Cluess

[quote="Marillac" post=340120][quote="billthetruth" post=340116][quote="MainMan" post=340108][quote="Anthony Mattia" post=340102]
Why? This would be a terrible hire for St. John's if they want to have a nationally respected program. He is a no name outside of NY. You thought players knew nothing about Chris Mullin, well they will no even less about Cluess![/quote]

This is why you end up with Jarvis or Lavin or Mullin.

You win the press conference. You make a splash.

But the grinder. The guy who works non-stop to get the program better, who eats breathes St. John's basketball? That's a guy like McKillop or Beilein or, yes, Cluess.[/quote]

Terrific post Main Man

Guy is a winner at every level and will be at the Big East level.

I cant wait to revisit this thread in 2 years and get a chuckle over all the moronic messages posted in.

This guy is born coach. After 20 years of Mullin, Lavin, Norm, Mahoney, Jarvis and Fran, this would be an exciting era for SJU basketball.

No need to win press conferences, only games.[/quote]

Lineup the resumes of Cluess and Jarvis and tell me whose looked better at the time of hire.[/quote]

The real question here is lineup the resumes of Cluess and Bob McKillop.

Because McKillop (the boring, mid-major, whereTF is Davidson?, pre-Steph Curry, the fanbase can't rally around him, candidate) was runner up to Jarvis in '98 for the job.

How'd that work out?
 
So I don't have to read through a thousand pages, have we hired anybody or are we on the cusp of hiring somebody? Thank you
 
[quote="rawdognyc" post=340154]So I don't have to read through a thousand pages, have we hired anybody or are we on the cusp of hiring somebody? Thank you[/quote]

The answer is no and NO ONE knows what is going on
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=340143][quote="Marillac" post=340107][quote="Adam" post=340079]If Cluess is hired, can the fan base rally behind him?
[/quote]

There is literally no chance. His teams don’t D-up or board like many want. His teams jack threes and play one-on-one more than Mullin.

We will also suck next year if he is hired and are looking at a three-year rebuild. When have we ever been patient for that?

Hurley is the only coach that can unite 90% of the board 4 years from now, but that ship has sailed. The Cluess era has begun.[/quote]

I still want Hurley and I'm not saying that Cluess is the '2nd Coming' but Iona last year was 2nd in 3-pt %, 1st in 2-pt %-age, 1st in FT %, 9th in DRB, 1st in ORB, 1st in TRB, 5th in Assists, 6th in Steals, and 6th in Blocks...with a roster in which 9 guys played at least 10 MPG.
If he can convert that to the BEC, I'd take it.
Not bad.[/quote]

All great stats, but you forgot to mention the team finished 17-16
 
[quote="Anthony Mattia" post=340163][quote="Chicago Days" post=340143][quote="Marillac" post=340107][quote="Adam" post=340079]If Cluess is hired, can the fan base rally behind him?
[/quote]

There is literally no chance. His teams don’t D-up or board like many want. His teams jack threes and play one-on-one more than Mullin.

We will also suck next year if he is hired and are looking at a three-year rebuild. When have we ever been patient for that?

Hurley is the only coach that can unite 90% of the board 4 years from now, but that ship has sailed. The Cluess era has begun.[/quote]

I still want Hurley and I'm not saying that Cluess is the '2nd Coming' but Iona last year was 2nd in 3-pt %, 1st in 2-pt %-age, 1st in FT %, 9th in DRB, 1st in ORB, 1st in TRB, 5th in Assists, 6th in Steals, and 6th in Blocks...with a roster in which 9 guys played at least 10 MPG.
If he can convert that to the BEC, I'd take it.
Not bad.[/quote]

All great stats, but you forgot to mention the team finished 17-16[/quote]

Actually, my apologies, 3rd in 3-pt % at 36.5% for the team, with his 2 best players from the prior year gone.
Again, I'll take that.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=340143][quote="Marillac" post=340107][quote="Adam" post=340079]If Cluess is hired, can the fan base rally behind him?
[/quote]

There is literally no chance. His teams don’t D-up or board like many want. His teams jack threes and play one-on-one more than Mullin.

We will also suck next year if he is hired and are looking at a three-year rebuild. When have we ever been patient for that?

Hurley is the only coach that can unite 90% of the board 4 years from now, but that ship has sailed. The Cluess era has begun.[/quote]

I still want Hurley and I'm not saying that Cluess is the '2nd Coming' but Iona last year was 2nd in 3-pt %, 1st in 2-pt %-age, 1st in FT %, 9th in DRB, 1st in ORB, 1st in TRB, 5th in Assists, 6th in Steals, and 6th in Blocks...with a roster in which 9 guys played at least 10 MPG.
If he can convert that to the BEC, I'd take it.
Not bad.[/quote]

Iona last year was #269 in offensive rebounding (just 16 more boards than us) and #193 in assists.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=340172][quote="Chicago Days" post=340143][quote="Marillac" post=340107][quote="Adam" post=340079]If Cluess is hired, can the fan base rally behind him?
[/quote]

There is literally no chance. His teams don’t D-up or board like many want. His teams jack threes and play one-on-one more than Mullin.

We will also suck next year if he is hired and are looking at a three-year rebuild. When have we ever been patient for that?

Hurley is the only coach that can unite 90% of the board 4 years from now, but that ship has sailed. The Cluess era has begun.[/quote]

I still want Hurley and I'm not saying that Cluess is the '2nd Coming' but Iona last year was 2nd in 3-pt %, 1st in 2-pt %-age, 1st in FT %, 9th in DRB, 1st in ORB, 1st in TRB, 5th in Assists, 6th in Steals, and 6th in Blocks...with a roster in which 9 guys played at least 10 MPG.
If he can convert that to the BEC, I'd take it.
Not bad.[/quote]

Iona last year was #269 in offensive rebounding (just 16 more boards than us) and #193 in assists.[/quote]

Iona has made its tournament championship game 8 of 9 seasons he has been coach and has won the last 4 championships, but who cares because they finished 269 in offensive rebounds last year.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=340172][quote="Chicago Days" post=340143][quote="Marillac" post=340107][quote="Adam" post=340079]If Cluess is hired, can the fan base rally behind him?
[/quote]

There is literally no chance. His teams don’t D-up or board like many want. His teams jack threes and play one-on-one more than Mullin.

We will also suck next year if he is hired and are looking at a three-year rebuild. When have we ever been patient for that?

Hurley is the only coach that can unite 90% of the board 4 years from now, but that ship has sailed. The Cluess era has begun.[/quote]

I still want Hurley and I'm not saying that Cluess is the '2nd Coming' but Iona last year was 2nd in 3-pt %, 1st in 2-pt %-age, 1st in FT %, 9th in DRB, 1st in ORB, 1st in TRB, 5th in Assists, 6th in Steals, and 6th in Blocks...with a roster in which 9 guys played at least 10 MPG.
If he can convert that to the BEC, I'd take it.
Not bad.[/quote]

Iona last year was #269 in offensive rebounding (just 16 more boards than us) and #193 in assists.[/quote]

Right, but #1 - #3 in their conference, which means he gets the players he needs to beat his competition, as you said earlier.
I'm hopeful he can do that at SJU as well, with help from a couple high-powered ACs that I'm sure Cragg has in mind.
Again, Tim ain't the '2nd Coming', but I do think he's a good and very hardworking coach and has been successful in developing players.
We shall see.
 
Right after our loss to ASU, we were all calling for Mullin's head. The majority of fans agreed that it was time to move on. Now that we may potentially have a new coach, the attitude is, "I cannot believe that Cragg forced out a legend to hire this guy"

It was probably the fans more than anything else that 'forced' Mullin out, and truthfully, does anyone actually know how it all went down anyways? They wanted a change, and they got it. As far as who we may hire, people on this board are acting like we are a perennial top 25 team, and there should be coaches just lining up for the opportunity to be here. But guess what....they aren't. This job isn't as glamorous as many people may want to think it is. I know we have the glory days of the 80's to look back on, but in reality, we really haven't been all that relevant in the world of college basketball in about 20years. That doesn't mean that we should just settle for anyone, but it also doesn't mean that we should be able to just get anyone we want.

As far as Cluess (if he is indeed the choice), I don't think we could find a better coach, considering our current situation. He's a local guy, he's a hard worker, he's experienced, he's well liked among local coaches, and he wins...which are all things this board has been asking for from their coach. People are begging for Hurley, but he is just as much a question mark as anyone else. He had a few good years in buffalo and two solid years at ASU. But if this fan base has shown anything, it's that a 21-12 record or around there and a tournament appearance just isn't acceptable.

And if Cluess is hired and he has some success, whenever he decides to retire, this job will be alot more desirable, and we will have coaches lined up at our door trying to get hired.
 
his teams play a brand of best basketball that is the norm in the NBA these days nd loved by most young kids, but unlike Mullin's teams his squads run multiple screens and not just 5 men out.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=340004][quote="SJU61982" post=339871][quote="mkras99" post=339865]https://nypost.com/2019/04/11/tim-cluess-momentum-to-st-johns-grows-amid-bobby-hurley-obstacles/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons[/quote]

If this happens, I'm going to be one of the few guys left on this board. I'd love this hire.

We've got to be Providence or Seton Hall, before we can become Villanova, and this move would get us on that track.[/quote]

I played sports for years and have been watching sports for a very, very, long time and this isn't actually true. If a fortune teller told me that we'll soon be VIllanova after being Providence or Seton Hall, then I'd immediately sign up for it. But the notion we have to be those teams before we're Villanova isn't written anywhere, as well as it being a misnomer.[/quote]
That’s proven by the fact that Providence and Seton Hall are still Providence and Seton Hall. They haven’t become Nova.
 
He’s been a winner at every level, and for a very long time. And he’s never been fired. And while that doesn’t guarantee that he’ll be a winner here, it sure as hell makes the likelihood pretty damn good. Not a sexy hire, and not a sure thing(only Pitino is a sure thing), but a solid hire IMO.
 
[quote="Brian W." post=340053][quote="JC3" post=339964]We are hiring a 60 year old MAAC coach and paying Iona 7 figures to have that privilege. Kill me now.[/quote]

And he'll be starting from scratch considering our current (and ongoing) exodus of players.

Just think: a little over a week ago we had a coach who did everything he said he would do, improved every year, won 20 games, got us in the dance and is considered an SJU great. He loved SJU and was not here for status or to use the school as a stepping stone. We had 3 quality BE players returning (Simon, Figs and Heron). We had a decent PG coming with Cam Mack, plus Tabor the next year. Some quality transfers like Manuel. We had something resembling a bench in Roberts and Williams. We would have been contenders next year. Plus there are now some transfers on the market who have become unexpectedly available.

But our asinine fanbase had to run another coach out of town with a constant vigil of social media vitriol and harassment. The same fanbase that does the same thing every 4 years. The fanbase that drew ire from Shamorie and Cam Macks mother twitter just recently. Why? Now we have NOTHING. And we're staring IONA in the face to come help us. All we had to do was leave well enough alone.[/quote]
Some picked us to win the BE this past season. Most picked us to finish top 3. “Well enough” is 7th place?
 
Cluess is all meat and potatoes. No bullish from him. He will coach each kid hard. I think SJU deserves someone of his pedigree. Will he adjust his style to fit better a conference? Can he get talent?
 
[quote="billthetruth" post=340182]his teams play a brand of best basketball that is the norm in the NBA these days nd loved by most young kids, but unlike Mullin's teams his squads run multiple screens and not just 5 men out.[/quote]

If Cluess becomes our HC, he'll win here.
Just know it.
As Monte and other have said, "he's been a winner on every level he's coached."
Why not here?
Just our 'luck'?!!?
Lol.
Joking, he'll do it here also.
Let's hope.
And btw, a great 3/2017 NYPost piece by the great Vaccaro about Cluess that MarkRedman shared.
 
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