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Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=340259][quote="fan5577" post=340253]What is your take on this:

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So worst kept secret turns out to be Tim Cluess will be the next coach of @StJohnsBBall . I think this will be a tremendous hire to reunite a disgruntled fan base and get #sjubb back on winning track .Were getting a real solid basketball man with St.Johns roots. Back the hire![/quote]

If his track record over the last month is any indication then cluess will be Iona’s coach next year.[/quote]

Yea, and Naclerio's quotes means he is sniffing for an assistant's job.
 
[quote="mattc" post=340260]Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

It seems there are only two choices: Cluess and Hurley. It's not like Cragg is paying the salary, and it was said on here that Arizona St boosters stepped up big time. At a certain point Hurley doesn't become worth it.

End of the day most people on here would want Cluess if Hurley is too expensive and Pitino is too tainted (see all the Twitter polls with Cluess being the #3 choice). That to me seems like a good hiring.
 
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[quote="mattc" post=340260]Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

I agree and that is why I think there are other options out there being looked at that we are not discussing actively on this board.
 
[quote="Adam" post=340267][quote="mattc" post=340260]Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

It seems there are only two choices, Cluess and Hurley. It's not like Cragg is paying the salary, and it was said on here that Arizona St boosters stepped up big time. At a certain point Hurley doesn't become worth it.

End of the day most people on here would want Cluess if Hurley is too expensive and Pitino is too tainted (see all the Twitter polls with Cluess being the #3 choice). That to me seems like a good hiring.[/quote]

What do you think would make Hurley a better coach than Cluess? I'm just curious? 7 years ago he was an assistant coach at Wagner.
 
[quote="P Simmons" post=340268][quote="mattc" post=340260]Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

I agree and that is why I think there are other options out there being looked at that we are not discussing actively on this board.[/quote]

That's a possibility but I haven't seen any reasonable names floated (Billy isn't coming here). Would require some really outside the box thinking.
 
[quote="mattc" post=340260]Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

How about running his own show after 33 years and getting a shot at doing it before he is deemed too old - not to mention a bump in pay.
 
[quote="mkras99" post=340218]If Cluess is the hire, fine. But why the rush to hire a guy you can get any time you want?[/quote]
To stop the bleeding. We're free-falling into having no players...and a replay of Mullin's first year.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=340270][quote="Adam" post=340267][quote="mattc" post=340260]Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

It seems there are only two choices, Cluess and Hurley. It's not like Cragg is paying the salary, and it was said on here that Arizona St boosters stepped up big time. At a certain point Hurley doesn't become worth it.

End of the day most people on here would want Cluess if Hurley is too expensive and Pitino is too tainted (see all the Twitter polls with Cluess being the #3 choice). That to me seems like a good hiring.[/quote]

What do you think would make Hurley a better coach than Cluess? I'm just curious? 7 years ago he was an assistant coach at Wagner.[/quote]

I'd think that Hurley would get off to a faster recruiting start. He already has 2 four star recruits and some grad transfers who could end up here.

The biggest issue with Cluess is he has not been recruiting Big East level talent.

Don't get me wrong I'd be happy with Cluess, but would still prefer Hurley.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=340272][quote="mattc" post=340260]Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

How about running his own show after 33 years and getting a shot at doing it before he is deemed too old - not to mention a bump in pay.[/quote]
Personal reasons... He came in order to make a splash...then move on to one of the Ohio States of the world. He didn't realize St John's is the ultimate black hole.
 
[quote="Adam" post=340276][quote="Beast of the East" post=340270][quote="Adam" post=340267][quote="mattc" post=340260]Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

It seems there are only two choices, Cluess and Hurley. It's not like Cragg is paying the salary, and it was said on here that Arizona St boosters stepped up big time. At a certain point Hurley doesn't become worth it.

End of the day most people on here would want Cluess if Hurley is too expensive and Pitino is too tainted (see all the Twitter polls with Cluess being the #3 choice). That to me seems like a good hiring.[/quote]

What do you think would make Hurley a better coach than Cluess? I'm just curious? 7 years ago he was an assistant coach at Wagner.[/quote]

I'd think that Hurley would get off to a faster recruiting start. He already has 2 four star recruits and some grad transfers who could end up here.

The biggest issue with Cluess is he has not been recruiting Big East level talent.

Don't get me wrong I'd be happy with Cluess, but would still prefer Hurley.[/quote]

I'm a value shopper. $3 million per is a lot of money, and Cluess would weigh in at 1/3 that at most.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=340270][quote="Adam" post=340267][quote="mattc" post=340260]Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

It seems there are only two choices, Cluess and Hurley. It's not like Cragg is paying the salary, and it was said on here that Arizona St boosters stepped up big time. At a certain point Hurley doesn't become worth it.

End of the day most people on here would want Cluess if Hurley is too expensive and Pitino is too tainted (see all the Twitter polls with Cluess being the #3 choice). That to me seems like a good hiring.[/quote]

What do you think would make Hurley a better coach than Cluess? I'm just curious? 7 years ago he was an assistant coach at Wagner.[/quote]

I know you didn't ask me the question, but I agree with you Beast, in the sense that Hurley *may* have an edge, but he does not have so much of an edge that he should be commanding around $3 million a year vs Cluess at $1 million or so (presumably).

Additionally, Hurley would be under huge pressure to justify his pay here. Cluess will not have that added burden.

I still think there are other options being looked at and will be surprised if Cluess gets the nod, but would root for him completely if that happens.
 
[quote="mattc" post=340260]Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

How about leading a storied program back to greatness, and doing so by selecting people that he believes (right or wrong) give us the best chance to win? What the hell does "big time" even mean? We went "big time" last time around and crashed and burned. How about just trying to win anyway we possibly can?
 
[quote="Adam" post=340267][quote="mattc" post=340260]Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

It seems there are only two choices: Cluess and Hurley. It's not like Cragg is paying the salary, and it was said on here that Arizona St boosters stepped up big time. At a certain point Hurley doesn't become worth it.

End of the day most people on here would want Cluess if Hurley is too expensive and Pitino is too tainted (see all the Twitter polls with Cluess being the #3 choice). That to me seems like a good hiring.[/quote]

forget about any taint on pitino. if they could get him they should jump at it. He comes here, there will be no shortage of recruits and you will see us in the top ten. There is nothing to the charges against him or something would have come up by now
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=340279][quote="Adam" post=340276][quote="Beast of the East" post=340270][quote="Adam" post=340267][quote="mattc" post=340260]Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

It seems there are only two choices, Cluess and Hurley. It's not like Cragg is paying the salary, and it was said on here that Arizona St boosters stepped up big time. At a certain point Hurley doesn't become worth it.

End of the day most people on here would want Cluess if Hurley is too expensive and Pitino is too tainted (see all the Twitter polls with Cluess being the #3 choice). That to me seems like a good hiring.[/quote]

What do you think would make Hurley a better coach than Cluess? I'm just curious? 7 years ago he was an assistant coach at Wagner.[/quote]

I'd think that Hurley would get off to a faster recruiting start. He already has 2 four star recruits and some grad transfers who could end up here.

The biggest issue with Cluess is he has not been recruiting Big East level talent.

Don't get me wrong I'd be happy with Cluess, but would still prefer Hurley.[/quote]

I'm a value shopper. $3 million per is a lot of money, and Cluess would weigh in at 1/3 that at most.[/quote]

Without a doubt Cluess would be a better value, but I'm not a value shopper. :)
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=340279][quote="Adam" post=340276][quote="Beast of the East" post=340270][quote="Adam" post=340267][quote="mattc" post=340260]Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

It seems there are only two choices, Cluess and Hurley. It's not like Cragg is paying the salary, and it was said on here that Arizona St boosters stepped up big time. At a certain point Hurley doesn't become worth it.

End of the day most people on here would want Cluess if Hurley is too expensive and Pitino is too tainted (see all the Twitter polls with Cluess being the #3 choice). That to me seems like a good hiring.[/quote]

What do you think would make Hurley a better coach than Cluess? I'm just curious? 7 years ago he was an assistant coach at Wagner.[/quote]

I'd think that Hurley would get off to a faster recruiting start. He already has 2 four star recruits and some grad transfers who could end up here.

The biggest issue with Cluess is he has not been recruiting Big East level talent.

Don't get me wrong I'd be happy with Cluess, but would still prefer Hurley.[/quote]

I'm a value shopper. $3 million per is a lot of money, and Cluess would weigh in at 1/3 that at most.[/quote]

Now subtract 3,000 fans a game and $ for making the tournament year one and winning a game or two year two. Then figure in the
students that will go elsewhere because we don’t have a big time program.
 
I can support hiring Cluess as long as he brings in a dynamic staff.

That said, I also hope there are candidates we don't know about. After all, the coaching fraternity is a lot wider than just Hurley and Cluess.
 
For all of you still pining for Hurley after the Cluess hire is official, had he come here there is no way in hell he was going to be here very long. A couple of good years and one of the big state schools would have offered him double what we’d be paying him and he’d be gone. I’m not even talking about a couple of great years, I’m talking about a couple of years like he had at ASU. I’d rather the program take a little longer to be rebuilt, but be secure in the knowledge that the coach isn’t going anywhere.
 
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[quote="JohnnyFan" post=340286]I can support hiring Cluess as long as he brings in a dynamic staff.

That said, I also hope there are candidates we don't know about. After all, the coaching fraternity is a lot wider than just Hurley and Cluess.[/quote]

yes but what coaches want to come here? btw Cluess and his family have always loved st johns basketball. This is his dream job. He isn't coming here to go elsewhere
 
[quote="Marillac" post=340285][quote="Beast of the East" post=340279][quote="Adam" post=340276][quote="Beast of the East" post=340270][quote="Adam" post=340267][quote="mattc" post=340260]Just can't understand why Cragg would leave a great situation at Duke, a place he's been for thirty years, to come to St John's of all places just so that he could fire the greatest player in school history and ultimately hire Tim Cluess. A guy who literally would take the job at any time. That's not big time. That's mom and pop. This all makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

It seems there are only two choices, Cluess and Hurley. It's not like Cragg is paying the salary, and it was said on here that Arizona St boosters stepped up big time. At a certain point Hurley doesn't become worth it.

End of the day most people on here would want Cluess if Hurley is too expensive and Pitino is too tainted (see all the Twitter polls with Cluess being the #3 choice). That to me seems like a good hiring.[/quote]

What do you think would make Hurley a better coach than Cluess? I'm just curious? 7 years ago he was an assistant coach at Wagner.[/quote]

I'd think that Hurley would get off to a faster recruiting start. He already has 2 four star recruits and some grad transfers who could end up here.

The biggest issue with Cluess is he has not been recruiting Big East level talent.

Don't get me wrong I'd be happy with Cluess, but would still prefer Hurley.[/quote]

I'm a value shopper. $3 million per is a lot of money, and Cluess would weigh in at 1/3 that at most.[/quote]

Now subtract 3,000 fans a game and $ for making the tournament year one and winning a game or two year two. Then figure in the
students that will go elsewhere because we don’t have a big time program.[/quote]

"big time program", we don't have a relevant program and that has been true for 20 years. I would love to be relevant for a period of time for a change. We get to tournament then fire our coach, therefore zero consistency. Not to be nostalgic, Cluess reminds of Lou, down to his roots, and believe will get it done. He has adapted at every level to be successful, believe he will do at here too.
 
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