie there has only been one coach that my gut told me was a good hire, and that was Fran. My gut tells me that Cluess is a good hire. I’m going with my gut.[/quote]
Yeah, but was Fran a meat and beer gut, whereas this one is a svelte salad gut?:lol:
Yeah, but was Fran a meat and beer gut, whereas this one is a svelte salad gut?:lol:
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=340477][quote="Knight" post=340462]I think Mullin has basically been lazy recruiting, the most important part of being a HC. Matt alone did a good job getting transfers. What happened to knowing where all the gyms were, the janitors, blah, blah, blah?
Great player, poor coach.
At least it appears Cluess has a track record. Let's hold him accountable if he fails.[/quote]
Knight let me ask you something ok?
Cluess is 72 right?
With everyone gone nex year, we'll win 7?
Tims first 3 years we'll suck, year 4 some what better but still no nit
Year 5 we'll make the nit
Year 6, we could make the ncaa tourny, but Tim will retire after year 5.
So lol, why are we even going after Tim?[/quote]
Cluess just turned 60.
Great player, poor coach.
At least it appears Cluess has a track record. Let's hold him accountable if he fails.[/quote]
Knight let me ask you something ok?
Cluess is 72 right?
With everyone gone nex year, we'll win 7?
Tims first 3 years we'll suck, year 4 some what better but still no nit
Year 5 we'll make the nit
Year 6, we could make the ncaa tourny, but Tim will retire after year 5.
So lol, why are we even going after Tim?[/quote]
Cluess just turned 60.
[quote="L J S A" post=340478][quote="Monte" post=340306]FWIW, since Louie there has only been one coach that my gut told me was a good hire, and that was Fran. My gut tells me that Cluess is a good hire. I’m going with my gut.[/quote]
Yeah, but was Fran a meat and beer gut, whereas this one is a svelte salad gut?:lol:[/quote]
Well done! Hahahaha
Yeah, but was Fran a meat and beer gut, whereas this one is a svelte salad gut?:lol:[/quote]
Well done! Hahahaha
WillyDilly
Member
[quote="Marillac" post=340476][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=340467]All I heard this entire past season on this board was how terrible of a coach Mullin was. Wishing we’d get an X and O’s guy etc. He leaves and we hire one of the better in game coaches in the country and people complain.... gotta love this fanbase.[/quote]
What makes Cluess “one of the better in game coaches in the country” to you? His teams play one-on-one and shoot treys at outrageous clips. They don’t assist on many baskets (ranked #193 in the country and have a fast pace to make it worse).
He runs past teams with inferior talent. He did that at St. Mary’s with Danny Green and Diallo playing against guys not much better than some posters and he did it at Iona with guys like Momo, Machado, Armand, and Glover going up against players like Dixon and Mussini.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach at all, but I think people are being unrealistic with his style. He’s more Lavin than McKillop or Beilein.[/quote]
It sounds like you are just an all around miserable person. No matter what, you are going to find something to complain about. Give it a rest! Whatever happens is going to happen whether you support it or not, so you might as well just support it!
What makes Cluess “one of the better in game coaches in the country” to you? His teams play one-on-one and shoot treys at outrageous clips. They don’t assist on many baskets (ranked #193 in the country and have a fast pace to make it worse).
He runs past teams with inferior talent. He did that at St. Mary’s with Danny Green and Diallo playing against guys not much better than some posters and he did it at Iona with guys like Momo, Machado, Armand, and Glover going up against players like Dixon and Mussini.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach at all, but I think people are being unrealistic with his style. He’s more Lavin than McKillop or Beilein.[/quote]
It sounds like you are just an all around miserable person. No matter what, you are going to find something to complain about. Give it a rest! Whatever happens is going to happen whether you support it or not, so you might as well just support it!
[quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=340467]All I heard this entire past season on this board was how terrible of a coach Mullin was. Wishing we’d get an X and O’s guy etc. He leaves and we hire one of the better in game coaches in the country and people complain.... gotta love this fanbase.[/quote]
He runs 'n guns & that can't succeed, just cannot (he wins); he can't recruit (he wins) & he coaches at a weak mid-major level (he wins) & he gets jucos/transfers & second tier HS players (he wins).
He works hard & he wins; and develops players.
Bring it on.
He runs 'n guns & that can't succeed, just cannot (he wins); he can't recruit (he wins) & he coaches at a weak mid-major level (he wins) & he gets jucos/transfers & second tier HS players (he wins).
He works hard & he wins; and develops players.
Bring it on.
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redfan259999888
Active member
[quote="Moose" post=340473][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=340470][quote="Moose" post=340445][quote="tom bradley" post=340441]Here we go Ricky boy, here we go....here we go Ricky boy, here we go..MSG chant next season[/quote]
Check PM if you can[/quote]
hmmmm Now I'm wondering if Rick is coming.
Not the Tom Bradley quote but knowing that Moose pm'ed him.
Maybe telling Tom to pipe it down, that it has to be on the D/L until the time is right.
It's just how business is done.[/quote]
:lol:[/quote]
Yeah, I'm on to you slick
Check PM if you can[/quote]
hmmmm Now I'm wondering if Rick is coming.
Not the Tom Bradley quote but knowing that Moose pm'ed him.
Maybe telling Tom to pipe it down, that it has to be on the D/L until the time is right.
It's just how business is done.[/quote]
:lol:[/quote]
Yeah, I'm on to you slick
[quote="Eric Williamson" post=340482][quote="Marillac" post=340476][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=340467]All I heard this entire past season on this board was how terrible of a coach Mullin was. Wishing we’d get an X and O’s guy etc. He leaves and we hire one of the better in game coaches in the country and people complain.... gotta love this fanbase.[/quote]
What makes Cluess “one of the better in game coaches in the country” to you? His teams play one-on-one and shoot treys at outrageous clips. They don’t assist on many baskets (ranked #193 in the country and have a fast pace to make it worse).
He runs past teams with inferior talent. He did that at St. Mary’s with Danny Green and Diallo playing against guys not much better than some posters and he did it at Iona with guys like Momo, Machado, Armand, and Glover going up against players like Dixon and Mussini.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach at all, but I think people are being unrealistic with his style. He’s more Lavin than McKillop or Beilein.[/quote]
It sounds like you are just an all around miserable person. No matter what, you are going to find something to complain about. Give it a rest! Whatever happens is going to happen whether you support it or not, so you might as well just support it![/quote]
Thanks for the hot take. I am the last person defending every coach (but Norm). We NEVER learn. The grass is always greener.
What makes Cluess “one of the better in game coaches in the country” to you? His teams play one-on-one and shoot treys at outrageous clips. They don’t assist on many baskets (ranked #193 in the country and have a fast pace to make it worse).
He runs past teams with inferior talent. He did that at St. Mary’s with Danny Green and Diallo playing against guys not much better than some posters and he did it at Iona with guys like Momo, Machado, Armand, and Glover going up against players like Dixon and Mussini.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach at all, but I think people are being unrealistic with his style. He’s more Lavin than McKillop or Beilein.[/quote]
It sounds like you are just an all around miserable person. No matter what, you are going to find something to complain about. Give it a rest! Whatever happens is going to happen whether you support it or not, so you might as well just support it![/quote]
Thanks for the hot take. I am the last person defending every coach (but Norm). We NEVER learn. The grass is always greener.
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Cluess may work out just fine, but I'll never be convinced that Cragg handled this well. You force Mullin out the door and your only two options are Hurley and Cluess, the latter of whom you could hire next year if you're so inclined? This is laughable. I readily admit I don't know all the facts about how this played out, but from where I sit we look once again like a mom and pop store. You HAVE to have a plan B, and it looks like Cragg did not. What a friggin joke. I'm furious.
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redfan259999888
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[quote="Marillac" post=340480][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=340477][quote="Knight" post=340462]I think Mullin has basically been lazy recruiting, the most important part of being a HC. Matt alone did a good job getting transfers. What happened to knowing where all the gyms were, the janitors, blah, blah, blah?
Great player, poor coach.
At least it appears Cluess has a track record. Let's hold him accountable if he fails.[/quote]
Knight let me ask you something ok?
Cluess is 72 right?
With everyone gone nex year, we'll win 7?
Tims first 3 years we'll suck, year 4 some what better but still no nit
Year 5 we'll make the nit
Year 6, we could make the ncaa tourny, but Tim will retire after year 5.
So lol, why are we even going after Tim?[/quote]
Cluess just turned 60.[/quote]
oh nm, thinking back.
I know someone said someone was 72, thought it was cluess.
But thinking back i think coach k is 72 my bad
Great player, poor coach.
At least it appears Cluess has a track record. Let's hold him accountable if he fails.[/quote]
Knight let me ask you something ok?
Cluess is 72 right?
With everyone gone nex year, we'll win 7?
Tims first 3 years we'll suck, year 4 some what better but still no nit
Year 5 we'll make the nit
Year 6, we could make the ncaa tourny, but Tim will retire after year 5.
So lol, why are we even going after Tim?[/quote]
Cluess just turned 60.[/quote]
oh nm, thinking back.
I know someone said someone was 72, thought it was cluess.
But thinking back i think coach k is 72 my bad
redfan259999888
Active member
[quote="Marillac" post=340480][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=340477][quote="Knight" post=340462]I think Mullin has basically been lazy recruiting, the most important part of being a HC. Matt alone did a good job getting transfers. What happened to knowing where all the gyms were, the janitors, blah, blah, blah?
Great player, poor coach.
At least it appears Cluess has a track record. Let's hold him accountable if he fails.[/quote]
Knight let me ask you something ok?
Cluess is 72 right?
With everyone gone nex year, we'll win 7?
Tims first 3 years we'll suck, year 4 some what better but still no nit
Year 5 we'll make the nit
Year 6, we could make the ncaa tourny, but Tim will retire after year 5.
So lol, why are we even going after Tim?[/quote]
Cluess just turned 60.[/quote]
oh nm, thinking back.
I know someone said someone was 72, thought it was cluess.
But thinking back i think coach k is 72 my bad
Great player, poor coach.
At least it appears Cluess has a track record. Let's hold him accountable if he fails.[/quote]
Knight let me ask you something ok?
Cluess is 72 right?
With everyone gone nex year, we'll win 7?
Tims first 3 years we'll suck, year 4 some what better but still no nit
Year 5 we'll make the nit
Year 6, we could make the ncaa tourny, but Tim will retire after year 5.
So lol, why are we even going after Tim?[/quote]
Cluess just turned 60.[/quote]
oh nm, thinking back.
I know someone said someone was 72, thought it was cluess.
But thinking back i think coach k is 72 my bad
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greenranger14
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A lot of people ask me, ‘what people and which coaches have you learned the most from?’....of course everyone knows pop is one of the greatest coaches of all time and coach Williams one of the greatest college coaches of all time...and yes I’ve learned many things from both of them, among many other great players I’ve played with as well...but before you even get to this level, you have to have a mindset and certain habits instilled in you to become a professional, especially for the ‘non talented’ guys like myself...and this guy right here is the reason why Danny Green is Danny Green today...Coach Tim Cluess, a perfectionist at its finest, taught me never to be satisfied and to always want more out of myself, even on my best days...I’m never shocked at his success everywhere he goes, Bc of how he pushes his players and gets best version of each and every one of them...I just wish I were able to watch more of his games and vice versa...Thank you for everything coach and I wish you the very best in the future!
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greenranger14
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A lot of people ask me, ‘what people and which coaches have you learned the most from?’....of course everyone knows pop is one of the greatest coaches of all time and coach Williams one of the greatest college coaches of all time...and yes I’ve learned many things from both of them, among many other great players I’ve played with as well...but before you even get to this level, you have to have a mindset and certain habits instilled in you to become a professional, especially for the ‘non talented’ guys like myself...and this guy right here is the reason why Danny Green is Danny Green today...Coach Tim Cluess, a perfectionist at its finest, taught me never to be satisfied and to always want more out of myself, even on my best days...I’m never shocked at his success everywhere he goes, Bc of how he pushes his players and gets best version of each and every one of them...I just wish I were able to watch more of his games and vice versa...Thank you for everything coach and I wish you the very best in the future!
[quote="Chicago Days" post=340483][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=340467]All I heard this entire past season on this board was how terrible of a coach Mullin was. Wishing we’d get an X and O’s guy etc. He leaves and we hire one of the better in game coaches in the country and people complain.... gotta love this fanbase.[/quote]
He runs 'n guns & that can't succeed, just cannot (he wins); he can't recruit (he wins) & he coaches at a weak mid-major level (he wins) & he gets jucos/transfers & second tier HS players (he wins).
He works hard & he wins; and develops players.
Bring it on.[/quote]
Like you CD, I'll rather look at all the reasons Cluess can succeed here, not all the reasons he can't. Besides, every single potential coach comes with questions marks, even slick rick.
He runs 'n guns & that can't succeed, just cannot (he wins); he can't recruit (he wins) & he coaches at a weak mid-major level (he wins) & he gets jucos/transfers & second tier HS players (he wins).
He works hard & he wins; and develops players.
Bring it on.[/quote]
Like you CD, I'll rather look at all the reasons Cluess can succeed here, not all the reasons he can't. Besides, every single potential coach comes with questions marks, even slick rick.
If it is Cluess, I'm not exactly thrilled by the hire, but at least St. John's will finally have a real coach for a change. No more great recruiters like Roberts or Lavin and no more whatever Mullin was. Granted, SJU will probably be the worst defensive team in the Big East, but we will actually see drawn up plays. Pick and rolls and ball screens and all of the things we haven't seen for basically 15 years.
Put it this way. Cooley had a .571 winning % at Fairfield and never made the NCAA Tournament in 5 years. Cluess has a .648 winning % at Iona and has made the tournament 6 out of 9 years. If Cluess can be our version of Cooley, I'll gladly take that.
Put it this way. Cooley had a .571 winning % at Fairfield and never made the NCAA Tournament in 5 years. Cluess has a .648 winning % at Iona and has made the tournament 6 out of 9 years. If Cluess can be our version of Cooley, I'll gladly take that.
PharmDJohnnie11
Member
[quote="Marillac" post=340476][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=340467]All I heard this entire past season on this board was how terrible of a coach Mullin was. Wishing we’d get an X and O’s guy etc. He leaves and we hire one of the better in game coaches in the country and people complain.... gotta love this fanbase.[/quote]
What makes Cluess “one of the better in game coaches in the country” to you? His teams play one-on-one and shoot treys at outrageous clips. They don’t assist on many baskets (ranked #193 in the country and have a fast pace to make it worse).
He runs past teams with inferior talent. He did that at St. Mary’s with Danny Green and Diallo playing against guys not much better than some posters and he did it at Iona with guys like Momo, Machado, Armand, and Glover going up against players like Dixon and Mussini.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach at all, but I think people are being unrealistic with his style. He’s more Lavin than McKillop or Beilein.[/quote]
I don’t get why shooting treys at an outrageous clip, playing one on one and not assisting on baskets is a bad thing. I respect you Marillac, and I know you know what you’re talking about, but I’ve seen Iona play quite a bit these last couple of years. If you want to compare the run and gun style Mullin employed at SJU these past few years vs. what Cluess ran at Iona it’s night and day. Crisp cuts, actual set plays, a thing of beauty compared to how we played these past few years. It works. The guy wins on every level.
At St. Mary’s he did have way more talent than at other schools in the CHSAA (a few buddies of mine that played for Kellenberg during the Danny Green era can attest to that) but at Iona these past few years his teams in my opinion weren’t that much more talented than the other MAAC teams.
Add your boy Hsu and some other good recruiters to the staff and he’ll be fine.
What makes Cluess “one of the better in game coaches in the country” to you? His teams play one-on-one and shoot treys at outrageous clips. They don’t assist on many baskets (ranked #193 in the country and have a fast pace to make it worse).
He runs past teams with inferior talent. He did that at St. Mary’s with Danny Green and Diallo playing against guys not much better than some posters and he did it at Iona with guys like Momo, Machado, Armand, and Glover going up against players like Dixon and Mussini.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach at all, but I think people are being unrealistic with his style. He’s more Lavin than McKillop or Beilein.[/quote]
I don’t get why shooting treys at an outrageous clip, playing one on one and not assisting on baskets is a bad thing. I respect you Marillac, and I know you know what you’re talking about, but I’ve seen Iona play quite a bit these last couple of years. If you want to compare the run and gun style Mullin employed at SJU these past few years vs. what Cluess ran at Iona it’s night and day. Crisp cuts, actual set plays, a thing of beauty compared to how we played these past few years. It works. The guy wins on every level.
At St. Mary’s he did have way more talent than at other schools in the CHSAA (a few buddies of mine that played for Kellenberg during the Danny Green era can attest to that) but at Iona these past few years his teams in my opinion weren’t that much more talented than the other MAAC teams.
Add your boy Hsu and some other good recruiters to the staff and he’ll be fine.
[quote="mattc" post=340487]Cluess may work out just fine, but I'll never be convinced that Cragg handled this well. You force Mullin out the door and your only two options are Hurley and Cluess, the latter of whom you could hire next year if you're so inclined? This is laughable. I readily admit I don't know all the facts about how this played out, but from where I sit we look once again like a mom and pop store. You HAVE to have a plan B, and it looks like Cragg did not. What a friggin joke. I'm furious.[/quote]
I couldn't agree more. Maybe more will come out later, but on the surface, something was botched.
I couldn't agree more. Maybe more will come out later, but on the surface, something was botched.
we are sju
Active member
[quote="mattc" post=340487]Cluess may work out just fine, but I'll never be convinced that Cragg handled this well. You force Mullin out the door and your only two options are Hurley and Cluess, the latter of whom you could hire next year if you're so inclined? This is laughable. I readily admit I don't know all the facts about how this played out, but from where I sit we look once again like a mom and pop store. You HAVE to have a plan B, and it looks like Cragg did not. What a friggin joke. I'm furious.[/quote]
Spot on
Spot on