UC_Bearcats
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Cincinnati- 6 Final Fours and 2 National Championships
St. Johns- 2 Final Fours and 0 National Championships
Oh and this,http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28116552/ns/sports-college_basketball/
Chris Obekpa
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Cincinnati- 6 Final Fours and 2 National Championships
St. Johns- 2 Final Fours and 0 National Championships
Oh and this,http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28116552/ns/sports-college_basketball/
UC_Bearcats
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Irrelevant may have been a bit too harsh but St. Johns has reached 8 NCAA tournaments and 2 Elite 8's since 1990 (they did have a good run in the mid/late 80's) while Cincinnati has reached 16 NCAA tournaments, 3 Elite 8's and a Final Four in the same period.
Umm, the coaching staff is pretty impressive now and they are about to help get Mo into the 1st round after 1year..... http://redmen.com/forum/4-redmentalk/14733-coaching-staff-experience-and-accolades.html
And playing in MSG where you share the lockers of Melo, Stat, and Chandler?? Come on now....
Cincy Bearcats irrelevant and unknown for basketball??? Does the name Oscar Robertson mean anything to anyone here. Does back to back NCAA championships in basketball, in years when Ohio State started 5 future NBA all-stars (Havelichk, Sigfreid etc) ,with Bobby Knight coming off the bench mean anything to anyone? I guess not. I know it's "ancient" history but we have been living off that for 12 years now. Let's show some respect for a school that produced all time greatness along with others like ourselves. They have been among the greatest of all time.
UC_Bearcats
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The point of my posting on this board was not to criticize St. Johns, I made a sort of what I thought was a tongue and cheek comment about his "handlers landing a better deal from St. Johns" and then some posters went on to criticize what is one of the better college basketball programs of all time.
Oh, and add Jerry Lucas to that Ohio State lineup. We, StJ almost, and should have beat them when they were #1 in the Garden but that's another story you might ask Willie Hall!. BUT, Cincy won the NCAA's both years that OSU fielded that lineupof super players; to that point, arguably, the greatest starting 5 in college basketball history.
No one knew it was a facetious post. So, how do you expect fans, on a St. John's board, to react to such post?
Quite frankly, most of the fans who responded to your post acted fairly cordial. You probably would've gotten much more venom spewed at you on most boards.
buckethead
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i am not sure where some people get their views of cinci, noth the city and the program. I stand by my earlier statement that as a parent, the recent incident, combined with the debacle last season would give me pause. However people who don't know cinci should try visiting it sometime. It may not have as many attractions as nyv but it is a nice city as long as you avoid certain areas. The same can be said for NYC. They have a rich history if you are a college bball fan or an mlb fan. I will leave the topic of the NFL's Cinci Bungles alone. UThere are great places to eat, numerous side trips you can make easily in a weekend...by car or plane...to places like chicago, louisville, nashville, memphis etc...
The program itself is rich in history but just like SJU many may not realize this because programs like cuse and uconn have outshone us for the past decade. Mick cronin has done a great job despite the stupidity a tthe game earlier this season. He took over a position that wasn't as difficult as Norm's who was trying to clean up someone else's mess, but was still challenging as he was trying to replace a legend that many fans didn't want to see go. There were quite a few angry bearcat fans where i work when huggy was let go. Maybe zags is just sensationalizing what effect the most recent incident has had, but could it be a factor...i think so.
For the record whoever posted earlier on that Cinci and Dayton are dumps...you did get it half right. I hate Dayton...worst year of my work career was spent down there and i am pretty sure if they ever closed wright patterson afb that city would shrivel up and die. I like cinci though...minus the zoo and that#%&* they call chili.
The program itself is rich in history but just like SJU many may not realize this because programs like cuse and uconn have outshone us for the past decade. Mick cronin has done a great job despite the stupidity a tthe game earlier this season. He took over a position that wasn't as difficult as Norm's who was trying to clean up someone else's mess, but was still challenging as he was trying to replace a legend that many fans didn't want to see go. There were quite a few angry bearcat fans where i work when huggy was let go. Maybe zags is just sensationalizing what effect the most recent incident has had, but could it be a factor...i think so.
For the record whoever posted earlier on that Cinci and Dayton are dumps...you did get it half right. I hate Dayton...worst year of my work career was spent down there and i am pretty sure if they ever closed wright patterson afb that city would shrivel up and die. I like cinci though...minus the zoo and that#%&* they call chili.
UC_Bearcats
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I am not familiar with Norm's rebuilding situation, but I think Mick Cronin has had the hardest rebuilding job in the nation and the only one that I know of that rivals it is Crean at Indiana. The difference is Indiana's fans remained incredibly loyal and he didn't have to clean up the graduation issues. Cronin started with an NAIA transfer, a walk on, a football player (Connor Barwin who now plays for the Texans) and one decent JUCO. It is remarkable what has been done.
Well, in the last three years Lav has signed or gotten tranfers from 10 RSCI top 100's, Cincy 1. Plus Lavin signed 2 Juco AA's. I admire the job Cronin has done, despite the fact that the three top 100 bigs he's had on the team the past few years have regressed, but as far a recruiting goes its not really a fair fight.
UC find something better to do with your time. Nobody address that herb that comment made about handlers was agregious and then passing it off as a joke is a coward move. At least stand by what you say. We should be striving to be like the Kentuckys and Dukes of the world not the Cincinatti's who have a bunch of thug players with moderate talent. Dont look at the bad ones I always say, look at the good ones.
UC_Bearcats
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Cluelessness at it's finest, you might want to at least win a national title before even being in the group with Duke and Kentucky. Oh BTW, Cincinnati has won 2 of them.
Save The Hero
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UC why are you here badmouthing St. John's, picking arguments and inciting board members. I dont remember the guys here badmouthing UC so why must you feel the need to do this?
Unlike you guys, we treat other Big East schools with respect, and don't go badmouthing them over sour grapes at every opportunity. I've seen some of the ignorant posts on BearcatTalk and other UC forums, and although some St. John's fans have commented on the bs that has been spewing over there, most have been very pleasant to you guys here and there. We ask nothing more but the same back.
I suggest some growing up. You are here to arguing over a 17 year old kid after all. How sad does that sound?
Unlike you guys, we treat other Big East schools with respect, and don't go badmouthing them over sour grapes at every opportunity. I've seen some of the ignorant posts on BearcatTalk and other UC forums, and although some St. John's fans have commented on the bs that has been spewing over there, most have been very pleasant to you guys here and there. We ask nothing more but the same back.
I suggest some growing up. You are here to arguing over a 17 year old kid after all. How sad does that sound?
Northern Storm
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Why is this thread being dominated by some guy who is a fan of another team, that no one here cares about? Just ignore him, and maybe he'll finally go away like Bob Huggins did.
Two quick points:
1) Thuggins didn't go away. He drove away from Cincy, drunk of course.
2) I travel a great deal to Ohio for work. Mostly Columbus and Cincy. Columbus is a neat town with lots of stuff to do.
Cincy, well...it's about 2 hours from Columbus that's about the best thing I can say about it. I think our UC visitor has to pick a fights with our board because in his home state, there is only one relevant school, and he knows that's OSU.
Can we all please show this poster a little more respect , he has not said anything derogatory at all and everything he has said is factual except Cronin having the hardest rebuilding job.
If we get CO fantastic and lets leave it at that.
If we get CO fantastic and lets leave it at that.
billthetruth
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I wholeheartedly disagree with you here.
Go back and read his posts, he made unfounded comments about Lavin being shady a few pages back, no need for that here!!! He is trying to start an argument.
Let him go back to his own board.
1. Is Cincy really being compared with NYC? That's not even comparable. NYC is a tier one GLOBALLY known city that is the center of American culture, finance, fashion, etc. Cincy is more like a tier three city. Other tier ones are such as: LA and Chicago. I consider tier two's to be more like Houston, St. Louis, New Orleans, etc. So please don't attempt to compare apples and oranges.
2. Cincy won in 61 and 62. You are talking half a century ago...my mother wasn't even born yet and it was 25 years before I was even a cell. So enough...Cincy is not anywhere near a powerhouse...Georgetown, Nova, Notre Dame, Pitt, Cuse, etc. were almost always much better than Cincy...you are a middle of the pack team in the Big East until last year really. We also beat you...remember?
3. You will never be able to attract recruits like us with Lavin and the NYC/MSG package we can offer along with proven preparation for the NBA. We are already attracting better recruits and we aren't even good yet. Just imagine once we start being ranked again how many more recruits we will get. Just fall on your sword already.
2. Cincy won in 61 and 62. You are talking half a century ago...my mother wasn't even born yet and it was 25 years before I was even a cell. So enough...Cincy is not anywhere near a powerhouse...Georgetown, Nova, Notre Dame, Pitt, Cuse, etc. were almost always much better than Cincy...you are a middle of the pack team in the Big East until last year really. We also beat you...remember?
3. You will never be able to attract recruits like us with Lavin and the NYC/MSG package we can offer along with proven preparation for the NBA. We are already attracting better recruits and we aren't even good yet. Just imagine once we start being ranked again how many more recruits we will get. Just fall on your sword already.