Cluess
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I think nobody being thrilled about Cluess is why he’s the best choice. We’ve hired based on emotion for too long. I’m starting to believe that Cluess is the right guy based on many of our fans reactions. We’ve hired sooo many non-coaches and he breathes basketball and SJU. Sometimes the best pick is right in front of you. If it wasn’t Cluess, SJU fans would still be scrutinizing every sideline antic of Hurley or whomever.
Danny Green’s endorsement wasn’t just token there. It was real. SJU fans have been disappointed for so long it’s all we know. It’s time for the fans to sit back and let a coach step up and earn some success. That’s the only point SJU fans will be happy. Wins...
Danny Green’s endorsement wasn’t just token there. It was real. SJU fans have been disappointed for so long it’s all we know. It’s time for the fans to sit back and let a coach step up and earn some success. That’s the only point SJU fans will be happy. Wins...
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400988530
Mullin vs Cluess. 12 3's vs 32
Mullin vs Cluess. 12 3's vs 32
[quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=340467]All I heard this entire past season on this board was how terrible of a coach Mullin was. Wishing we’d get an X and O’s guy etc. He leaves and we hire one of the better in game coaches in the country and people complain.... gotta love this fanbase.[/quote]
Cluess is a good coach at his current level. But, let’s not act like he is nationally recognized as one of the better in game coaches. He very well may turn out to be a good pick, but let’s not delude ourselves into believing that this is anything but a huge gamble.
He is 60 and is not going to change his style now. He will have the same trouble bringing in size as Mullin did. Bigs are not going to come to a run and gun guard oriented team. And recruits are not going to line up.
Cluess is a good coach at his current level. But, let’s not act like he is nationally recognized as one of the better in game coaches. He very well may turn out to be a good pick, but let’s not delude ourselves into believing that this is anything but a huge gamble.
He is 60 and is not going to change his style now. He will have the same trouble bringing in size as Mullin did. Bigs are not going to come to a run and gun guard oriented team. And recruits are not going to line up.
L J S A
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[quote="Adam" post=340500]People will feel a lot better once Cluess signs, hires some highly respected ACs, brings back LJ/Heron/others, and we see him and his staff recruiting all summer.
He's a good Plan B. Plan A wasn't worth the $$$. It happens.[/quote]
What are the chances that Repole pulled his money after we whiffed on his guy, so we then had to return to our cheap ways?
He's a good Plan B. Plan A wasn't worth the $$$. It happens.[/quote]
What are the chances that Repole pulled his money after we whiffed on his guy, so we then had to return to our cheap ways?
[quote="Andrew" post=340506]http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400988530
Mullin vs Cluess. 12 3's vs 32[/quote]
They outrebounded us, outassisted us and hit 10/32 3s while we went 0 for 12. Classic case of talent winning out - nothing to do w coaching in that one.
Mullin vs Cluess. 12 3's vs 32[/quote]
They outrebounded us, outassisted us and hit 10/32 3s while we went 0 for 12. Classic case of talent winning out - nothing to do w coaching in that one.
[quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=340495][quote="Marillac" post=340476][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=340467]All I heard this entire past season on this board was how terrible of a coach Mullin was. Wishing we’d get an X and O’s guy etc. He leaves and we hire one of the better in game coaches in the country and people complain.... gotta love this fanbase.[/quote]
What makes Cluess “one of the better in game coaches in the country” to you? His teams play one-on-one and shoot treys at outrageous clips. They don’t assist on many baskets (ranked #193 in the country and have a fast pace to make it worse).
He runs past teams with inferior talent. He did that at St. Mary’s with Danny Green and Diallo playing against guys not much better than some posters and he did it at Iona with guys like Momo, Machado, Armand, and Glover going up against players like Dixon and Mussini.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach at all, but I think people are being unrealistic with his style. He’s more Lavin than McKillop or Beilein.[/quote]
I don’t get why shooting treys at an outrageous clip, playing one on one and not assisting on baskets is a bad thing. I respect you Marillac, and I know you know what you’re talking about, but I’ve seen Iona play quite a bit these last couple of years. If you want to compare the run and gun style Mullin employed at SJU these past few years vs. what Cluess ran at Iona it’s night and day. Crisp cuts, actual set plays, a thing of beauty compared to how we played these past few years. It works. The guy wins on every level.
At St. Mary’s he did have way more talent than at other schools in the CHSAA (a few buddies of mine that played for Kellenberg during the Danny Green era can attest to that) but at Iona these past few years his teams in my opinion weren’t that much more talented than the other MAAC teams.
Add your boy Hsu and some other good recruiters to the staff and he’ll be fine.[/quote]
I bring up those stats because that is precisely what Mullin was criticized for.
I don’t think Cluess is a bad coach. I don’t even think he’s a bad hire under different circumstances. My issue is how Cragg embarrassed himself and the program for a slight upgrade. Cluess was always going to be there.
What makes Cluess “one of the better in game coaches in the country” to you? His teams play one-on-one and shoot treys at outrageous clips. They don’t assist on many baskets (ranked #193 in the country and have a fast pace to make it worse).
He runs past teams with inferior talent. He did that at St. Mary’s with Danny Green and Diallo playing against guys not much better than some posters and he did it at Iona with guys like Momo, Machado, Armand, and Glover going up against players like Dixon and Mussini.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach at all, but I think people are being unrealistic with his style. He’s more Lavin than McKillop or Beilein.[/quote]
I don’t get why shooting treys at an outrageous clip, playing one on one and not assisting on baskets is a bad thing. I respect you Marillac, and I know you know what you’re talking about, but I’ve seen Iona play quite a bit these last couple of years. If you want to compare the run and gun style Mullin employed at SJU these past few years vs. what Cluess ran at Iona it’s night and day. Crisp cuts, actual set plays, a thing of beauty compared to how we played these past few years. It works. The guy wins on every level.
At St. Mary’s he did have way more talent than at other schools in the CHSAA (a few buddies of mine that played for Kellenberg during the Danny Green era can attest to that) but at Iona these past few years his teams in my opinion weren’t that much more talented than the other MAAC teams.
Add your boy Hsu and some other good recruiters to the staff and he’ll be fine.[/quote]
I bring up those stats because that is precisely what Mullin was criticized for.
I don’t think Cluess is a bad coach. I don’t even think he’s a bad hire under different circumstances. My issue is how Cragg embarrassed himself and the program for a slight upgrade. Cluess was always going to be there.
Looks like a botched process by Cragg, maybe he is in over his head in the top stop.
One positive if Cluess: Its his dream job, unlike any of the other candidates.
Negatives: hes 60 and it looks like a 4 yr rebuild; his teams aren't good at defense; he wins at Iona by getting major conf transfers in to compete vs shit opponents.
I guess if it has to be him, first order of business should be hiring a good defensive coordinator and an experienced big time recruiter. Mike Rice is both but that obviously isn't gonna happen.
One positive if Cluess: Its his dream job, unlike any of the other candidates.
Negatives: hes 60 and it looks like a 4 yr rebuild; his teams aren't good at defense; he wins at Iona by getting major conf transfers in to compete vs shit opponents.
I guess if it has to be him, first order of business should be hiring a good defensive coordinator and an experienced big time recruiter. Mike Rice is both but that obviously isn't gonna happen.
[quote="Tha Kid" post=340509][quote="Andrew" post=340506]http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400988530
Mullin vs Cluess. 12 3's vs 32[/quote]
They outrebounded us, outassisted us and hit 10/32 3s while we went 0 for 12. Classic case of talent winning out - nothing to do w coaching in that one.[/quote]
I don't know. Same talent that lost at home a few weeks later to DePaul by 17. His biggest game of the season and his opponent shot 0-12 from 3.
Mullin vs Cluess. 12 3's vs 32[/quote]
They outrebounded us, outassisted us and hit 10/32 3s while we went 0 for 12. Classic case of talent winning out - nothing to do w coaching in that one.[/quote]
I don't know. Same talent that lost at home a few weeks later to DePaul by 17. His biggest game of the season and his opponent shot 0-12 from 3.
[quote="Tha Kid" post=340509][quote="Andrew" post=340506]http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400988530
Mullin vs Cluess. 12 3's vs 32[/quote]
They outrebounded us, outassisted us and hit 10/32 3s while we went 0 for 12. Classic case of talent winning out - nothing to do w coaching in that one.[/quote]
This was actually a blowout. We are up 20 with ten minutes remaining and started to skate. It could have been a 30-40 pt win if we didn’t have one of the worst shooting nights ever.
Mullin vs Cluess. 12 3's vs 32[/quote]
They outrebounded us, outassisted us and hit 10/32 3s while we went 0 for 12. Classic case of talent winning out - nothing to do w coaching in that one.[/quote]
This was actually a blowout. We are up 20 with ten minutes remaining and started to skate. It could have been a 30-40 pt win if we didn’t have one of the worst shooting nights ever.
[quote="Marillac" post=340515][quote="Tha Kid" post=340509][quote="Andrew" post=340506]http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400988530
Mullin vs Cluess. 12 3's vs 32[/quote]
They outrebounded us, outassisted us and hit 10/32 3s while we went 0 for 12. Classic case of talent winning out - nothing to do w coaching in that one.[/quote]
This was actually a blowout. We are up 20 with ten minutes remaining and started to skate. It could have been a 30-40 pt win if we didn’t have one of the worst shooting nights ever.[/quote]
I know. I remember and Mullin was coaching that team and not a knock on Mullin.
Mullin vs Cluess. 12 3's vs 32[/quote]
They outrebounded us, outassisted us and hit 10/32 3s while we went 0 for 12. Classic case of talent winning out - nothing to do w coaching in that one.[/quote]
This was actually a blowout. We are up 20 with ten minutes remaining and started to skate. It could have been a 30-40 pt win if we didn’t have one of the worst shooting nights ever.[/quote]
I know. I remember and Mullin was coaching that team and not a knock on Mullin.
[quote="Marillac" post=340510][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=340495][quote="Marillac" post=340476][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=340467]All I heard this entire past season on this board was how terrible of a coach Mullin was. Wishing we’d get an X and O’s guy etc. He leaves and we hire one of the better in game coaches in the country and people complain.... gotta love this fanbase.[/quote]
What makes Cluess “one of the better in game coaches in the country” to you? His teams play one-on-one and shoot treys at outrageous clips. They don’t assist on many baskets (ranked #193 in the country and have a fast pace to make it worse).
He runs past teams with inferior talent. He did that at St. Mary’s with Danny Green and Diallo playing against guys not much better than some posters and he did it at Iona with guys like Momo, Machado, Armand, and Glover going up against players like Dixon and Mussini.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach at all, but I think people are being unrealistic with his style. He’s more Lavin than McKillop or Beilein.[/quote]
I don’t get why shooting treys at an outrageous clip, playing one on one and not assisting on baskets is a bad thing. I respect you Marillac, and I know you know what you’re talking about, but I’ve seen Iona play quite a bit these last couple of years. If you want to compare the run and gun style Mullin employed at SJU these past few years vs. what Cluess ran at Iona it’s night and day. Crisp cuts, actual set plays, a thing of beauty compared to how we played these past few years. It works. The guy wins on every level.
At St. Mary’s he did have way more talent than at other schools in the CHSAA (a few buddies of mine that played for Kellenberg during the Danny Green era can attest to that) but at Iona these past few years his teams in my opinion weren’t that much more talented than the other MAAC teams.
Add your boy Hsu and some other good recruiters to the staff and he’ll be fine.[/quote]
I bring up those stats because that is precisely what Mullin was criticized for.
I don’t think Cluess is a bad coach. I don’t even think he’s a bad hire under different circumstances. My issue is how Cragg embarrassed himself and the program for a slight upgrade. Cluess was always going to be there.[/quote]
Is Cluess smart and flexible enough to run a style that fits what pieces he has? Or is he married to the run and gun style Iona has displayed?
Is he the kindve guy other coaches learn from on the clinic circuit?
What makes Cluess “one of the better in game coaches in the country” to you? His teams play one-on-one and shoot treys at outrageous clips. They don’t assist on many baskets (ranked #193 in the country and have a fast pace to make it worse).
He runs past teams with inferior talent. He did that at St. Mary’s with Danny Green and Diallo playing against guys not much better than some posters and he did it at Iona with guys like Momo, Machado, Armand, and Glover going up against players like Dixon and Mussini.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach at all, but I think people are being unrealistic with his style. He’s more Lavin than McKillop or Beilein.[/quote]
I don’t get why shooting treys at an outrageous clip, playing one on one and not assisting on baskets is a bad thing. I respect you Marillac, and I know you know what you’re talking about, but I’ve seen Iona play quite a bit these last couple of years. If you want to compare the run and gun style Mullin employed at SJU these past few years vs. what Cluess ran at Iona it’s night and day. Crisp cuts, actual set plays, a thing of beauty compared to how we played these past few years. It works. The guy wins on every level.
At St. Mary’s he did have way more talent than at other schools in the CHSAA (a few buddies of mine that played for Kellenberg during the Danny Green era can attest to that) but at Iona these past few years his teams in my opinion weren’t that much more talented than the other MAAC teams.
Add your boy Hsu and some other good recruiters to the staff and he’ll be fine.[/quote]
I bring up those stats because that is precisely what Mullin was criticized for.
I don’t think Cluess is a bad coach. I don’t even think he’s a bad hire under different circumstances. My issue is how Cragg embarrassed himself and the program for a slight upgrade. Cluess was always going to be there.[/quote]
Is Cluess smart and flexible enough to run a style that fits what pieces he has? Or is he married to the run and gun style Iona has displayed?
Is he the kindve guy other coaches learn from on the clinic circuit?
[quote="Adam" post=340500]People will feel a lot better once Cluess signs, hires some highly respected ACs, brings back LJ/Heron/others, and we see him and his staff recruiting all summer.
He's a good Plan B. Plan A wasn't worth the $$$. It happens.[/quote]
I will support any coach that shows the ability to land good players and who gives me hope for a tournament appearance. We have to stop firing coaches. The rebuild doesn’t stop at year three or four...the consequences can stretch out 8-10 years.
At least Cluess has a chance to start with a solid core in the grad transfer era. Wiliams, Roberts, and LJ are obviously huge.
He's a good Plan B. Plan A wasn't worth the $$$. It happens.[/quote]
I will support any coach that shows the ability to land good players and who gives me hope for a tournament appearance. We have to stop firing coaches. The rebuild doesn’t stop at year three or four...the consequences can stretch out 8-10 years.
At least Cluess has a chance to start with a solid core in the grad transfer era. Wiliams, Roberts, and LJ are obviously huge.
southernjohnny2
Member
When Norm was fired I was happy for a new beginning, then Lavin was announced and I missed Norm. Well not really but he could coach. When Lavin was let go, I was happy, then Mullin got the job, and I missed Lavin, when Mulkin was gone, I was happy, and if Cluess is hired, well I will miss Mullin.. the common denominator is we make horrible hires! I cant believe Cragg came out and said he wants an elite level program competing for championships. Well either he lied, or Cluess will not be hired
[quote="Marillac" post=340515][quote="Tha Kid" post=340509][quote="Andrew" post=340506]http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400988530
Mullin vs Cluess. 12 3's vs 32[/quote]
They outrebounded us, outassisted us and hit 10/32 3s while we went 0 for 12. Classic case of talent winning out - nothing to do w coaching in that one.[/quote]
This was actually a blowout. We are up 20 with ten minutes remaining and started to skate. It could have been a 30-40 pt win if we didn’t have one of the worst shooting nights ever.[/quote]
Shows what the stats and score can make it appear like if you don’t watch the game! Must not have seen that one.
I basically agree with what you’ve been saying Marillac. Cluess is probably a slight upgrade - I’d be shocked if he is a huge upgrade or downgrade - and there was no need to get rid of Mullin when we did to end up w cluess.
I will be content if we get cluess but have an ace staff - something like Borman hsu and GSJ.
Mullin vs Cluess. 12 3's vs 32[/quote]
They outrebounded us, outassisted us and hit 10/32 3s while we went 0 for 12. Classic case of talent winning out - nothing to do w coaching in that one.[/quote]
This was actually a blowout. We are up 20 with ten minutes remaining and started to skate. It could have been a 30-40 pt win if we didn’t have one of the worst shooting nights ever.[/quote]
Shows what the stats and score can make it appear like if you don’t watch the game! Must not have seen that one.
I basically agree with what you’ve been saying Marillac. Cluess is probably a slight upgrade - I’d be shocked if he is a huge upgrade or downgrade - and there was no need to get rid of Mullin when we did to end up w cluess.
I will be content if we get cluess but have an ace staff - something like Borman hsu and GSJ.
[quote="Desco80" post=340519][quote="Marillac" post=340510][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=340495][quote="Marillac" post=340476][quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=340467]All I heard this entire past season on this board was how terrible of a coach Mullin was. Wishing we’d get an X and O’s guy etc. He leaves and we hire one of the better in game coaches in the country and people complain.... gotta love this fanbase.[/quote]
What makes Cluess “one of the better in game coaches in the country” to you? His teams play one-on-one and shoot treys at outrageous clips. They don’t assist on many baskets (ranked #193 in the country and have a fast pace to make it worse).
He runs past teams with inferior talent. He did that at St. Mary’s with Danny Green and Diallo playing against guys not much better than some posters and he did it at Iona with guys like Momo, Machado, Armand, and Glover going up against players like Dixon and Mussini.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach at all, but I think people are being unrealistic with his style. He’s more Lavin than McKillop or Beilein.[/quote]
I don’t get why shooting treys at an outrageous clip, playing one on one and not assisting on baskets is a bad thing. I respect you Marillac, and I know you know what you’re talking about, but I’ve seen Iona play quite a bit these last couple of years. If you want to compare the run and gun style Mullin employed at SJU these past few years vs. what Cluess ran at Iona it’s night and day. Crisp cuts, actual set plays, a thing of beauty compared to how we played these past few years. It works. The guy wins on every level.
At St. Mary’s he did have way more talent than at other schools in the CHSAA (a few buddies of mine that played for Kellenberg during the Danny Green era can attest to that) but at Iona these past few years his teams in my opinion weren’t that much more talented than the other MAAC teams.
Add your boy Hsu and some other good recruiters to the staff and he’ll be fine.[/quote]
I bring up those stats because that is precisely what Mullin was criticized for.
I don’t think Cluess is a bad coach. I don’t even think he’s a bad hire under different circumstances. My issue is how Cragg embarrassed himself and the program for a slight upgrade. Cluess was always going to be there.[/quote]
Is Cluess smart and flexible enough to run a style that fits what pieces he has? Or is he married to the run and gun style Iona has displayed?
Is he the kindve guy other coaches learn from on the clinic circuit?[/quote]
He hasn’t had to adapt yet. He is a guy you pay attention to when he teaches. I’ll give him that.
What makes Cluess “one of the better in game coaches in the country” to you? His teams play one-on-one and shoot treys at outrageous clips. They don’t assist on many baskets (ranked #193 in the country and have a fast pace to make it worse).
He runs past teams with inferior talent. He did that at St. Mary’s with Danny Green and Diallo playing against guys not much better than some posters and he did it at Iona with guys like Momo, Machado, Armand, and Glover going up against players like Dixon and Mussini.
I don’t think he’s a bad coach at all, but I think people are being unrealistic with his style. He’s more Lavin than McKillop or Beilein.[/quote]
I don’t get why shooting treys at an outrageous clip, playing one on one and not assisting on baskets is a bad thing. I respect you Marillac, and I know you know what you’re talking about, but I’ve seen Iona play quite a bit these last couple of years. If you want to compare the run and gun style Mullin employed at SJU these past few years vs. what Cluess ran at Iona it’s night and day. Crisp cuts, actual set plays, a thing of beauty compared to how we played these past few years. It works. The guy wins on every level.
At St. Mary’s he did have way more talent than at other schools in the CHSAA (a few buddies of mine that played for Kellenberg during the Danny Green era can attest to that) but at Iona these past few years his teams in my opinion weren’t that much more talented than the other MAAC teams.
Add your boy Hsu and some other good recruiters to the staff and he’ll be fine.[/quote]
I bring up those stats because that is precisely what Mullin was criticized for.
I don’t think Cluess is a bad coach. I don’t even think he’s a bad hire under different circumstances. My issue is how Cragg embarrassed himself and the program for a slight upgrade. Cluess was always going to be there.[/quote]
Is Cluess smart and flexible enough to run a style that fits what pieces he has? Or is he married to the run and gun style Iona has displayed?
Is he the kindve guy other coaches learn from on the clinic circuit?[/quote]
He hasn’t had to adapt yet. He is a guy you pay attention to when he teaches. I’ll give him that.
I keep seeing talk about how we "got rid of Mullin", but I don't buy it. What other option was there besides extending him? Mullin didn't deserve an extension and unlike Lavin he didn't want to be here with only 2 years remaining. That's his choice but I'm glad he wasn't extended. I'd much rather have Cluess next year anyways.
Can anyone answer how you would've handled Mullin? Would you have extended him?
Can anyone answer how you would've handled Mullin? Would you have extended him?