Cluess

IMO, Cluess preferred style will give us more of the same.

When i look at Texas Tech i see a roster that SJ could recruit. Believe most were not top 50 players. But they played incredible defense, banged the boards and had some good offensive players.

Just don't see that being the type of roster that Cluess will recruit And certainly not the style of play that we'll see.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=340311][quote="Monte" post=340307][quote="sjc88" post=340305][quote="Chicago Days" post=340302][quote="sjc88" post=340299]I think Cluess is a good coach. However, he is a 60 year old and I just don't see him sticking around for the long term rebuild this is. We have become a perennial rebuild but next year is already a loss. This is the problem we have over and over. Three or four years odds are he retires and here we go again.[/quote]

Again, I prefer Hurley but Bobby would also be 'gone' in 4 years, off to a bigger State school or Duke.[/quote]

I agree. Neither is a great fit. If these two names are all we got we have nothing.[/quote]

“Great” ain’t walking through the door anytime soon. We’re going to have to settle for good-very good, which is still a whole lot better then 4 of our last 5 coaches.[/quote]

True. I would rather swing for a first time HC preferably an assistant who needs to prove something before finding an exit. Hurley would move to xyz state school in a couple years and Cluess I just don’t see him doing the dirty work needed. Long story short... we are screwed.[/quote]

I feel like Cluess gives us the best shot of both Ws and longevity. Even if we go the asst route, once that guy tastes some success he’s outta here.
 
[quote="Monte" post=340315][quote="stjohnschris" post=340310][quote="Monte" post=340307][quote="sjc88" post=340305][quote="Chicago Days" post=340302][quote="sjc88" post=340299]I think Cluess is a good coach. However, he is a 60 year old and I just don't see him sticking around for the long term rebuild this is. We have become a perennial rebuild but next year is already a loss. This is the problem we have over and over. Three or four years odds are he retires and here we go again.[/quote]

Again, I prefer Hurley but Bobby would also be 'gone' in 4 years, off to a bigger State school or Duke.[/quote]

I agree. Neither is a great fit. If these two names are all we got we have nothing.[/quote]

“Great” ain’t walking through the door anytime soon. We’re going to have to settle for good-very good, which is still a whole lot better then 4 of our last 5 coaches.[/quote]

great could actually walk through the door, but it won't happen because of a hypocritical SJU moral compass that gets a lot of run time on this board.[/quote]


I’m not the most moral of guys, I can tell you that. But I would take a “good-very good” upstanding guy over a “great” sleazebag any day of the week. Even if it means a few less Ws. Besides, no matter how much we may want it and talk about it, Pitino ain’t walking through the door. Besides he already shot himself in the foot with his comment about demanding an apology from federal prosecutors before even considering the St. John’s job. He lost me right there.[/quote]

Funny, that's exactly 'where' he lost me as well.
He dissed our school and revealed he truly is not interested in coaching us with that remark.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=340320][quote="Monte" post=340315][quote="stjohnschris" post=340310][quote="Monte" post=340307][quote="sjc88" post=340305][quote="Chicago Days" post=340302][quote="sjc88" post=340299]I think Cluess is a good coach. However, he is a 60 year old and I just don't see him sticking around for the long term rebuild this is. We have become a perennial rebuild but next year is already a loss. This is the problem we have over and over. Three or four years odds are he retires and here we go again.[/quote]

Again, I prefer Hurley but Bobby would also be 'gone' in 4 years, off to a bigger State school or Duke.[/quote]

I agree. Neither is a great fit. If these two names are all we got we have nothing.[/quote]

“Great” ain’t walking through the door anytime soon. We’re going to have to settle for good-very good, which is still a whole lot better then 4 of our last 5 coaches.[/quote]

great could actually walk through the door, but it won't happen because of a hypocritical SJU moral compass that gets a lot of run time on this board.[/quote]


I’m not the most moral of guys, I can tell you that. But I would take a “good-very good” upstanding guy over a “great” sleazebag any day of the week. Even if it means a few less Ws. Besides, no matter how much we may want it and talk about it, Pitino ain’t walking through the door. Besides he already shot himself in the foot with his comment about demanding an apology from federal prosecutors before even considering the St. John’s job. He lost me right there.[/quote]

Funny, that's exactly 'where' he lost me as well.
He dissed our school and revealed he truly is not interested in coaching us with that remark.[/quote]

Initially I was on board with hiring him, but after that stupid comment, and after giving it some more thought, it felt more and more like we’d be making a pact with the devil.
 
IMO, Cluess preferred style will give us more of the same.

When i look at Texas Tech i see a roster that SJ could recruit. Believe most were not top 50 players. But they played incredible defense, banged the boards and had some good offensive players.

Just don't see that being the type of roster that Cluess will recruit And certainly not the style of play that we'll see.

EDIT: with that said, if he is chosen i will get on board.
 
[quote="Section3" post=340316]IMO, Cluess preferred style will give us more of the same.

When i look at Texas Tech i see a roster that SJ could recruit. Believe most were not top 50 players. But they played incredible defense, banged the boards and had some good offensive players.

Just don't see that being the type of roster that Cluess will recruit And certainly not the style of play that we'll see.[/quote]

He may not 'teach' that style of play but I believe the gritty, hungry, under-rated kid who would thrive with good coaching is exactly the type of kid that Cluess will recruit, and if we get some solid AC recruiters, he may well get talented 3* / 4* players to take it to a higher level.
We shall see.
 
I can’t understand how you get rid of Mullin without at least a yes from a good replacement. This is an horrendous job by Cragg. 4 years later in the same boat Mullin was in when he got here. It will take 10 years, but we might as well hire a good and hopefully up and coming mid major coach, recruit tough, local 3 star players and rebuild.
 
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Wonder if Cragg even knew who Tim Cluess was before he came to NY.

Just odd to me that the only names being tossed around are one Dookie from NJ and a local success w/ connections to school. Not that they are bad options, but would have hoped we'd be thinking broader. Must really be a tough job to fill.
 
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[quote="BasketballJones" post=340327]I can’t understand how you get rid of Mullin with at least a yes from a good replacement. This is an horrendous job by Cragg. 4 years later in the same boat Mullin was in when he got here. It will take 10 years, but we might as well hire a good and hopefully up and coming mid major coach, recruit tough, local 3 star players and rebuild.[/quote]

But Cluess is a good mid-major coach. Granted he’s not young, but the flip side to that is that he’s not going be looking to jump ship in a couple of years. If he hires a competent young staff, IMO we’ll be fine.
 
[quote="BasketballJones" post=340327]I can’t understand how you get rid of Mullin with at least a yes from a good replacement. This is an horrendous job by Cragg. 4 years later in the same boat Mullin was in when he got here. It will take 10 years, but we might as well hire a good and hopefully up and coming mid major coach, recruit tough, local 3 star players and rebuild.[/quote]

We do not know who Cragg has spoken with. Even if Hurley were coming here I imagine it takes several days to hammer out the details of a multi-million dollar contract, I presume they could not even start that process until we actually had a vacancy. Why don't we hold off on the MC criticism until a coach is actually named.
 
Maybe we'd actually have a chance with CTK big men with Cluess and his ties. Honestly he's never won less than 17 games in a season no matter where he's been and in 12 total years coaching college hoops he has won less than 20 games in only 2 of them. One year was 17 and the other 19. Never had losing record anywhere.

I just worry about: age, lack of defense, and recruiting.
 
[quote="Section3" post=340316]IMO, Cluess preferred style will give us more of the same.

When i look at Texas Tech i see a roster that SJ could recruit. Believe most were not top 50 players. But they played incredible defense, banged the boards and had some good offensive players.

Just don't see that being the type of roster that Cluess will recruit And certainly not the style of play that we'll see.[/quote]

So, we are to be satisfied with waiting 4 years to hire a guy we could have hired 4 years ago when he was a more desirable coach and now, after he goes 17-16, has a disdain for coaching defense and is 60 years old we settle on him because he went to St. John's before transferring to Hofstra?
If our President is playing this game just to save money because he fcked up the Mullin hire, the Slice contract, failing to enhance St. John's academic reputation thus losing students, then we should cut his salary also. Doubt that would sit well with him.
Our support of this hire confirms that the Big East is slipping into mid major territory and solidifies the view of many that we have become a mid major basketball school.
Sorry, but if we are paying Mullin 4 million dollars I would have just kept him for year 5 while we got our house in order.
 
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Barring the heavens opening up amid lightening bolts and thunder claps, it looks like Tim Cluess will soon become our next HC.
Cragg gave it a good shot for BH, but ASU likely threw bags of $$$'s at him, time was short this late in the Spring, the roster was/is leaking, Scheyer was a riskier hire, and the 'list' wasn't 'that' deep.
So, Cluess is our 'consolation' prize but I think he'll succeed with the right Staff in place that I bet Cragg will help him assemble.
God knows, TC loves the game and works 12-7-4 and so will his Staff.
These are good things.
I'm very hopeful about our future.
Let's go Redmen.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=340334]Maybe we'd actually have a chance with CTK big men with Cluess and his ties. Honestly he's never won less than 17 games in a season no matter where he's been and in 12 total years coaching college hoops he has won less than 20 games in only 2 of them. One year was 17 and the other 19. Never had losing record anywhere.

I just worry about: age, lack of defense, and recruiting.[/quote]

Age?
You mean Cluess is 60?
Wow
So old
Start the carpentry for a coffin
A generation thing I suppose
Many of we “Baby boomer “ generation ( hate labels and generalizations) were 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 once
And for many
of us 60 is sooo young!
But then, a person - even a young poster - can’t buy experience, perspective, wisdom

It comes with time

Trust me - a young at heart and spirit Cluess is superior to any other based on the calendar alone

All the best to all of us and let’s keep the faith + give Cragg a chance and some breathing room for him to choose for all of us

And let’s get real
98% of us will root for St. John’s no matter who becomes the next coach
Of course we hope the choice is a winner!
 
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Why didn't we go after a guy that's been successful at every level of college coaching like Steve Alford? I'd prefer him over Hurley or Cluess.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=340338]Barring the heavens opening up amid lightening bolts and thunder claps, it looks like Tim Cluess will soon become our next HC.
Cragg gave it a good shot for BH, but ASU likely threw bags of $$$'s at him, time was short this late in the Spring, the roster was/is leaking, Scheyer was a riskier hire, and the 'list' wasn't 'that' deep.
So, Cluess is our 'consolation' prize but I think he'll succeed with the right Staff in place that I bet Cragg will help him assemble.
God knows, TC loves the game and works 12-7-4 and so will his Staff.
These are good things.
I'm very hopeful about our future.
Let's go Redmen.[/quote]


For the un-enlightened ( me ) what the hell is
12 7 4
Is that like a 7/11 thing where I can get coffee lol
Enlighten me please- I’m
Much too “old” to figure that out on my own
:)
 
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[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=340345][quote="Chicago Days" post=340338]Barring the heavens opening up amid lightening bolts and thunder claps, it looks like Tim Cluess will soon become our next HC.
Cragg gave it a good shot for BH, but ASU likely threw bags of $$$'s at him, time was short this late in the Spring, the roster was/is leaking, Scheyer was a riskier hire, and the 'list' wasn't 'that' deep.
So, Cluess is our 'consolation' prize but I think he'll succeed with the right Staff in place that I bet Cragg will help him assemble.
God knows, TC loves the game and works 12-7-4 and so will his Staff.
These are good things.
I'm very hopeful about our future.
Let's go Redmen.[/quote]


For the un-enlightened ( me ) what the hell is
12 7 4
Is that like a 7/11 thing where I can get coffee lol
Enlighten me please- I’m
Much too “old” to figure that out on my own
:)[/quote]

12 months a year 7 days a week 4 hours a day
 
[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=340345][quote="Chicago Days" post=340338]Barring the heavens opening up amid lightening bolts and thunder claps, it looks like Tim Cluess will soon become our next HC.
Cragg gave it a good shot for BH, but ASU likely threw bags of $$$'s at him, time was short this late in the Spring, the roster was/is leaking, Scheyer was a riskier hire, and the 'list' wasn't 'that' deep.
So, Cluess is our 'consolation' prize but I think he'll succeed with the right Staff in place that I bet Cragg will help him assemble.
God knows, TC loves the game and works 12-7-4 and so will his Staff.
These are good things.
I'm very hopeful about our future.
Let's go Redmen.[/quote]


For the un-enlightened ( me ) what the hell is
12 7 4
Is that like a 7/11 thing where I can get coffee lol
Enlighten me please- I’m
Much too “old” to figure that out on my own
:)[/quote]
Shews up at 12; leaves by 7; 4 days a week.
 
[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=340345][quote="Chicago Days" post=340338]Barring the heavens opening up amid lightening bolts and thunder claps, it looks like Tim Cluess will soon become our next HC.
Cragg gave it a good shot for BH, but ASU likely threw bags of $$$'s at him, time was short this late in the Spring, the roster was/is leaking, Scheyer was a riskier hire, and the 'list' wasn't 'that' deep.
So, Cluess is our 'consolation' prize but I think he'll succeed with the right Staff in place that I bet Cragg will help him assemble.
God knows, TC loves the game and works 12-7-4 and so will his Staff.
These are good things.
I'm very hopeful about our future.
Let's go Redmen.[/quote]


For the un-enlightened ( me ) what the hell is
12 7 4
Is that like a 7/11 thing where I can get coffee lol
Enlighten me please- I’m
Much too “old” to figure that out on my own
:)[/quote]

Sorry General!
I got that from a Mike Vacarro piece earlier about Cluess.
That's his motto that he got from his mentor, whose name escapes me 'Harris'??
Anyway, it means 12 months / year, 7 days / week, 4 hours / day that a coach works.
Sounds good to me!
Let's go Redmen.
 
[quote="simplyred" post=340348][quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=340345][quote="Chicago Days" post=340338]Barring the heavens opening up amid lightening bolts and thunder claps, it looks like Tim Cluess will soon become our next HC.
Cragg gave it a good shot for BH, but ASU likely threw bags of $$$'s at him, time was short this late in the Spring, the roster was/is leaking, Scheyer was a riskier hire, and the 'list' wasn't 'that' deep.
So, Cluess is our 'consolation' prize but I think he'll succeed with the right Staff in place that I bet Cragg will help him assemble.
God knows, TC loves the game and works 12-7-4 and so will his Staff.
These are good things.
I'm very hopeful about our future.
Let's go Redmen.[/quote]


For the un-enlightened ( me ) what the hell is
12 7 4
Is that like a 7/11 thing where I can get coffee lol
Enlighten me please- I’m
Much too “old” to figure that out on my own
:)[/quote]
Shews up at 12; leaves by 7; 4 days a week.[/quote]

Not quite, simplyred!
 
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